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Hardwick Selectmen Address Hazard Mitigation, Licensing, and Operations

Original title: Hardwick, MA Board of Selectmen Meeting 12/11/23

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Date

December 12, 2023

Duration

1h 40m

Decisions

5 recorded

Action Items

36 assigned

Summary

The Hardwick Board of Selectmen convened for a meeting that included a detailed presentation by Kaplan Associates on the town's Hazard Mitigation Plan update, emphasizing community engagement, hazard identification, and mitigation strategies. Key actions included the non-renewal of the 'Affordable Cars' Class 2 license following public complaints, the approval of various annual liquor license renewals, and the acceptance of a conservation restriction for the Squabbin Land Trust. The board also appointed an Interim Fire Chief, approved a Highway Department hire, discussed a vacancy on the Page Memorial Library Board of Trustees, and addressed a resident's concerns regarding the building inspector. Administrative matters such as drainage projects, grant applications, and the 2023 audit were also reviewed.

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Kaplan Associates presented an overview of the Hazard Mitigation Plan update, detailing its purpose, components, and the five-year validity period for FEMA funding eligibility.
Community engagement was emphasized, with interactive questions posed to identify residents' concerns about natural hazards and critical facilities.
A comprehensive list of natural hazards, including extreme temperatures, flooding, and severe storms, was presented, with climate change impacts integrated into the assessment.
Critical facilities essential for community response and recovery, such as fire/police stations, municipal buildings, and water treatment plants, were identified.
Mitigation actions were categorized into local plans/regulations, structural projects, natural systems protection, and education/awareness programs.
A resident expressed significant frustration with the town's building inspector, citing project delays and difficulties, and suggested considering a replacement.
The board discussed the 'Affordable Cars' Class 2 license, hearing testimony from a complainant regarding a problematic vehicle purchase and the business's operational issues.
The appointment of an Interim Fire Chief was discussed, including qualifications, potential compensation, vehicle use policy, and concerns regarding dual roles.
Issues with a drainage project were highlighted, specifically regarding a lack of oversight and non-adherence to plan requirements for pipe bedding and open-air swell maintenance.
Updates were provided on town projects including EV charging stations, the Green Community Grant, the 2023 audit, and the Old Town Hall roof repair.

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Jie no we can't hear that oh my [Music]
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God Jamie oh my God I'm going to have to change the I don't they good
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Tap I can't hear can't see so what am I doing moral support but she has a good printing
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Get serious girls settle down I don't want to have to separate you don't want to hang around with us he all right can you hear us now yes
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Y you can yes oh yeah woohoo wow that's is GRA do you want to see the board or do you want to see the audience hey everybody I to see the audience I mean at least a little bit can you see them uhhuh okay great and
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Somebody in the room is going to take attendance right like a sign in sheet we have one going thumbs up all right should we just get started can turn this down
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[Music] yeah we can turn I just asked oh there it is thanks Rick it's okay I have a better view of everything okay how's that see sounds good to me okay Eric do you want to um Ki off by
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Saying anything uh we're now in a selectman's meeting and uh we're here for present ation by Kaplan Associates um a uh consulting firm that's hired by Mima to help us
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With our Hazard mitigation plan this is something we do every five years or so to identify hazards in town and to come up with strategies on how to mitigate them and uh save ourselves trouble Down the Line This is mostly climate change or oriented but now i'

