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Capital Planning, FY26 Budget, and Non-Profit Policy Development

Original title: 2/10/25 - Hardwick, MA Select Board Meeting

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Date

February 10, 2025

Duration

1h 12m

Decisions

7 recorded

Action Items

16 assigned

Summary

The Hardwick Select Board meeting on February 10, 2025, addressed critical town operations, including the appointment of an Interim Treasurer Collector and an initial review of the FY26 budget. A significant portion of the meeting focused on capital planning, with the Capital Planning Committee presenting five key recommendations covering the Gilbertville fire hydrant system, police station location, municipal building tree removal, elementary school roof and windows, and town records fireproofing. The Board also discussed and adopted a new "Town of Hardwick Pilot TPC Policy" to seek voluntary financial contributions from tax-exempt non-profits for municipal services. Other discussions included property development RFPs, records management, and staffing updates.

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Visitor Jeff Smith criticized town leadership regarding policy discussions and the Eagle Hill School pilot payment, alleging issues with past agreements and calling for a former board member's resignation.
The Planning Board announced a hearing on proposed bylaw changes for the following night, with a special town meeting to follow.
Initial review of the FY26 budget book, noting its structure, new departmental line items for transparency, and challenges due to financial constraints and unknowns.
The Capital Planning Committee presented five key recommendations: addressing the Gilbertville fire hydrant system, establishing an advisory group for the police station location, immediate removal of hazardous trees behind the municipal building, advising the Quabbin Regional School District to engage the SSBA for elementary school roof/windows, and exploring options for fireproofing town records.
Discussion on the need for a police station, considering whether to empower the existing Capital Planning Committee or form a new advisory group, with a preference for the former.
Review of town records management, noting the fireproof vault's limitations, a stalled racking system, and the need for more space and a process to discard records based on retention rules.
Preparation of a Request for Proposal (RFP) for property development, including a Land Development Agreement (LDA), with a phased approach to address one building at a time.
Extensive discussion and reading of the "Town of Hardwick Pilot TPC Policy" (Payment in Lieu of Taxes / Town Partnership Contribution Policy) aimed at securing voluntary financial contributions from tax-exempt non-profits for municipal services.
Clarification that the non-profit impact policy evaluates each non-profit individually based on quantifiable services provided by town departments, not hypothetical needs or general event security.
Updates on town operations, including phone system transition, Town Hall projects, FY26 budget compilation, staffing vacancies, police union contract negotiations, and the completion of the Story Map project.
Recognition of the Ware Fire and Police Departments for their response to a fire and an officer injury, and Tina Grzauska for her work in the Treasurer/Collector's office.
Scheduling of a manager's training session for department heads and an advocacy meeting at Eagle Hill School with legislators regarding Quabbinville legislation.

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The pledge allegiance stes America for it stands Nation God indivisible liy and justice for all thank you everybody any visitor
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Comments my name is Jeff Smith I live on upper Church Street this will be the seventh meeting where this policy pilot policy is discussed it's been incredibly annoying and shameful to watch how some of our town leadership has consu conducted
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Themselves in this process many of the select board and finance committee members have attended these meetings without having fully read the policy the questions they asked in the meetings betrayed any notion of preparedness thoughtfulness or fairness they even tried to subvert the process by attemp
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An unannounced vote on a half-baked policy sub substitute policy during a workshop meeting instead of acting in good faith to amend the proposed policy Mr volheim was on this very board from 2001 to 2013 he openly opposes written agendas and meeting minutes and he describes himself as an
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Anarchist it's virtually impossible to find out the details of how this board operated during his tenure during most as most of those meetings have no recorded minutes at all and 2005 the town assessor put forward a written recommendation for computing a fair pilot payment for Eagle Hill school that
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Would have potentially brought in nearly $1 million a year for the town Services instead Mr volheim is proud to of the verbal agreement he had with PJ McDonald which lacked oversight or accountability to this day he still has not answered my public information request regarding the specifics of that
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Agreement and there's no evidence any payments were ever made until after the current written agreement was finally put in place in 2014 upon a fair reading of the 2014 pilot agreement with eagle Hill School it quickly becomes evident that it was extremely one-sided entirely benefiting

[00:00:03] the pledge [00:00:05] allegiance stes [00:00:07] America for it stands Nation God [00:00:12] indivisible liy and justice for all [00:00:16] thank you [00:00:18] everybody any visitor [00:00:23] comments my name is Jeff Smith I live on [00:00:26] upper Church Street [00:00:31] this will be the seventh meeting where [00:00:33] this policy pilot policy is [00:00:36] discussed it's been incredibly annoying [00:00:38] and shameful to watch how some of our [00:00:40] town leadership has consu conducted [00:00:42] themselves in this process many of the [00:00:45] select board and finance committee [00:00:46] members have attended these meetings [00:00:48] without having fully read the policy the [00:00:51] questions they asked in the meetings [00:00:53] betrayed any notion of preparedness [00:00:55] thoughtfulness or fairness they even [00:00:57] tried to subvert the process by attemp [00:01:00] an unannounced vote on a half-baked [00:01:02] policy sub substitute policy during a [00:01:05] workshop meeting instead of acting in [00:01:06] good faith to amend the proposed [00:01:08] policy Mr volheim was on this very board [00:01:11] from 2001 to [00:01:13] 2013 he openly opposes written agendas [00:01:16] and meeting minutes and he describes [00:01:17] himself as an [00:01:19] anarchist it's virtually impossible to [00:01:21] find out the details of how this board [00:01:23] operated during his tenure during most [00:01:26] as most of those meetings have no [00:01:27] recorded minutes at all and 2005 the [00:01:30] town assessor put forward a written [00:01:32] recommendation for computing a fair [00:01:34] pilot payment for Eagle Hill school that [00:01:37] would have potentially brought in nearly [00:01:39] $1 million a year for the town [00:01:42] Services instead Mr volheim is proud to [00:01:45] of the verbal agreement he had with PJ [00:01:47] McDonald which lacked oversight or [00:01:50] accountability to this day he still has [00:01:52] not answered my public information [00:01:54] request regarding the specifics of that [00:01:56] agreement and there's no evidence any [00:01:57] payments were ever made until after the [00:01:59] current written agreement was finally [00:02:01] put in place in [00:02:03] 2014 upon a fair reading of the 2014 [00:02:07] pilot agreement with eagle Hill School [00:02:08] it quickly becomes evident that it was [00:02:11] extremely one-sided entirely benefiting [00:02:13] Eagle Hill School even with that [00:02:16] Advantage the CFO at Eagle Hill School [00:02:18] decided the Assessor's computations were [00:02:20] incorrect In FAL year 2022 and udil [00:02:24] unilaterally reduced the pilot payment [00:02:26] that Year to $116,000 in order to claw [00:02:29] back p overpayments to the town [00:02:31] according to his [00:02:33] computations notably that same year [00:02:35] Eagle Hill School paid their top two [00:02:37] employees over $1 million in in Combined [00:02:40] compensation because Eagle Hill School [00:02:42] didn't seek approval from the select [00:02:45] board in writing for the terms of their [00:02:46] own agreement for the reduced payments [00:02:49] that pilot agreement should now be [00:02:50] considered to be in breach and should be [00:02:52] entirely [00:02:54] renegotiate I have no confidence in Mr [00:02:56] volheim to be a constructive part of [00:02:58] this process and in my opinion [00:03:00] Mr volheim should save the entire town a [00:03:02] lot of trouble and resign from all Town [00:03:04] positions effective [00:03:06] immediately he cost the town quite [00:03:09] enough the problems that our town is [00:03:11] currently dealing with did not arrive [00:03:13] overnight instead they are due to the [00:03:16] results of Decades of incompetence [00:03:18] misfeasance and malfeasance one could [00:03:20] fairly call this management CR by crisis [00:03:23] and the good old boys club all right [00:03:25] I've had enough there are plenty of [00:03:26] problems regarding deals with eagle I've [00:03:29] had enough I've heard enough you can [00:03:31] have a [00:03:32] seat you're not going to sit there and [00:03:34] Bash the boy on my [00:03:36] time thank you thank [00:03:39] you any other visitor [00:03:43] comments bill just a reminder that [00:03:45] tomorrow night Tuesday at the townhous [00:03:47] in hardick uh the planning board's [00:03:50] holding a hearing on the proposed bylaw [00:03:51] changes and one new bylaw don't expect a [00:03:55] big meeting but everyone's welcome it's [00:03:57] a and then following that the board will [00:04:00] be [00:04:01] incorporating uh perhaps some new ideas [00:04:04] based on the hearing and then we'll [00:04:06] schedule a uh a special town meeting um [00:04:09] sometime in a month or so is that here [00:04:11] or did you say the town