[00:00:02] jie no we can't hear that oh my [00:00:07] [Music] [00:00:28] God [00:00:38] Jamie oh my God I'm going to have to [00:00:41] change the I don't they good [00:00:47] tap I can't hear can't see so what am I [00:00:53] doing moral [00:00:57] support but she has a good printing [00:01:06] get [00:01:12] serious [00:01:14] girls settle down I don't want to have [00:01:16] to separate you don't want to hang [00:01:18] around with [00:01:20] us he all right can you hear us now yes [00:01:25] y you can yes oh yeah woohoo wow [00:01:30] that's is [00:01:32] GRA do you want to see the board or do [00:01:34] you want to see the audience hey [00:01:36] everybody I to see the [00:01:39] audience I mean at least a little bit [00:01:42] can you see them uhhuh okay great and [00:01:45] somebody in the room is going to take [00:01:47] attendance right like a sign in sheet we [00:01:49] have one [00:01:50] going thumbs up all right should we just [00:01:54] get started can turn this [00:01:58] down [00:02:03] [Music] [00:02:04] yeah we can turn I just asked oh there [00:02:07] it is thanks Rick it's okay I have a [00:02:10] better view of everything okay how's [00:02:13] that see sounds good to me [00:02:18] okay Eric do you want to um Ki off by [00:02:22] saying anything uh we're now in a [00:02:25] selectman's meeting and uh we're here [00:02:28] for present [00:02:30] ation by [00:02:32] Kaplan Associates um a uh consulting [00:02:36] firm that's hired by Mima to help us [00:02:40] with our Hazard mitigation plan this is [00:02:43] something we do every five years or so [00:02:46] uh to identify hazards in town and to [00:02:50] come up with strategies on how to [00:02:52] mitigate them and uh save ourselves [00:02:54] trouble Down the Line This is mostly [00:02:57] climate change or oriented but now i' [00:03:01] just turn it over to [00:03:04] Jamie all right well thank you so much [00:03:07] so as Eric said my name is Jamie Kaplan [00:03:09] and my firm was chosen by the [00:03:12] Massachusetts Emergency Management [00:03:14] agency to update your um Hazard [00:03:18] mitigation plan and what I'm going to do [00:03:21] today is help you understand what that [00:03:24] plan is and um how you can contribute [00:03:27] some information to it so everybody [00:03:29] who's got uh if you're on Zoom um and [00:03:33] those of you in the room if you've got a [00:03:36] cell phone or a laptop or PowerPoint or [00:03:39] something and you can open a browser you [00:03:42] can go to the website m.com it's me n [00:03:47] ti.com and then put in that number you [00:03:51] don't download any you just type in this [00:03:54] number [00:03:56] 5576 [00:03:58] 2970 [00:04:00] and you should then see this screen and [00:04:04] that's going to give you the chance to [00:04:06] participate in um in the meeting Eric is [00:04:10] it okay with you if we record the [00:04:12] meeting I forgot to ask you do you want [00:04:14] me to record it what do you say it's [00:04:17] okay with me yes I'll just I'll record [00:04:20] it and then you'll have it recording in [00:04:23] progress okay so when you get to the [00:04:26] m.com you can give a thumbs up for those [00:04:29] of you got there it'll make an easy way [00:04:32] for you to participate in the meeting [00:04:34] and the instructions will show up again [00:04:37] and again so don't [00:04:39] worry and if you can't do it don't worry [00:04:42] about that [00:04:43] either um all right so if you are on [00:04:47] m.com you can answer this question by [00:04:49] typing in the response and this is just [00:04:51] kind of a practice question if you will [00:04:54] what do you like most about [00:04:58] hardc and for those those of you in the [00:05:00] room um you can just call out your [00:05:03] answers or um we can also type them into [00:05:06] the chat whatever you feel like I'm on [00:05:09] here so I can take what you guys [00:05:12] want anybody want to put anything [00:05:15] in what do you like about hardle it does [00:05:18] matter somebody said the rural character [00:05:21] of the [00:05:24] Town small town life small town life [00:05:28] that's a good one [00:05:33] Chloe what do you think you've been here [00:05:35] a long [00:05:36] time hadn't thought about it I don't [00:05:38] live in HCK I live in Gilbertville there [00:05:40] you go all right that's a [00:05:46] point okay anybody else want to [00:05:49] contribute [00:05:51] anything people willing to help one [00:05:53] another the community yep that's exactly [00:05:55] what I was just thinking yeah the [00:05:57] community that makes sense [00:06:00] the the light and traffic on the [00:06:04] roads that's a good [00:06:08] one yeah you don't want to go [00:06:11] East all right clean [00:06:13] air Community Support those are good [00:06:18] ones great all right we'll keep going [00:06:23] so what we'll do today as I mentioned um [00:06:26] brief introductions mostly to the [00:06:28] Consulting team we'll go over uh what [00:06:31] hazard mitigation is and what a hazard [00:06:35] mitigation plan is then we'll work [00:06:38] together to identify natural hazards and [00:06:41] critical facilities and then we'll [00:06:43] brainstorm some possible mitigation [00:06:46] actions and some next steps so the big [00:06:49] picture for you to know today is that I [00:06:52] want you to have a real understanding of [00:06:55] what is Hazard [00:06:56] mitigation and um what the plan is all [00:06:59] about that and what's going to be [00:07:00] included in the [00:07:02] plan so just a little background [00:07:05] information for all of you um these are [00:07:09] pictures of the leads of the planning [00:07:12] team um we are under contract with the [00:07:16] state to our original contract called [00:07:19] for 14 Hazard mitigation plans in the [00:07:22] state and then the state extended the [00:07:24] contract to add six more [00:07:27] communities and they plan to then at [00:07:29] another 11 so we've done a lot of work [00:07:33] in the state of Massachusetts but we do [00:07:35] work uh Nationwide as well doing [00:07:38] mitigation planning um and other [00:07:40] Emergency Management work so [00:07:44] um we're we're well schooled in all of [00:07:47] this I going tell you we we've been [00:07:48] doing it for a very long time she said [00:07:51] this is [00:07:53] many did somebody have a [00:07:57] question no okay so let's talk about [00:08:01] what hazard mitigation is so FEMA [00:08:03] defines Hazard mitigation as any [00:08:06] sustained action taken to reduce or [00:08:09] eliminate long-term risks to life and [00:08:12] property from Hazard events and we're [00:08:15] looking for actions or projects if you [00:08:18] will that we can do to minimize risk to [00:08:20] people on property um as well as the [00:08:23] environment from natural hazards it's a [00:08:26] federal requirement that the plan [00:08:28] include all possible natural hazards and [00:08:32] um and that's where we put our focus and [00:08:35] it's been proven that for every dollar [00:08:38] you spend mitigating risk you save [00:08:41] approximately $6 or more on future [00:08:43] disaster losses and so what that means [00:08:46] is for instance if you have a bridge [00:08:50] that overtops with water and collapses [00:08:54] when you replace that bridge it's [00:08:57] exponentially more expensive than if you [00:08:59] retrofitted the bridge or put it in a [00:09:01] place where it wouldn't overt does that [00:09:04] make [00:09:05] sense that's the kind of projects that [00:09:08] we're thinking about and what we're [00:09:09] looking for and then the hazard [00:09:12] mitigation plan seeks to identify what [00:09:15] those projects will be in your town so [00:09:18] the first piece of the plan includes a [00:09:21] community profile and that really sets [00:09:23] the stage for what's there what does the [00:09:26] built environment look like what's your [00:09:28] infrastr structure who lives there that [00:09:31] kind of thing just a big picture if you [00:09:34] will then Hazard information and risk [00:09:37] assessment that's where we include all [00:09:40] of the possible natural hazards and then [00:09:42] we go into the specifics for what their [00:09:46] risk or potential impact is to the [00:09:50] community then we look at the [00:09:52] community's capabilities this is really [00:09:54] the town's capacity to mitigate risk so [00:09:58] what do you have in in place now that [00:10:00] enables you to mitigate risk and what [00:10:03] maybe you should have or don't have um [00:10:06] that that would help you so we're [00:10:08] looking at some opportunities and [00:10:10] challenges that may come out of that [00:10:12] assessment as well and then your [00:10:15] mitigation strategy is going to be the [00:10:17] section of the plan that identifies [00:10:19] these projects that if implemented uh [00:10:23] you will reduce your risk and then the [00:10:27] last chapter of the plan will be [00:10:29] implementation and maintenance um as [00:10:32] Eric mentioned in the beginning the plan [00:10:34] is good for five years so with FEMA's [00:10:38] approval your plan um is good for 5 [00:10:41] years and then you're eligible for what [00:10:43] FEMA calls pre- disaster mitigation [00:10:46] funding so we're looking to identify [00:10:49] projects that you can do on nice sunny [00:10:53] calm weather days so that when we do [00:10:57] have the winter storm or the hurc [00:10:59] hurricane or whatever you won't have a [00:11:03] disaster all [00:11:06] right so we think about mitigation [00:11:08] planning