house sorry the [00:04:13] townhous off off the common 6 6:30 6:30 [00:04:17] p.m. so the townhouse at 6:30 right and [00:04:20] that's for the hearing thank [00:04:28] you anyone else [00:04:33] else all right new business appoint [00:04:36] Justine as interim treasur collector um [00:04:39] so we are going through some staffing [00:04:41] changes right now um our treasure [00:04:43] collector has resigned um we are working [00:04:46] with Sarah Hunter from Mass mifen um [00:04:49] Hardwick resident a former treasure [00:04:51] collector in the town of Hardwick who [00:04:53] has been helping us out getting us [00:04:54] straight [00:04:55] away um with a lot of our financials but [00:04:58] there needs to be a town employee um [00:05:00] that is bondable and able to sign [00:05:02] certain documents um because Sarah is um [00:05:05] a consultant for us um no extra [00:05:08] compensation no nothing it is just [00:05:09] simply um to get us through this interim [00:05:12] period until we can um secure a [00:05:13] permanent treasure [00:05:16] collector any questions so it's really [00:05:18] just a signatory thing yeah and helping [00:05:22] out as needed but yeah it's temporary we [00:05:26] yes I do not want to be the treasure [00:05:27] collector no I get that [00:05:31] take a [00:05:32] motion I move that we appoint [00:05:37] Justine goo to interim Treasurer [00:05:41] collector I'll second all those in favor [00:05:45] I and Sarah is [00:05:52] here so I don't know if anyone remembers [00:05:55] Sarah but this is Sarah Hunter she'll be [00:05:57] helping us out until we can uh obviously [00:06:00] post for the position and find somebody [00:06:02] so if anyone wants to come say hi while [00:06:05] she's here she'll be here sporadically [00:06:07] in office but helping remotely as well [00:06:09] so thank you there's some seats right up [00:06:13] front [00:06:15] here okay uh first look at the budget um [00:06:20] so you will see at your place there is [00:06:22] um the FY 26 uh budget book um each [00:06:27] department has its own section [00:06:29] as you will notice there is a you'll see [00:06:32] a few couple years back um and then [00:06:34] you'll see the department recommendation [00:06:36] or Department request my recommendation [00:06:38] and then a space for the select board [00:06:40] and finance committee once we get to [00:06:41] that part [00:06:44] um so my goal for these books is after [00:06:49] town meeting every year I'll will [00:06:50] collect them from the board members [00:06:51] finance committee as well and then we'll [00:06:53] recyle them every year because all of [00:06:54] the Departments will um still be the [00:06:57] same um and that way every year the fin [00:06:59] commun like work can have um a packet to [00:07:03] get them through to town meeting um [00:07:06] something that I want to note is you [00:07:08] know I did go through with our [00:07:09] accountant I did go through our um chart [00:07:11] of accounts so there actually is a [00:07:13] couple new departments that weren't um [00:07:16] that weren't there in the past like we [00:07:18] have a a municipal office building now [00:07:21] department um there was just a some line [00:07:23] items that were in some random spots and [00:07:25] I just thought for transparency and for [00:07:27] organization that we could clean them up [00:07:29] um the select board have has their own [00:07:32] Department obviously but now we also [00:07:33] have a CH administrator um Department as [00:07:36] well um and been working really closely [00:07:38] with the accountant and the assessor um [00:07:41] so here that's just you [00:07:43] know an introduction to what we've been [00:07:46] doing this [00:07:48] far well at some point will the [00:07:50] spreadsheet go in here of the entire [00:07:52] budget with to show where we where we [00:07:55] stand and yes there are so many unknowns [00:07:58] right now um [00:08:01] Insurance [00:08:02] schools um it's good to see that at any [00:08:05] given point right so if that I can [00:08:07] provide that okay I know I'm sure right [00:08:10] now it doesn't looks like we [00:08:12] probably have to do some work on it but [00:08:14] even just to see that and then to see [00:08:16] how we progress with trying to get there [00:08:19] yes and I have I had a call last week as [00:08:21] Pathfinder um so I have been you know [00:08:23] working to try to get some solid numbers [00:08:26] um cuz I do just have like um a certain [00:08:28] percentage in there as a place ER for [00:08:30] for right now um it's really tough we [00:08:33] are really Bare Bones um there are [00:08:36] places where the cuts were made you'll [00:08:37] see my recommendation however we are [00:08:40] really Bare Bones um and I just think [00:08:43] it's important to remember there [00:08:45] um we need to make sure our departments [00:08:48] have their tools to be successful right [00:08:50] but when we're this Bare Bones and we're [00:08:51] not bringing in you know revenue or [00:08:53] other things it's just we are we are in [00:08:56] a tough spot yeah [00:08:59] budget season's always [00:09:02] fun well thank you for this this is [00:09:05] great we'll we're meeting with fincom in [00:09:07] March yes um so I already so finance [00:09:10] committee has yes in March um finance [00:09:13] committee did have a meeting I did [00:09:15] attend that meeting they did have some [00:09:16] questions um they are meeting with the [00:09:18] police department highway department and [00:09:20] fire department um at some subsequent [00:09:23] meetings I don't know the dates off the [00:09:24] top of my head um but yeah then the [00:09:26] select board and finance committee will [00:09:28] have a joint meeting in March I have a [00:09:30] meeting with um the chair of the finance [00:09:31] committee on Friday so we are working [00:09:34] hand in hand perfect thank you any [00:09:37] anyone have any questions about that no [00:09:40] okay uh Capital planning committee [00:09:43] that's me okay you want to come up yeah [00:09:46] sure come on [00:09:49] up I'll just take the seat right here so [00:09:51] we can yeah um this is our third meeting [00:09:55] with this board of select men the second [00:09:58] select board I should say and uh the [00:10:00] purpose of this is to give you an update [00:10:02] of where we are and what we're going to [00:10:03] do uh this will be the first year that [00:10:05] we um since we've got our group back [00:10:10] together where we'll have a [00:10:11] responsibility to report to the town uh [00:10:14] at the annual report and give them some [00:10:16] recommendations of where we're going [00:10:18] so what we did was we we we have a five [00:10:23] items that we would like to talk to you [00:10:25] about and just let you know about them [00:10:27] and from there if you have questions [00:10:30] um we can either schedule another [00:10:31] meeting some other time I don't want to [00:10:33] take up the meeting just going over the [00:10:35] details but um I think it's important [00:10:38] that we go the capital planning [00:10:40] committee goes to the town saying not [00:10:43] what we'd like to see it's what we are [00:10:45] going to be doing so that so that give [00:10:48] you this little heads up of what we're [00:10:50] thinking and then maybe there's some [00:10:52] kind of a action that we can take and we [00:10:54] made some recommendations here what what [00:10:56] could be done between now and the annual [00:10:58] town meeting so if you want I'll give [00:11:00] you the five and I'll try to paraphrase [00:11:02] it as quickly as [00:11:05] possible so um we uh on February 2nd we [00:11:10] we voted unanimously for these five [00:11:13] recommendations um coincidentally the [00:11:16] first and foremost is the Gilbertville [00:11:18] fire hydrant system uh the hydrant [00:11:21] systems source of water is a 750,000 [00:11:24] gallon sistern commonly known as green [00:11:26] waters located on the side of dual [00:11:28] Mountain [00:11:30] the sistern has a serious drop in [00:11:32] capacity likely due to a fir man leak [00:11:34] and the fire department has been [00:11:35] intervening when levels are critically [00:11:37] low by routinely pumping river water [00:11:40] back up to the system uh not only does [00:11:43] this compromise the effectiveness of the [00:11:45] hydrant system but also uh this hydrant [00:11:48] system is the source of a of sprinkler [00:11:51] systems for three commercial residential [00:11:54] Enterprises in Gilbertville something [00:11:55] that we didn't know until we started [00:11:57] digging into it um the the Joslin Road U [00:12:01] sstn also supplies uh water uh sprinkler [00:12:07] water to the Salem's old the Salem [00:12:10] building uh the other three buildings on [00:12:13] this side of the on the other side of [00:12:14] the river is being supplied by the [00:12:17] system that's really in trouble right [00:12:19] now so I just to inter I don't mean to [00:12:22] interrupt just to pause is that that we [00:12:26] have someone coming out on Friday to [00:12:28] evaluate yeah for the leak yeah right [00:12:31] okay yeah okay so we just want to make [00:12:34] sure that the understanding is that the [00:12:36] current method of pumping water to [00:12:37] replenish the loss of the sister is very [00:12:40] inefficient presents a risk of limited [00:12:42] capacity in case of an emergency uh the [00:12:44] sister has not been full the entire year [00:12:48] uh year of 2024 so just combined with [00:12:51] the issue of several hydrants and I [00:12:52] believe there are eight hydrants that [00:12:54] are not uh currently serviceable in the [00:12:57] system and there were four 46 46 46 [00:13:01] total eight of which don't work G in [00:13:03] Gilbertville right um we just recommend [00:13:06] that the town assign responsibility to [00:13:08] the appropriate entity and make a [00:13:09] resolution of this situation number one [00:13:12] I think yeah and I think I'm hoping that [00:13:14] when we report back to the town we fixed [00:13:17] it so it'll be our number one [00:13:19] recommendation which means that at this [00:13:21] stage if you need money the finance [00:13:23] committee will get our report the [00:13:25] finance committee will have already [00:13:27] Capital planning would have already [00:13:28] approved it committee would already have [00:13:30] approved it and it's it's and whoever is [00:13:32] the responsible Authority that's that's [00:13:34] how that works Madam chair y um and we [00:13:36] also like we've talked about in previous [00:13:38] meetings we received money uh from the [00:13:41] state uh we received money for three hyr [00:13:43] placements we have the parts uh we are [00:13:46] just waiting for them to get [00:13:48] repaired so that would bring us down to [00:13:50] five that's still with [00:13:52] need yeah and some of those and some of [00:13:54] those don't need to be replaced they [00:13:55] just need to be fixed so you know I [00:13:57] don't I don't know how much cost yeah [00:14:00] but I think the the big problem is if [00:14:01] there is a leak between in the main and [00:14:04] it's dropping anywhere from 25 or 30 [00:14:07] gallons per minute it doesn't take long [00:14:09] for that sister to empty out and we put [00:14:13] some uh interim things in there to be [00:14:15] able to measure the level and to know [00:14:17] how many gallons of water the system has [00:14:19] so if there was a fire or there was a [00:14:21] need uh we would be covered at least we [00:14:24] if the fire chief knows how much water [00:14:26] is in his sister then he knows how much [00:14:28] water he's got the to play [00:14:30] with um the second recommendation [00:14:33] regards the police station so the police [00:14:35] department currently located and in and [00:14:38] shared with new brain tree was intended [00:14:40] as a short-term means of addressing the [00:14:42] loss of the municipal building as home [00:14:44] to this community's police station while [00:14:47] engineering plans and purchasing of [00:14:49] property at the old streer facility on [00:14:51] the lower Road were completed it has [00:14:53] been 9 years with no action to advance [00:14:55] this initiative we suggest the town or [00:14:59] or the select board create an Advisory [00:15:01] Group to make recommendations on how to [00:15:03] proceed with the location and Logistics [00:15:06] on how to and where to locate the police [00:15:08] department uh we would recommend that [00:15:11] The Advisory Board include uh select [00:15:13] board members finance committee members [00:15:15] Capital planning committee planning [00:15:17] board Police Department representative [00:15:19] and maybe even an ad hoc citizen or or [00:15:22] two uh this committee should be charged [00:15:25] with making a recommendation to the [00:15:27] select board in 100 days or less an [00:15:30] action be taken to proceed with or [00:15:32] modify whatever recommendation is made [00:15:35] and further Advance the process in an [00:15:37] expeditious [00:15:39] manner third [00:15:42] one tree removal behind Municipal [00:15:46] Building town-owned property behind the [00:15:48] municipal building has several large [00:15:50] trees that present a risk to the [00:15:51] municipal building and to the personnel [00:15:53] and visitors that frequent it we suggest [00:15:56] that responsibility be assigned to the [00:15:58] appropriate town [00:15:59] entity and efforts be made to [00:16:01] immediately remove the trees and assess [00:16:04] the condition of the retaining wall [00:16:06] behind the municipal building at the [00:16:08] same time thought we were working on [00:16:10] that don't mind um so we did get again [00:16:13] another a mar from the state and part of [00:16:15] that $50,000 we're getting quotes to [00:16:17] remove the trees I don't know anything [00:16:18] about a retaining wall but we are [00:16:19] getting quotes to remove the trees in [00:16:22] the spring there's lots of people that [00:16:24] lots of companies that could remove [00:16:25] those and there's probably some [00:16:26] commercial value in some of those trees [00:16:29] and I understand now that U the Stone [00:16:31] Church is going about the same research [00:16:34] to to find somebody to remove those [00:16:35] trees because their insurance company [00:16:38] has made it clear to them that the [00:16:39] steeple is it's a hazard to the steeple [00:16:42] so it's it's good timing to be able to [00:16:45] address all of this at once and we own [00:16:48] the property all the way up to Birch [00:16:49] Street so access to those trees should [00:16:52] be pretty easy and again that the money [00:16:55] would you know the capital planning says [00:16:56] spend it if it's if it covers up [00:16:59] it'll go back to the uh finance [00:17:01] committee to be it sounds like we have [00:17:02] to get three quotes but you don't know [00:17:04] where you're going to get the money all [00:17:06] I'm saying is we have grand money I got [00:17:09] for that provide yeah okay good great [00:17:11] that with the hydrons is what for [00:17:14] um Hardwick elementary school last year [00:17:17] we were informed by the cabin Regional [00:17:19] school committee that the 28-year-old [00:17:21] roof of Hardwick Elementary School needs [00:17:24] repair and replacement the capital [00:17:26] planning committee uh toward the school [00:17:28] to assess the situation and indeed it [00:17:30] needs replacement uh in the next 2 years [00:17:34] while touring the school was also [00:17:35] pointed out the windows of the school [00:17:37] are also at the end of their life expect [00:17:39] expectancy and they no longer provide an [00:17:42] efficient energy barrier having lost [00:17:44] their two pain [00:17:45] Effectiveness we will stay in touch [00:17:48] that's the capital planning we stay in [00:17:50] touch with the cap uh Quin Regional [00:17:51] School District on this situation and [00:17:54] advise them to begin the process of [00:17:56] notifying the state school building [00:17:58] authority of these needs the state [00:18:01] school building authority oversees [00:18:02] engineering project management and Grant [00:18:05] application so early intervention is to [00:18:08] the town's Advantage as significant [00:18:11] grant money is available with some [00:18:13] smaller portion of community matching [00:18:16] required Capital planning fe uh [00:18:18] committee feels that uh compelled to [00:18:20] advise the town in advance and suggest [00:18:23] that plans should be in place to finance [00:18:24] this endeavor as we approach this in the [00:18:27] next year or two again something doesn't [00:18:30] have to be done it's on it's nice to [00:18:32] have little Advan notice instead of [00:18:34] having an emergency every time that's [00:18:37] had enough of [00:18:38] that uh fireproofing Town records the [00:18:41] town record keeping is somewhat uh [00:18:43] organized but it by no means is [00:18:46] protected from flood or fire damage [00:18:48] records such as Maps easements and other [00:18:50] ton documents some going back to the [00:18:53] 1800s many of which are irre [00:18:56] irreplaceable and are at risk uh our [00:18:59] select board is responsible for [00:19:01] providing safekeeping of town records [00:19:03] which is mandated by Massachusetts State [00:19:05] Law chapter 66 the capital planning [00:19:08] committee has advised the town clerk to [00:19:10] proceed with exploring options for [00:19:12] storage and provide plans and cost [00:19:14] estimates for protecting such Town [00:19:16] records and after doing so provide the [00:19:19] relative information to start the [00:19:20] capital appropriation Madam chair yeah [00:19:24] um because we we were kind of worried [00:19:27] about this year for Town Hall and the [00:19:28] hydrants next year I was going to uh [00:19:30] work for next fiscal year FY 26 I was [00:19:33] going to work with the legislators to [00:19:35] legislators to um get another ear Mark [00:19:37] for the fireproof Hotel records and I [00:19:40] feel like we did something a couple [00:19:42] years back with Ryan yeah it has to do [00:19:46] with what's stored upstairs not what's [00:19:48] stored downstairs okay I'm thinking of [00:19:51] thinking of what hee cuz we we gave him [00:19:54] some money for for something so this [00:19:56] came from him to us so [00:20:00] this this is just the all of these by [00:20:02] the way were brought to us by other [00:20:03] boards of [00:20:05] Department um the I'm going to give this [00:20:08] for your records but the final page of [00:20:10] this report which is what the framework [00:20:12] for what capital planning is going to [00:20:14] tell found in report is a list of 28 [00:20:17] Capital requests that we have pretty [00:20:21] detailed list um we put it into a [00:20:24] five-year grid we really just pulled [00:20:27] some numbers out of the Hat and we're [00:20:29] going to start working on organizing [00:20:31] this list so that we'll be have [00:20:32] something far more effective when we get [00:20:35] to the town meeting but at this stage of [00:20:37] the game this is a really good road map [00:20:40] for Grants I mean if you've got if [00:20:43] you've got somebody that's working on [00:20:44] grants that's where you want to look at [00:20:47] these things here if it's on this list [00:20:49] it's important because somebody in town [00:20:50] has thought it was okay we didn't put [00:20:52] any of these on the list these came from [00:20:54] other dep from departments yeah I [00:20:56] remember you asking all the Departments [00:20:58] so anyhow the only um somewhere along [00:21:01] the line I think in this in final [00:21:03] comments and just I just paraphrase this [00:21:05] it's a dynamic list many you know many [00:21:07] items are going to move around and move [00:21:09] out new items will definitely come um we [00:21:12] think this might be a good road mapap [00:21:14] for Grant uh Grant application if we see [00:21:17] anything in the budget where we can find [00:21:19] some Grant Services money put aside that [00:21:22] would be the right thing to do now [00:21:24] because this list is just size we apply [00:21:27] didn't we put in for a wrer yeah for FY [00:21:30] 26 right okay we're still waiting we [00:21:34] don't report we did dently work on this [00:21:38] will get this will one for Justine too [00:21:40] thank you and we'll get this you know [00:21:42] obviously this is what we're thinking [00:21:44] we're going to take the next two months [00:21:46] to finalize this and then give a report [00:21:48] to the town but anything that gets done [00:21:50] in advance we'll just make look make it [00:21:52] look like we're working together to try [00:21:54] to make the town a better [00:21:56] place that's all I have thank [00:22:02] okay okay any other comments on [00:22:05] that we should think about the U uh not [00:22:10] to set up another [00:22:11] committee unthinkingly but