there are many benefits to [00:11:11] doing having the plan in place as well [00:11:14] as just developing the plan so the plan [00:11:17] seeks to identify cost effective actions [00:11:20] to reduce risk I like to say we're not [00:11:23] looking for hairbrained ideas we really [00:11:25] want to flush out what is realistic and [00:11:29] what will focus on reducing risk to your [00:11:33] um greatest vulnerabilities or what how [00:11:36] to use your resources excuse me um on [00:11:39] your greatest vulnerabilities the plan [00:11:42] builds Partnerships the process itself [00:11:44] all of you um coming together to do this [00:11:47] uh is a way to do some partnership [00:11:49] building also through the development of [00:11:51] the plan we uh try and work with the [00:11:54] town to make sure that they've got [00:11:56] Partners outside of their government [00:11:58] boundaries because these natural hazards [00:12:00] that we're talking about really don't [00:12:02] care about our government [00:12:04] boundaries um and many of them we would [00:12:06] consider atmospheric hazards for [00:12:08] instance like extreme cold or our snow [00:12:11] storms so we want to make sure when [00:12:13] we're thinking about reducing risk or [00:12:16] mitigating risk that we're um Crossing [00:12:19] those boundaries and working in [00:12:21] Partnership the planning process itself [00:12:24] as well as the plan will increase [00:12:26] awareness of Hazards and risk your um I [00:12:30] think that you'll leave today with some [00:12:32] information that maybe you didn't have [00:12:34] when you got here so that's good the [00:12:37] plan communicates the town's priorities [00:12:40] so these are not cookie cutter documents [00:12:44] um each plan we develop is unique I mean [00:12:47] it's laid out in the same way but but [00:12:50] the contents is unique and it reflects [00:12:52] the the priorities of the community and [00:12:55] part of the way we do that is review [00:12:57] other plans that you have place as well [00:12:59] as talk to and work with all of you um [00:13:03] and by doing that we hope to align with [00:13:05] your objectives other things that you [00:13:08] want to do for instance um some climate [00:13:11] adaptation that you care about and then [00:13:13] ultimately implementing the plan should [00:13:16] save lives and [00:13:18] money so those are the benefits of the [00:13:21] mitigation [00:13:23] plan our process for putting the plan [00:13:26] together began back in September with a [00:13:29] off meeting it'll finish up um in [00:13:32] approximately April by submitting the [00:13:35] plan to the state that's Mima the [00:13:37] Massachusetts Emergency Management [00:13:39] agency Mima will review the plan to make [00:13:43] sure it meets Federal requirements and [00:13:46] state requirements once Mima is [00:13:48] comfortable they like the plan they send [00:13:51] it directly to tea for their review and [00:13:54] approval once FEMA's comfortable with [00:13:57] the plan they send it back to the town [00:14:00] saying it's approved pending adoption [00:14:03] and it's at that time that the select [00:14:06] board for Hardwick should formally adopt [00:14:09] the [00:14:10] plan as the head of the Consulting team [00:14:12] I'll work with you uh through that [00:14:15] process um of review and adoption [00:14:18] looking at this timeline the most [00:14:20] important part for you to understand in [00:14:23] the timeline is that Top Line shaded in [00:14:27] green is really talking about Community [00:14:31] engagement and the meetings that we have [00:14:34] so as a uh we have two public meetings [00:14:37] scheduled and then in March an [00:14:39] opportunity for the public to review the [00:14:42] plan when we're not meeting with the [00:14:45] public we've got what we call hmpc [00:14:48] meetings and that's the hazard [00:14:49] mitigation planning committee so through [00:14:52] the entire planning process no matter [00:14:55] what we're doing on kind of the back end [00:14:57] if you will as a Consulting team we're [00:14:59] working in conjunction with the [00:15:03] town so when we develop the plan the [00:15:05] first thing that we do is look back to [00:15:07] your previous plan which is from [00:15:11] 2019 and then we're also looking at the [00:15:14] state's plan the state Hazard mitigation [00:15:17] and climate adaptation plan was just [00:15:19] released um it's an update a 5year [00:15:22] update to their previous plan and it's a [00:15:25] federal requirement that your plan be [00:15:27] consistent with the state's plan so [00:15:30] hazards that they look at as a state we [00:15:33] have to look at for each Town um and [00:15:36] sort of the priorities we can have to be [00:15:39] consistent with and