the police [00:22:14] station is stuck and we need to think of [00:22:18] something to do about that isn't that [00:22:21] what the capital planning committe does [00:22:23] that's what the capital planning [00:22:24] committee does and says that this is [00:22:26] important right but they also [00:22:29] o lineup projects engineer drawings [00:22:33] stuff like that so wouldn't that fall in [00:22:35] the same wheelhouse it's Capital [00:22:37] planning committee well the select board [00:22:38] doesn't want to set up a blue ribbon [00:22:40] committee for this then it'll devolve to [00:22:43] the capital planning [00:22:45] committee well just I'm just asking the [00:22:48] question because it seems like it's [00:22:49] redundant the roles and [00:22:52] responsibilities my we kind of thought [00:22:55] it would be tricky enough so far it's [00:22:58] been very complicated getting through it [00:23:01] but [00:23:02] okay I mean I like the fact that there's [00:23:05] someone from the planning board or [00:23:07] Master planning committee obviously a [00:23:10] police [00:23:11] representative M at [00:23:13] large [00:23:14] just I can add to that just we it's [00:23:18] we're just trying to get some ad [00:23:20] advocacy going on this thing so the most [00:23:23] important part is that we we we say yeah [00:23:25] let's put let's let's put ourselves on a [00:23:27] deadline of 100 days just to figure out [00:23:30] what does the police department uh look [00:23:33] like yeah 5 years from now and how do we [00:23:36] build a road map to get there yeah are [00:23:39] we just to touch on that so myself and [00:23:43] Mr Fleming we worked together and we met [00:23:45] with um Congressman M govern's office [00:23:47] cuz we wanted at least put it on their [00:23:49] radar too um so they did give us some [00:23:51] options um we are again we're just [00:23:53] waiting for like their pool of money to [00:23:55] open up um I really think before a [00:23:59] committee is set up that we should talk [00:24:00] to the police department and like the [00:24:02] police chief lieutenant and just kind of [00:24:03] see where their heads at um that's just [00:24:05] my two sons um but I mean I if the [00:24:09] capital planning committee wants to work [00:24:11] on some of it too I think that I I I [00:24:14] don't I just don't know if I see another [00:24:16] benefit of adding another committee yeah [00:24:18] I just I I mean I get it committee on [00:24:20] top of committee on top of committee so [00:24:22] let's let's see what McGovern's office [00:24:25] comes up with and have a conversation [00:24:27] with want to have that conversation with [00:24:30] by the way the police department we [00:24:31] we've shared this with you already so [00:24:33] it's nothing new to them yeah okay do [00:24:36] did I miss any anything you want that [00:24:38] you think I we should add Eric no but I [00:24:41] just I might suggest if you didn't want [00:24:43] to do another committee you could just [00:24:45] empower the uh Capital plan committee to [00:24:48] do that with the ability to bring [00:24:50] in uh somebody from the [00:24:53] PD um maybe another ad hoc it could be [00:24:57] sort of a subcommittee of the Capital [00:24:59] plan oh sorry I meant our meeting if you [00:25:01] if there was anything you thought that [00:25:02] the board should know about our meeting [00:25:04] no I don't think so it's they they're on [00:25:07] board it's just all matter ofing timing [00:25:10] yeah I don't I don't hate the idea of [00:25:12] what Eric just said kind of like a [00:25:14] subcommittee mhm as opposed to one more [00:25:18] committee sure that that once like [00:25:20] something exciting is done then there's [00:25:22] no members on it and you're searching [00:25:24] for people to fill it whereas if you [00:25:26] just had meetings that were spefic [00:25:28] specifically maybe for this cause and [00:25:30] then you call in those you know exactly [00:25:33] I think that was the whole purpose of [00:25:34] that recommendation was to make sure [00:25:35] that we separated from the the [00:25:38] activities that the capital planning [00:25:40] committee has really here for this needs [00:25:43] to have some Community involvement and [00:25:45] that gave you the opportunity to say [00:25:47] just keep doing what you're doing or do [00:25:49] it a different way that's that's your [00:25:51] prerogative we're just advis I think I [00:25:53] like the subcommittee idea like not to [00:25:56] add to more me committees yeah yeah I [00:25:59] think go ahead Liz um the so probably [00:26:04] the board does not know but for [00:26:06] approximately the last decade my sister [00:26:08] and I were The Keeper of the record room [00:26:11] um The Vault downstairs is fireproof um [00:26:15] I if people keep the door closed okay [00:26:18] which has been a problem that you know [00:26:20] notoriously people have not kept the [00:26:22] door closed um I don't know how many [00:26:24] years ago um there was a new racking [00:26:27] system put in there so that um records [00:26:30] could be sorted then I it happened [00:26:32] during the co thing we never got around [00:26:34] to sorting everything by department down [00:26:38] in that Vault however there is a lot of [00:26:41] space in that Vault for certain records [00:26:44] to come down from upstairs um such as [00:26:48] payroll records the things that have to [00:26:50] be kept um that are on the state's list [00:26:53] of of you know what has to be kept but [00:26:56] there's a fair amount of of of room down [00:26:59] in there now with the new racking system [00:27:01] that uh a lot of those records can be [00:27:04] protected um but there isn't enough [00:27:06] space to protect everything one other [00:27:09] thing that we got from our discussions [00:27:11] with the town clerk was that there's a [00:27:13] lot of record retention rules that they [00:27:16] could apply so maybe half that stuff [00:27:19] upstairs might be thrown out because [00:27:21] they're no longer needed so I want you [00:27:23] kind of pair that down and you know [00:27:25] what's critical to save and what's [00:27:27] what's not CRI we were we were in the [00:27:29] process of we had gotten through all of [00:27:32] the old records and we were um there [00:27:35] were certain departments who Jen she [00:27:38] says please don't throw this out there [00:27:40] were some other ones from the treasur [00:27:41] and The Collector that said please don't [00:27:42] throw these out so um those were being [00:27:45] retained we were just about getting to [00:27:48] the point where we can start with a this [00:27:50] like a 3 to 5 year retention we were and [00:27:53] then Co happened and um now I don't have [00:27:56] access to the room so I can't go in [00:27:58] there and uh I know it became a Dumping [00:28:01] Ground for Junk during Co so um I would [00:28:05] have to go in there and try to figure [00:28:07] out what's going [00:28:09] on okay did I see B thank you I'm back [00:28:12] to the police station needs for a [00:28:14] minute I wonder if along the way to [00:28:17] seeing what might solve that problem [00:28:20] there'll also be consideration of [00:28:22] the health care facility need and even [00:28:25] the fire department and some sort of [00:28:27] public safety Public Safety complex [00:28:30] sometimes have gone that way with brands [00:28:32] from more than one place I don't know [00:28:34] whether it would be lovely if we could [00:28:36] get for together yeah yeah I mean so I [00:28:39] hope someone from healthc care task [00:28:42] force or whatever part of this I think [00:28:44] when we reach out to places like that [00:28:46] it's always probably that's our Dream [00:28:49] would be you [00:28:51] know a public safety complex so then we [00:28:55] have to go from there [00:29:02] okay uh VAC cancy on the page Memorial [00:29:05] Library Board of Trustees we got a [00:29:08] letter from [00:29:10] Ryan asking us to give the okay to put [00:29:14] that on the [00:29:15] upcoming [00:29:17] election um due to James Barn um [00:29:22] resigning yes [00:29:24] manam so we just they have to he comes [00:29:28] to us and then we say yes we'll allow [00:29:30] that to go on the ballot for the May [00:29:33] election well the 2025 annual election [00:29:36] that expired term a term expiring 2026 [00:29:39] so it would just be for the [00:29:42] year I'd like to move that we do that [00:29:45] I'll second all in favor I [00:29:49] I [00:29:51] okay uh discussion on the C page [00:29:55] building [00:30:01] do we [00:30:03] have have we heard back on an RFP um so [00:30:07] I am still working on that I did uh talk [00:30:10] to Katherine Klein from kpwa uh she did [00:30:13] um she did provide a what the heck was [00:30:16] it called a Land Development agreement [00:30:18] that we talked about would be a good [00:30:19] idea um so I still have to put together [00:30:21] the full RFP with the Land Development [00:30:24] stuff so that will be on the agenda for [00:30:26] the next meeting okay okay so um and I [00:30:30] will say that um as we're moving through [00:30:34] these motions we are definitely only [00:30:37] going to be looking at one building at a [00:30:39] time Liz just to give you we want to see [00:30:43] this process through to see what it is [00:30:46] and how we can navigate it before we [00:30:49] consider any of the other properties so [00:30:51] just so everyone has a heads up um [00:30:53] that's what we decided at our last [00:30:55] meeting that we would kind of take this [00:30:57] slowly and you know work with this group [00:30:59] so um bear with us we are working on it [00:31:03] and hopefully so the 24th um you think [00:31:07] we'd have the RFP done done and ready to [00:31:10] ready ready to roll okay and the RFP [00:31:14] requires go ahead go ahead um requires [00:31:18] us to fill it in or are you filling it [00:31:20] in and we're signing it is it a so it [00:31:23] would be a request so it would be a [00:31:25] request for proposal and it will spell [00:31:27] out what we're looking for from you so [00:31:29] it would be like the one from 2019 that [00:31:32] similar but tweet yes with the Land [00:31:35] Development agreement to and then we' [00:31:37] have a certain amount of time to get it [00:31:38] back to you correct and at that [00:31:40] point then we would vote on yep and you [00:31:43] know if anyone else wanted to you know [00:31:46] submit an our they could um and then we [00:31:50] would look at them it