then we also look to [00:15:42] what's called your Municipal [00:15:43] vulnerability preparedness plan which is [00:15:46] um from 2022 so that's much more recent [00:15:49] and I'm sure some of you um had a role [00:15:52] in that so your old mitigation plan and [00:15:55] your what we call MVP plan both both [00:15:58] include actions that you had hoped to [00:16:02] implement to mitigate [00:16:04] risk um the MVP plan really includes [00:16:07] more recommendations than what I would [00:16:09] consider actions but they're close so we [00:16:12] need to tell FEMA what you've done to [00:16:15] date and then we start coming up with [00:16:18] the new ones so part of the way we do [00:16:21] this is gather as much information as we [00:16:23] can from you and we look to what other [00:16:26] plans you may have in place and so this [00:16:28] is just a list of some of the types of [00:16:31] plans that towns may have so we get our [00:16:34] hands on as much as we can um and scour [00:16:38] that information to make sure that we're [00:16:40] representing your community [00:16:46] well then the next thing that we do is [00:16:48] put together this Hazard mitigation [00:16:50] planning committee um and each town we [00:16:54] work with um has a committee and then at [00:16:57] least one if not to Liaison so for [00:17:01] instance Eric ballheim is is our lead [00:17:04] liaison on your end that we work closest [00:17:07] with and all the committee members are [00:17:09] responsible for providing us as a [00:17:11] Consulting team with supporting data and [00:17:15] information so we are very good at [00:17:18] mitigation planning but we don't know [00:17:20] anything about hardwood right so we have [00:17:22] lots of questions and we need to get as [00:17:24] much information as we can from all of [00:17:27] you and so committee has to respond to [00:17:30] those questions and we meet with them [00:17:32] every month or every other [00:17:33] month then the committee members also [00:17:36] assist with Outreach and what we call [00:17:38] stakeholder engagement so that's part of [00:17:40] how you got here today if you saw a [00:17:42] flyer or a press release I made the [00:17:45] original flyer and press release but [00:17:47] then the committee did some work to get [00:17:49] that word out [00:17:51] there then all the committee members [00:17:54] also assist in identifying and [00:17:56] prioritizing the mitigation actions that [00:17:59] what you want what the town wants to do [00:18:02] and finally they'll review and comment [00:18:04] on the draft Plan before it goes to the [00:18:07] state and before um you all as the [00:18:09] public have a chance to review it so the [00:18:12] hazard mitigation planning committee can [00:18:15] kind of grow and change as the planning [00:18:18] process goes along but at the moment [00:18:21] this is who's on your committee and you [00:18:24] can see here we've tried to represent [00:18:26] the different departments and Town we've [00:18:29] got your Emergency Management folks and [00:18:32] First [00:18:32] Responders as well as planning water [00:18:36] treatment um parks and rack you know [00:18:39] it's it's a broad spectrum of people who [00:18:42] uh understand what's going on in your [00:18:48] community all right so let's get into [00:18:50] the hazards so the first step is for you [00:18:53] all to help make a list what natural [00:18:56] hazards are Mo are you most concerned [00:18:59] will impact your Comm [00:19:01] community and you can type them into the [00:19:04] chat or call them out or write them [00:19:08] right into mometer if we've got that [00:19:12] going I think winter stor me let's make [00:19:15] the list winter storms knocking out our [00:19:18] power concerns me [00:19:21] most [00:19:25] okay winter storms knocking out power [00:19:27] what else we [00:19:31] got trees falling trees falling yeah [00:19:35] like on the on the wires or in [00:19:38] somebody's yard [00:19:41] and and why will the trees fall because [00:19:45] of the it could be wind could be [00:19:49] snowstorm could be saturated Brown CU [00:19:53] we've had water so too much water this [00:19:56] year great so that ground saturation [00:20:00] wind snow storms those are the hazards [00:20:03] and the trees falling and the wires [00:20:06] coming down would be sort of the impacts [00:20:09] of [00:20:09] that all right so we know we've got high [00:20:12] winds we know we have winter [00:20:14] storms what else water contamination is [00:20:18] a good one to consider and why is the [00:20:20] water going to get contaminated any [00:20:26] ideas that was kind of an extra credit [00:20:29] question well flooding of septic [00:20:33] treatment would contaminate the water or [00:20:36] uh [00:20:41] industry great any