would be like a [00:31:51] bid opening right is that so it would be [00:31:53] you know a public bid opening however [00:31:55] many came um you know we would then [00:31:59] approach it one one second I just want [00:32:01] to finish answering um and then we would [00:32:03] go from there similar to the last R [00:32:06] correct just put out there yes whoever [00:32:08] filled it in correct and turned it in [00:32:11] okay yeah yes could just asked for a [00:32:14] clarification you're developing an [00:32:16] RFI for request for information or [00:32:18] you're actually requesting bids [00:32:20] proposals correct so okay so you're [00:32:23] putting out for actual proposals with [00:32:25] budgets correct okay yes what is listed [00:32:28] in the proposal I we haven't seen it yet [00:32:30] so I can't I can't say exactly what's in [00:32:33] it so you're looking for RFP you're [00:32:34] going to put out an RP and you're [00:32:36] looking for responses correct okay for [00:32:38] that one building right for one building [00:32:40] yeah no no I got that I'm just I'm [00:32:42] looking at the flow of information here [00:32:44] yeah okay Liz well can I have some [00:32:46] clarification because we're on the [00:32:48] agenda for the next meeting recing right [00:32:50] so again that may get pushed off that's [00:32:53] why I'm saying bear with us as we [00:32:56] navigate through this we're going to [00:32:58] tackle one building at a time to see how [00:33:00] it goes the question I have is what are [00:33:02] we talking on a time frame because I [00:33:05] can't tell you that I don't we're we're [00:33:07] trying to work through this one to see [00:33:09] how it goes I I don't have a timeline [00:33:11] for you I'm just I'm asking for [00:33:13] clarification because R the rfps were [00:33:16] written before on all three of the [00:33:19] buildings um [00:33:21] the they were ready to be go going out [00:33:24] years ago okay there shouldn't be [00:33:28] anything different on an it is gonna be [00:33:31] different yes it is yeah but I'm saying [00:33:33] is the the bones of them should are [00:33:36] relatively simple you know where where [00:33:39] they're all being they're all being [00:33:41] looked at I mean and again we're [00:33:42] starting with one so we're not even [00:33:44] jumping the gun yet or any of the other [00:33:46] I'm I'm asking for clarification because [00:33:48] I'm looking at a time frame because I [00:33:50] don't have that answer for you I don't [00:33:52] if you put out an RFP how long are you [00:33:54] going to be asking for a time frame to [00:33:57] have proposal come back and how long is [00:33:59] the they that all going to be worked [00:34:01] through because I'm I'm I'm telling you [00:34:04] right up the center school is in dire [00:34:08] need of help immediately and has been [00:34:10] for years they all are every one of [00:34:13] these buildings are in dire need Liz [00:34:15] yeah but that one's got a hole in the [00:34:16] roof that's coming through okay they [00:34:18] they're all in dire need and so we're [00:34:20] going to do one at a time and we're [00:34:22] going to see how it goes and I'm I'm [00:34:25] just trying to be straightforward with [00:34:26] you so that you know [00:34:29] that okay do we have at least a [00:34:32] turnaround um it we at least U once the [00:34:34] board votes and I can put it out there [00:34:36] it'll be probably 3 weeks people to [00:34:39] submit know what like another two weeks [00:34:42] for the board to review it no so then we [00:34:44] um at the 3 weeks we set a date for a [00:34:46] public bid opening I'm sorry to mean no [00:34:48] that's okay you can explain it um we I [00:34:50] was going to say the same thing for a [00:34:51] public bid opening um someone from the [00:34:53] board can be can join if if you if you [00:34:55] want and then um it's kind of like a [00:34:58] rating system but I can go through all [00:35:00] of that um once we get a little bit [00:35:02] closer yeah so my question is after the [00:35:05] bid opens and you know they have their [00:35:08] plan or their intention of what they [00:35:10] want to do with the building M it comes [00:35:12] in front of this board to decide and [00:35:14] that's what I'm saying what is that [00:35:16] another two weeks after a bid opening [00:35:18] possibly whatever the next meeting is I [00:35:20] don't know what yeah just two weeks so [00:35:23] we would have the feedback from that [00:35:25] opening like you said it's like a it's [00:35:28] you know as you I me you must have gone [00:35:31] to public bid open yeah okay so they're [00:35:33] kind of they're kind of scored yeah you [00:35:35] know based on the information that we've [00:35:37] requested maybe anything else additional [00:35:39] that they've given and then we would [00:35:42] take all [00:35:43] that information and make a decision and [00:35:45] make a decision correct roughly within [00:35:47] two weeks cuz we'd have a meeting or [00:35:49] something right yeah okay that's all my [00:35:52] question okay perfect okay does that [00:35:54] answer your questions yeah [00:35:57] St yeah do do you know enough at this [00:36:00] time to say more about the purpose and [00:36:03] intent of Land Development agreement [00:36:06] adding that to the um project I wouldn't [00:36:10] feel comfortable at this point um going [00:36:12] into anything without I just got it [00:36:15] today yeah but does the board know [00:36:17] anything about this yet or no we're just [00:36:20] we're just hearing about [00:36:22] it it's it's to protect the town though [00:36:25] but I I'm not disputing right why you [00:36:28] might want it but I'm just wondering [00:36:31] what the now that you've introduced the [00:36:33] protection what is the [00:36:37] concern if it didn't go where we thought [00:36:39] it was going to go and it didn't succeed [00:36:42] that maybe the town have if this if it [00:36:44] sat there in the exact same condition [00:36:46] hypothetically for years the town would [00:36:49] have maybe the right to to take [00:36:52] the I'm not comfortable giving details [00:36:55] but something like that yeah I think [00:36:56] that's more what you know what we're [00:36:57] looking at yeah and I think you kind of [00:37:00] you guys said that if it didn't move [00:37:02] forward you know so could be done very [00:37:05] soon yeah so we're going to get there [00:37:08] okay thank you yeah you're welcome yep [00:37:11] um and oh go ahead uh is there [00:37:15] just at that second meeting if you've [00:37:18] reviewed them all and there is a [00:37:20] decision made does it then need to go to [00:37:23] attorney general's or is there other [00:37:25] steps that maybe we don't know about yet [00:37:27] that or is the that I don't know that [00:37:30] would be a question for Kathleen yeah I [00:37:34] I thought that was already asked um by [00:37:36] after of the Town Council [00:37:39] that well the town I that's what this is [00:37:43] Town Council will have to get involved [00:37:44] if the board votes for X Y and Z to [00:37:47] whatever sell at that point like there [00:37:50] Town Council would step up [00:37:52] and tell what else you need to do yeah [00:37:55] it's just like any other purchase and [00:37:56] sale agreement right MH I mean there's [00:37:58] lawyers get involved unfortunately and [00:38:01] whether we like it or not to protect [00:38:03] both of our our assets so okay all right [00:38:08] um anything else that you can any other [00:38:10] questions you can think of no [00:38:13] okay all right um the discussion and [00:38:18] vote on Plumbing Family Foundation [00:38:20] donation can I just apologize to the [00:38:22] board that I put it under old business [00:38:23] when I should have put it under new [00:38:24] business that was all in that's my fault [00:38:27] okay no worries fine okay no worries um [00:38:31] Eric if you want to so I guess it's a I [00:38:34] don't know if it's a new policy or what [00:38:35] but in order to donate money to the town [00:38:37] you got to put it out here to you guys [00:38:42] so I'm just apparently I it's always [00:38:45] been that policy but maybe sometimes it [00:38:47] just gets snuck in and we don't yeah as [00:38:50] it should [00:38:52] um so I guess we need to create two line [00:38:55] items for on the budget one [00:38:59] uh thing that I would like to try to [00:39:01] contribute to is this business of [00:39:03] fireproofing and uh [00:39:05] digitizing uh Town records um I've been [00:39:08] working with [00:39:09] Ryan uh we're looking at different um [00:39:12] pieces of equipment to do that scanners [00:39:15] whatnot um so we need a line item for [00:39:17] that haven't specified a dollar amount [00:39:20] yet but I'll throw something in there [00:39:22] the other one is [00:39:24] um the uh planning board clerk um [00:39:28] is close to maxing out the budget [00:39:32] between the zoning rewrite and some of [00:39:35] the other stuff that we've been dealing [00:39:37] with um the planning board office [00:39:39] upstairs uh is in dire need [00:39:42] of reorganization of [00:39:45] files um lenda is happy to do it she [00:39:49] just needs to get paid so I'm going to [00:39:53] throw something in that line item okay [00:39:56] um so it's up to you guys to create the [00:39:59] items and or the line items and we'll [00:40:01] make it happen I think we can just put [00:40:03] that under her under the planning for [00:40:06] board clerk item or would you feel more [00:40:09] comfortable doing two separate line [00:40:12] items definitely two separate line items [00:40:15] okay certainly for the equipment yeah no [00:40:18] that would be a separate one but I [00:40:19] didn't know with um there's already a [00:40:22] line item for um U historical document [00:40:25] restoration fund or something like that [00:40:27] Ryan knows it there's an account number [00:40:30] so maybe we could use that so we talked [00:40:32] to we talked to Lori Our Town accountant [00:40:34] and she had she had talked about putting [00:40:36] a separate um for the planning board one [00:40:38] making one separate okay [00:40:41] yeah not no grants what's that no grants [00:40:44] um you mean [00:40:47] like like something ongoing is changed [00:40:50] your mind [00:40:54] no he should do that more often [00:40:57] make it E thank you thank [00:41:00] you very [00:41:02] generous next time I'll just do it and [00:41:04] not come here how's [00:41:06] that do you guys want to vote to approve [00:41:08] his [00:41:10] yeah I move that we do the line item for [00:41:13] the equipment uh for the digitalization [00:41:16] of the [00:41:18] records and also the planning board [00:41:21] clerk I can't vote well no that's why [00:41:24] I'm adding it yeah oh good thank you [00:41:27] great any other questions or concerns [00:41:30] all in favor I or do you want to do one [00:41:32] at a time so you're not voting on [00:41:34] doesn't matter well I yeah sure so why [00:41:36] don't we just vote on the fire proofing [00:41:38] and the digital digitizing of y i so [00:41:42] move I'll second it all in favor I I and [00:41:46] now we'll vote on um the planning board [00:41:49] clerk increase in salary with the [00:41:52] donation to do this to do this work [00:41:55] digitizing the records yeah so you the [00:41:58] second so second [00:42:00] yeah and all in favor I [00:42:04] I Madam chair yep uh there was one thing [00:42:07] added to the agenda um that was posted [00:42:10] in a timely manner um but it's just not [00:42:12] in the agenda before you the uh [00:42:14] discussion to vote on Governor's Bill to [00:42:16] ratify the um that exclusion [00:42:25] perfect no [00:42:28] it was posted that when that she pred [00:42:31] just didn't have it on there that's fine [00:42:33] okay vote make a motion to uh make a [00:42:37] motion to vote on the governor's Bill [00:42:41] second all in favor I so after the [00:42:45] meeting I have a couple things for you [00:42:46] guys to sign okay perfect okay uh [00:42:50] discussion and vote on pilot policy [00:42:58] um so in your packets I attached the [00:43:00] redline version um and then I attached [00:43:02] like a kind of a cleaner version so you [00:43:04] could see them [00:43:07] both um if I missed something or got [00:43:10] something incorrect based on your last [00:43:12] meeting with the finance committee I [00:43:14] would obviously be happy to fix it but [00:43:16] at least I wanted you guys to see what [00:43:18] was moved what was taken out what was [00:43:20] changed and then I have a clean version [00:43:22] as well [00:43:29] there's no contribution structure in [00:43:31] this and I we discussed this in two [00:43:35] working meetings it was very clear and [00:43:37] we agreed on nonprofits covering their [00:43:41] impact fees to the town I actually I did [00:43:44] make copies of your um email [00:43:49] so thank [00:43:55] you so that's inst back in there I can [00:43:58] certainly add [00:43:59] it well there's nothing there's nothing [00:44:02] I thought we agreed that each the policy [00:44:06] was to [00:44:07] be just [00:44:09] a a guideline a guideline correct [00:44:12] correct and that each nonprofit would be [00:44:15] approached [00:44:16] individually right to negotiate and [00:44:19] that's why we want have a separate [00:44:21] agreement for each nonprofit but we also [00:44:25] have to have a guideline for what they [00:44:27] contributing what what is the structure [00:44:29] for and we agreed to that on like [00:44:33] emergency calls police infrastructure [00:44:35] stuff like that we didn't both in two [00:44:40] meetings I mean when we met here with [00:44:43] the [00:44:44] fincom we did pull that contribution [00:44:46] structure out of there no we requested [00:44:49] it and I didn't agree with it and I said [00:44:52] why we need it we need we need a [00:44:55] guideline [00:44:57] and we agreed on impact [00:45:01] fees being that this is all [00:45:05] voluntary M um I wouldn't have a problem [00:45:10] with anything that doesn't say [00:45:13] sh okay and just say may okay uh you [00:45:18] know I think if we make a policy that we [00:45:22] can't legally [00:45:25] enforce I don't see the reason for it [00:45:28] you know as it is nonprofits should be [00:45:31] covering their impact Feats I think [00:45:34] nonprofits do well person yet we've yet [00:45:37] to see any billing done from the town or [00:45:40] payments received arguments go around [00:45:42] that it's not all monetary correct you [00:45:45] know that there are benefits again [00:45:48] statements have been made in the public [00:45:50] that says we build these impact fees and [00:45:54] we don't and so that's why there should [00:45:56] be some structure in this [00:45:59] policy otherwise what's the point of the [00:46:02] policy if there is no structure as far [00:46:05] as money if we can agree that we're [00:46:08] going to talk to we're going to meet [00:46:10] with we're going to have relationship [00:46:12] with all of these nonprofits in all [00:46:15] their forms then I don't see a reason [00:46:18] for a policy at all well there's a [00:46:21] policy or we need a policy so things [00:46:24] aren't done like and it's it's [00:46:27] transparent it's in the public eye so [00:46:29] people can see I mean you're asking the [00:46:31] taxpayers to pay these fees but where's [00:46:34] the representative like for the [00:46:36] taxpayer you you sit there and [00:46:38] say you know there's no need for this [00:46:41] there is absolutely a need for this [00:46:44] disagree well that's your point of view [00:46:46] I know and you're fine but I I disagree [00:46:51] because we agreed in two working [00:46:53] meetings that there would be impact is [00:46:56] there would be a cont distribution [00:46:57] structure in this [00:46:59] policy I remember that structure coming [00:47:02] out I do too no you requested the very [00:47:05] first thing three and four to go and I [00:47:07] said absolutely [00:47:09] none so if we change it to may may every [00:47:15] single place that it says [00:47:17] sh okay [00:47:35] I mean the last sentence doesn't even [00:47:37] need to be in there cuz it's already in [00:47:39] there I get that [00:47:41] but but it it is it's already [00:47:46] in it's definitely already in there it's [00:47:48] it's the review and adjustment period [00:47:53] okay so we can just put a line through [00:47:55] it [00:48:00] well some of these you know impact is [00:48:01] the Public Safety Services police Fire [00:48:04] EMS road infrastructure maintenance [00:48:06] water sewer Waste Management emergency [00:48:09] and Hazard response and other direct or [00:48:11] indirect you can figure out but a lot of [00:48:14] this you can't it's going to be very [00:48:16] hard to put a value on road and [00:48:18] infrastructure maintenance there was no [00:48:20] problem in 2005 there's there's a hard [00:48:23] you know I mean obviously well and [00:48:26] that's also so why I just figured we [00:48:28] should do a revenue based like people [00:48:30] are dead set against [00:48:32] Revenue I mean the state says you know [00:48:35] they have no problem putting 3% on [00:48:37] marijuana to cover impact [00:48:40] fees that's out I don't well I'm just [00:48:43] saying let us do that because I'm just [00:48:46] saying it's an example the state has [00:48:47] already determined the state stepped in [00:48:49] and said that we can't do that because [00:48:50] we can't treat them talking about our [00:48:52] facility right here I'm talking about [00:48:54] overall there's a still a 3% we can't [00:48:57] treat them any differently than anyone [00:48:59] else in town that's why they Chang right [00:49:01] you can't make them buy things and say [00:49:03] contribute and do this and do that but [00:49:06] there is a 3% sales tax on [00:49:11] that well and there's a local tax right [00:49:14] that we I'm just saying it does exist if [00:49:17] not it doesn't exist does exist they're [00:49:21] not a they're not a [00:49:23] nonprofit I'm giving you the example of [00:49:26] the state State came up with the 3% to [00:49:28] cover impact the state and then took it [00:49:31] away no they didn't take it [00:49:34] away we can't on retail is a 3% thing [00:49:37] that goes to the retail only on retail [00:49:40] it's a lot different than when well it's [00:49:42] my point is it's there to cover impact [00:49:44] fees to the town community [00:49:48] Etc and I'm fine [00:49:51] with with charging for nuisance calls [00:49:55] too many call calls to anybody there's a [00:49:59] man down in wheel rate in the old days [00:50:01] who used to have fire calls on him every [00:50:04] week he should have been charged for [00:50:06] nuisance calls I [00:50:09] agree you know if there's too many [00:50:12] calls then it's it's wear and tear on [00:50:15] the engine and costs us to pay cost the [00:50:18] town of fire truck it does [00:50:21] yeah and the town's paying the citizens [00:50:23] are paying for that fire truck y [00:50:29] so are we good if we change everything [00:50:31] to May it's okay with me on this yeah [00:50:35] have you read the rest of it [00:50:40] yep and take out the last engent yep I [00:50:43] my notes yeah [00:50:54] okay do you want to vote on it make a [00:50:57] motion like I yeah I mean if motion huh [00:51:01] can you read the policy into the motion [00:51:03] so we know read the entire policy well [00:51:07] the CH the changes anyway I mean I'll [00:51:10] read it thank the town of Hardwick is [00:51:13] home to and welcomes a diverse mix of [00:51:15] property owners Farmers residential [00:51:17] homeowners commercial businesses [00:51:18] government entities and charitable and [00:51:20] educational nonprofits the vibrant and [00:51:22] growing nonprofit sector both [00:51:24] contributes to and benefits the overall [00:51:26] qu quality of life in our town our town [00:51:28] provides a variety of critical services [00:51:30] to all segments of the community whether [00:51:32] they're residents businesses or [00:51:34] nonprofits while these Services provide [00:51:37] benefit to all funding for Town [00:51:38] departments and services relies heavily [00:51:40] on property tax revenue in order to [00:51:43] maintain a high standard of Municipal [00:51:44] services that Hardwick has historically [00:51:46] provided the select board believes that [00:51:49] all Property Owners should continue [00:51:51] contribute a fair and reasonable share [00:51:53] towards the cost of Municipal services [00:51:56] payment in lie of taxes partnership [00:51:58] contribution approach is a [00:52:00] forward-thinking mutual benefit that [00:52:02] reinforces the nonprofits role as a [00:52:04] partner in the community linking its [00:52:07] Financial scale to its share of [00:52:08] community responsibility and [00:52:10] charitability per its tax exempt status [00:52:13] this policy shall apply to all [00:52:15] nonprofits that are classified as exe as [00:52:18] exempt from taxation under GL chapter 59 [00:52:21] Section 5 Clause 3 it should be noted [00:52:24] that all not all nonprofits qualify for [00:52:27] exemption from real estate taxes under [00:52:29] clause three policy statement tax exempt [00:52:33] nonprofit institutions benefit [00:52:35] significantly from Hardwick's Public [00:52:37] Safety infrastructure and other [00:52:39] Municipal services to ensure these [00:52:41] Services remain sustainable and [00:52:43] Equitable the town of Hardwick seeks [00:52:45] voluntary contributions from tax exempt [00:52:47] nonprofit organizations structured as a [00:52:51] payment and Le of taxes Town partnership [00:52:54] contribution the pilot TPC recognizes [00:52:57] the cont the critical role nonprofits [00:52:59] play while also acknowledging their [00:53:02] financial responsibility to the [00:53:03] community faer two overview and goals [00:53:06] the town of Hardwick's pilot TPC policy [00:53:09] aims to promote fiscal responsibility [00:53:12] distribute the cost of Municipal [00:53:14] Services fairly and equitably above [00:53:17] among all beneficiaries including tax ex [00:53:20] institutions support Community [00:53:22] sustainability establish a consistent [00:53:25] funding mechanism for Public Safety [00:53:27] infrastructure and Community Development [00:53:30] Foster positive partnership encourage [00:53:34] collaborative relationships with [00:53:35] nonprofits that align with the town's [00:53:37] value benefiting both the organization [00:53:39] and the town residents and then back in [00:53:43] would [00:53:45] be contri the contribution structure [00:53:48] nonprofits operating in the town May pay [00:53:51] an annual contribution based on their [00:53:54] cost their pres on the cost their [00:53:56] presence and activities imposed on [00:53:59] Municipal Services impact fee assessment [00:54:02] impact fees may be deter determined by [00:54:04] the nonprofits use of town resources [00:54:07] including but not limiting to Public [00:54:09] Safety Services police fire and EMS [00:54:11] roads and infrastructure maintenance [00:54:13] water sewage and waste management [00:54:15] emergency and Hazard Hazard response [00:54:19] other direct or indirect cross to the [00:54:22] select board May set the contribution [00:54:24] amount Based on data from the town's [00:54:26] Department [00:54:26] reflecting actual costs [00:54:30] incurred and then it would move on to [00:54:32] review and adjustment period a by annual [00:54:35] review the pilot TPC rate in [00:54:37] contribution structure will be reviewed [00:54:39] every two years by the sck board taking [00:54:41] into account changes in the town's cost [00:54:43] for public services future expansion and [00:54:46] land capacity economic conditions [00:54:49] affecting nonprofit operations regular [00:54:52] updates a fully a full policy review [00:54:55] will occur every 5 years to ensure [00:54:57] alignment with the community needs and [00:54:59] fiscal goals that in-kind contributions [00:55:03] in community benefits tax exempt [00:55:05] nonprofits May propose an in-kind [00:55:08] contribution as part of their pilot TPC [00:55:11] agreement including scholarships for [00:55:13] local students volunteer hours or [00:55:15] infrastructure improvements any proposed [00:55:18] in-kind contribution must be documented [00:55:20] in a formal agreement and quantifiable [00:55:22] and [00:55:22] trackable then partnership criteria [00:55:25] Hardwick will will prioritize [00:55:27] Partnerships with nonprofits that create [00:55:29] local jobs and stimulate the town's [00:55:31] economy preserve the town's rural [00:55:33] character while supporting sustainable [00:55:35] development directly benefit Town [00:55:37] residents through services such as [00:55:39] education Healthcare or social programs [00:55:41] public reporting the select board will [00:55:44] provide an annual report on pilot TPC [00:55:47] funds collected and their allocation to [00:55:49] essential Town Services ensuring [00:55:51] accountability and transparency tax [00:55:54] exempt nonprofits that participate in [00:55:56] this program are also encouraged to [00:55:58] report publicly on their Community [00:56:01] contributions pilot TPC agreement terms [00:56:04] duration and renewal the agreement will [00:56:06] typically span 5 years with review at [00:56:08] the end of each term to accommodate any [00:56:10] shifts in Services service needs [00:56:13] property values or nonprofit [00:56:15] contributions flexibility tax exempt [00:56:18] nonprofits demonstrating significant [00:56:20] investment in hardw may be eligible for [00:56:23] longer term agreements agreements based [00:56:25] on their projected community service [00:56:27] contributions use of pilot funds pilot [00:56:31] TPC funds will be allocated to capital [00:56:33] projects and capital [00:56:35] stabilization attracting aligned [00:56:38] nonprofits the town will promote this [00:56:40] pilot TPC policy as part of its econom [00:56:43] Economic Development efforts aiming to [00:56:46] attract mission-driven organizations [00:56:48] that align with hard's commitment to [00:56:50] Community Development sustainability and [00:56:52] Rural [00:56:54] Preservation and then policy adoption [00:56:56] and review this policy will take effect [00:56:58] upon vote of the select board it will be [00:57:00] re subject to review every 5 years to [00:57:03] adapt to changing community and fiscal [00:57:05] needs this revised policy establishes a [00:57:08] structured collaborative approach that [00:57:10] balances the financial needs of the town [00:57:12] with valuable contributions of nonprofit [00:57:14] organizations creating a sustainable [00:57:17] partnership model for the future of [00:57:18] hardyck and all who are fortunate to [00:57:22] call it home [00:57:28] thank you yes was was there I thought [00:57:31] there was something mentioned in some of [00:57:32] the past meetings about an exemption for [00:57:35] small level nonprofits either in terms [00:57:38] of the amount of property they have or [00:57:39] even the number of employees or business [00:57:42] reue or something I didn't hear anything [00:57:44] in this [00:57:46] about about anyone being Exempted simply [00:57:48] because they're very small and they're [00:57:50] nonprofit like some of our own entities [00:57:53] in town historical Farmers Market [00:57:55] whatever we if you don't mind I'll [00:57:58] answer this question chair um in the [00:58:00] working meeting it was decided to remove [00:58:03] that [00:58:04] exemption so we took it [00:58:08] out and we as we took out other pieces [00:58:12] right but there was exemptions in there [00:58:14] to save you know so the criteria it it [00:58:18] didn't seem you know flexible or you [00:58:23] know and also an example was brought up [00:58:26] if a small nonprofit comes in and let's [00:58:29] say they have a 10 Acre Farm and it's an [00:58:32] animal rescue and they're getting out [00:58:34] constantly and the police are rounding [00:58:36] up their animals and there's a lot of [00:58:38] cost involved with that if they were [00:58:40] exempt because they would fall under the [00:58:43] exemption so so we removed it decided to [00:58:47] remove [00:58:49] it if that helps [00:58:56] can I ask a question Liz um I did not [00:58:59] hear anything in there that I guess [00:59:02] addressed [00:59:04] fairness um as somebody who formed a [00:59:06] nonprofit okay and and and had said that [00:59:10] I'm willing to pay the taxes on the [00:59:12] building say my taxes are if it was a [00:59:15] regular building and I wasn't a [00:59:18] nonprofit would be [00:59:19] $10,000 if I say okay I'm perfectly [00:59:22] willing to pay you [00:59:24] 50% I I take that on but if and and [00:59:29] don't take this wrong Eagle Hill but you [00:59:32] know Eagle Hill says well we're only [00:59:34] willing to pay 1% of the total amount of [00:59:36] the tax bill now there there's a big [00:59:39] difference in fairness there that I'm [00:59:42] willing to put out 50% of the tax [00:59:45] nonprofit will be dealt with [00:59:47] individually that's what that comes down [00:59:50] to [00:59:52] there right there's not fairness in a [00:59:55] contract you just each each individual [00:59:58] nonprofit shouldn't some kind of looked [01:00:01] at individually so if if we're [01:00:04] approached by you or we approach you to [01:00:07] talk about your nonprofit it's going to [01:00:09] be a much different conversation than [01:00:12] somebody somebody else each one will be [01:00:15] looked at separately I understand that [01:00:17] but if what I'm saying is if I'm willing [01:00:19] to pay 50% of the taxes I want to um and [01:00:24] on on one building right but if somebody [01:00:27] but if somebody else owns 30 buildings [01:00:28] and they're going to pay [01:00:32] 1% it's [01:00:34] my that's that's what you thinkness [01:00:37] ain't in there there's not that's yeah [01:00:39] that's not how we look at [01:00:43] contracts yes sir I just um the question [01:00:47] about determination of impact for [01:00:51] whatever um that will be [01:00:54] strictly um deter deted by the [01:00:56] department submitting their proposed [01:00:59] impact is there if it's quantifiable [01:01:03] right don't you're talking about inine [01:01:06] contributions well talking about impact [01:01:08] I'm saying impact said if it's [01:01:11] quantifiable right like so it's going to [01:01:12] be you know if if the police get several [01:01:15] calls to a location that's quantifiable [01:01:17] oh no I and I understand that I'm [01:01:19] thinking along the lines of if the [01:01:22] police say we believe that you your [01:01:27] event or [01:01:28] organization potentially has this impact [01:01:32] we think we should have five police [01:01:34] officers there and you should pay for [01:01:35] them versus a historical look back that [01:01:39] says that there hasn't been a need where [01:01:41] does that sort of determination is there [01:01:43] an appeals process for those not that [01:01:46] yeah but that that's not part of the if [01:01:48] someone's having an event and they need [01:01:50] officers that's not what this policy is [01:01:53] for I don't is if for example if you [01:01:58] have the hard workk fair right and the [01:02:01] police say we believe your impact is [01:02:04] such that we should have that you should [01:02:06] have 10 that's between the fair and the [01:02:10] police department that has nothing to do [01:02:12] with this [01:02:14] policy okay n that's the special event [01:02:18] correct that doesn't have any bearing on [01:02:20] the on this policy [01:02:23] right so impacts would be actual calls [01:02:26] that they responded to that are very you [01:02:29] know we had to you know the fire [01:02:30] department sent out a truck plus three [01:02:34] you know firefighters you can put a [01:02:36] value on that you know that that would [01:02:39] be an actual [01:02:43] impact does that make sense okay okay [01:02:47] Bill if I may in in practice if I heard [01:02:50] you right it sounds as though at the [01:02:52] beginning of a five-year agreement [01:02:55] period [01:02:56] um a nonprofit would be asked basically [01:02:59] to agree to make a pilot payment in a [01:03:03] certain amount and at that time the [01:03:05] beginning of that period they'd be [01:03:07] saying well this is this is what our [01:03:09] impact's likely to be like and so forth [01:03:11] and they figure something out I think [01:03:14] the quantifiable part of it came [01:03:17] in when it was said if there were [01:03:22] quantifiable Services provided to the [01:03:25] town then that could be used as part of [01:03:29] that dollar payment for those five years [01:03:31] I didn't hear anything about if there's [01:03:33] more Char more problems at that you know [01:03:37] then that would come up until the end of [01:03:38] the 5year period it was re and then it [01:03:40] could be then it would be looked at [01:03:42] again correct unless we knew unless [01:03:43] there was actual you know some you know [01:03:47] actual calls are correct at the [01:03:49] beginning you know it's going to be [01:03:50] meeting with each nonprofit and all of [01:03:53] them and having a conversation [01:03:56] and again it's a voluntary program uh [01:03:59] did we ever get a number of nonprofits [01:04:02] and I I know that I don't think you're [01:04:04] going to be going after the state with [01:04:05] all the the I we can certainly church we [01:04:09] do get money for that there's only two [01:04:11] or three are not really um there's [01:04:14] there's actually 152 properties [01:04:17] properties [01:04:19] correct we have that numbered I just [01:04:21] don't know my head how many [01:04:23] conversations do you think it's about a [01:04:25] dozen and a half [01:04:26] yeah there's probably like 12 to 15 [01:04:28] different and and where where one of [01:04:31] like the town you know the town of [01:04:33] Hardwick is some of those properties on [01:04:35] that list it's more than you'd think so [01:04:37] it is it [01:04:39] is 33% of the land in hardw is owned by [01:04:44] nonprofits and that number includes the [01:04:46] state a lot of that is the state that [01:04:48] includes a bunch of land that came to us [01:04:50] for the qu right [01:04:52] yeah you're looking for a number well [01:04:56] what [01:04:58] 80 yeah okay either we're going to vote [01:05:01] on this or we're going to move on so [01:05:03] make a motion to adopt this policy with [01:05:05] the [01:05:08] Amendments I'll second it all in [01:05:12] favor I okay moving [01:05:17] on minute meetings meeting [01:05:22] minutes from December 16th [01:05:34] I'm fine with that I mean I'm ready I [01:05:36] don't have any questions or anything I [01:05:38] think one thing that I we just Now's the [01:05:42] Time yeah hold on there's an error on [01:05:44] the first [01:05:45] page um instead of KK it says [01:05:51] CC no uh well he was here so that was [01:05:55] his meeting right okay so okay that to [01:05:58] okay just so that's fine because I I I [01:06:00] did question that but I was like oh [01:06:02] maybe she was noting that they were [01:06:04] opening their [01:06:05] meeting let me just no I don't take the [01:06:08] we don't take the finance committee's [01:06:10] meeting does no but I didn't know if I [01:06:12] didn't know if she added it just as a [01:06:15] cuz they were you know [01:06:18] easy to re at those [01:06:23] last and you do great no maybe I don't [01:06:26] know I just thought there [01:06:29] was something [01:06:37] that no I'm good with that [01:06:40] yeah you good you happy with [01:06:43] [Music] [01:06:44] it I move that [01:06:47] we accept the minutes for December 16th [01:06:51] with KK instead of CC with KK instead of [01:06:55] with the Amendments right a second all [01:06:59] in [01:07:00] favor your um to administrator report oh [01:07:04] boy um so staff were trained on the new [01:07:07] phone system uh they have we have not [01:07:09] fully gone over to the new system [01:07:12] because we're having an issue with [01:07:13] Comcast not giving up our numbers so the [01:07:15] phone companies are fting it [01:07:17] out um as we talk about earlier we're [01:07:20] working on getting quotes for tree [01:07:21] removal behind town hall and and quotes [01:07:23] for the front door um that's [01:07:27] ongoing um as you know I've been [01:07:29] spending the majority time compiling the [01:07:31] FY 26 budget um met with the finance [01:07:34] committee uh their first meeting we had [01:07:37] a complete streets kickoff meeting with [01:07:38] the highway [01:07:40] superintendent it did have a call with [01:07:41] the superintendent at Pathfinder to talk [01:07:43] about their FY 26 budget um from my [01:07:47] understanding Quin isn't really going to [01:07:49] have anything to us until the middle of [01:07:51] March um but working with Pathfinder it [01:07:53] looks like that's going to be a lot [01:07:54] sooner [01:07:56] um we posted the vacant truck driver [01:07:59] labor position um not noted on here but [01:08:02] we also posted the working Forman [01:08:03] position and tomorrow we will be posting [01:08:05] the treasure collector [01:08:07] position uh we started contract [01:08:09] discussions with employees that have [01:08:10] contracts that expire at the end of the [01:08:11] fiscal [01:08:12] year and as we noted earlier Sarah [01:08:15] Hunter is working one to two days a week [01:08:16] in the Treasure collector's office um [01:08:19] select board chair and myself had our [01:08:21] first meeting with the police Union on [01:08:22] their new contract for FY 26 [01:08:26] I met with Meg height and Julie Marette [01:08:29] on the story map project which is [01:08:30] completed um we're [01:08:33] ordering um maps and everything yeah so [01:08:37] that that's a pretty cool project I had [01:08:39] nothing to do with it yeah but it's cool [01:08:41] yeah um it is cool they did a great job [01:08:44] Meg did a great job um held a monthly [01:08:47] department head [01:08:48] meeting um I've been meeting with the [01:08:50] town clerk um on the timing and [01:08:52] scheduling for the annual town meeting [01:08:56] I completed a conflict of interest law [01:08:58] training and did my monthly wear radio [01:09:02] interview um did a great job too oh [01:09:04] thank you I hate it [01:09:08] um I really hate it um there's a lot of [01:09:12] people this week I really want to [01:09:14] recognize um I really want to recognize [01:09:16] the wfire department and the police [01:09:18] department dep department and everyone [01:09:20] that responded to the horrific fire on [01:09:22] Church Street um they're real heroes and [01:09:25] they worked together and did a great job [01:09:27] both Chiefs um two days after that we [01:09:30] had another really horrific police cop [01:09:32] where one of our officers to get injured [01:09:35] um so they've been there's been a lot [01:09:37] going on and I just I want to recognize [01:09:40] you know everything that they do for [01:09:42] this community because a lot of that [01:09:44] people don't notice and no one would [01:09:46] have known about the horrific call [01:09:48] unless we bring it yeah we bring it up [01:09:52] so I also want to recognize um Tina [01:09:56] growa in the Treasure collector's office [01:09:59] um we've been down a treasure collector [01:10:01] and she's been she came in on Friday [01:10:03] she's just been working really hard and [01:10:06] um making sure that there's no gaps and [01:10:07] you know everything's getting processed [01:10:09] and out there so I want to recognize her [01:10:11] as [01:10:13] well um we're having a manager training [01:10:15] tomorrow for department heads and [01:10:17] assistant department heads from 9:30 to [01:10:18] 11:30 in this room we also scheduled um [01:10:23] our meeting with the legislators and the [01:10:26] towns that surround the quaven all the [01:10:29] key [01:10:29] stakeholders um on the quaven bill [01:10:32] legislation that's been filed year after [01:10:35] year uh I've been working with Mr [01:10:37] Fleming on that as well um getting [01:10:39] everyone in a room and and and advocate [01:10:42] for it as a unit um and Advocate the [01:10:45] legislature to get it through the [01:10:46] process so that meeting is February 25th [01:10:49] at 2:30 at Eagle Hill [01:10:50] school and the chuste house so we will [01:10:53] be meeting on that um [01:10:56] the board you you all got emails about [01:10:57] that today [01:10:59] so um that's all that I have for right [01:11:01] now um I think do we need to accept the [01:11:05] resignation so that you can so I brought [01:11:07] that up to the town clerk today and he's [01:11:09] like it just needs to um be received in [01:11:11] my office and he was like it's more of a [01:11:14] formality if you want to like as long as [01:11:16] we're covered and you can post for [01:11:19] tomorrow tomorrow [01:11:20] morning thank [01:11:22] you s Round Table [01:11:28] um uh back uh on the [01:11:32] 7th Mark coric and Ray Walker the [01:11:35] retired Fire Chief and myself drove [01:11:37] around starting with a list that we got [01:11:40] I do believe from Josh he's acting the [01:11:45] present Fire Chief and we uh we went all [01:11:49] around Gilbertville and we found all [01:11:52] believe all fire hydrants 46 of them [01:11:55] eight of them are out of service there [01:11:58] were uh there are five domestic water [01:12:02] hydrants the yellow ones but um but [01:12:06] that's it some of them are out of [01:12:07] service some of them we found the uh uh [01:12:11] the switching the valves the sprinkler [01:12:15] systems um we did good took a couple [01:12:19] hours so that's it okay [01:12:29] B do anything I'm good I'm [01:12:32] aome do you have [01:12:34] anything I'm [01:12:37] good no I'm [01:12:40] good I don't I don't think I [01:12:46] have I'll second all in [01:12:49] favor we just have to sign some yes