other hazards that [00:20:43] you want to [00:20:45] consider it's a big plan we get to look [00:20:48] as at as much as you [00:20:55] want all right well let me show you the [00:20:58] list that we [00:21:00] have so this is the list that we're [00:21:03] going to look at in your [00:21:05] plan extreme temperatures that's going [00:21:07] to be extreme heat or extreme cold and [00:21:10] we certainly are ex um seeing more and [00:21:13] more extreme heat days right we're [00:21:15] having more hot days than we ever have [00:21:19] we'll also look to [00:21:21] Drought earthquakes [00:21:24] flooding hurricanes and tropical storms [00:21:27] that's your [00:21:29] uh high wind some of your high winds [00:21:31] invasive species that may also [00:21:33] contaminate your water [00:21:36] landslides severe weather severe winter [00:21:39] storms tornadoes and wildfires or brush [00:21:43] fires so as you can see we come up with [00:21:46] kind of a laundry list right we think of [00:21:48] as many as we possibly can and then for [00:21:51] each of these hazards we also want to [00:21:54] consider [00:21:56] um how how I'll get into it in a minute [00:21:59] how climate change impacts them so for [00:22:02] every Hazard we do what's called a [00:22:04] profile the first part of that is a [00:22:07] description what is an earthquake what [00:22:10] is a flood then we want to talk about [00:22:13] where is it going to happen for for [00:22:16] hazards like um high winds the location [00:22:20] would be your probably your whole [00:22:22] Community almost [00:22:24] equally but for something like flooding [00:22:27] you're not going to see that equally [00:22:29] throughout town right you're going to [00:22:30] see that happen more adjacent to uh [00:22:35] streams or ponds or Rivers what have you [00:22:40] then we're going to look backwards [00:22:42] what's occurred in the past have you had [00:22:44] these hazards impact you in the past we [00:22:48] look to the extent and that means that [00:22:50] range of [00:22:52] possibility right so could you have a [00:22:55] huge earthquake like a 7.0 earthquake [00:22:58] probably not whereas if we were sitting [00:23:01] in California we would say yes that's [00:23:05] possible then we think about the [00:23:07] probability of your future um future [00:23:10] natural hazards you know how likely it [00:23:12] is to have this Hazard happen in the [00:23:15] future I think we could all agree we [00:23:17] will have a winter storm this winter [00:23:20] right if we didn't we'd be very very [00:23:21] surprised whereas will we have an [00:23:24] earthquake not as likely and then we [00:23:27] look to to what is [00:23:29] vulnerable what will be the impact to [00:23:33] you all and to your built environment [00:23:36] based on that um [00:23:39] Hazard then finally we look to climate [00:23:42] change and we want to understand we [00:23:44] don't look at climate change as a hazard [00:23:46] in and of itself we look at how it's [00:23:49] impacting the other hazards and there's [00:23:52] uh recently Massachusetts did a climate [00:23:55] change assessment for the state and they [00:23:58] divided the state into these different [00:24:01] regions um and we can see here that um [00:24:05] each [00:24:06] region the impacts are slightly [00:24:09] different but we did cons we do consider [00:24:13] um damage to it's hard for you to read [00:24:15] this I'm sure damage to electrical um [00:24:18] transmission and distribution freshwater [00:24:21] ecosystem degradation reduction in the [00:24:24] availability of affordable housing these [00:24:26] are some of the [00:24:28] priority impacts that we see an [00:24:31] increased demand for services and an [00:24:33] increas in costs of responding to [00:24:36] climate migration right people are [00:24:38] moving based on the [00:24:40] climate so that's something that we [00:24:43] consider in your plan as [00:24:46] well then we start thinking about your [00:24:48] critical facilities right we want to [00:24:50] look at how these hazards will impact [00:24:54] your community [00:24:56] specifically when we think about got [00:24:57] critical facilities often we would say [00:25:00] that they are or we would consider them [00:25:03] to be the structures necessary for a [00:25:05] community to respond or recover in an [00:25:08] emergency situation so that brings to [00:25:11] mind things like fire stations police [00:25:14] stations uh we also want to consider if [00:25:17] you've got long-term care facilities or [00:25:20] other health care facilities if you've [00:25:22] got Emergency Shelters which may be your [00:25:24] schools it may be the building you're [00:25:26] sitting in the room you're in we want to [00:25:30] look at your utilities right your water [00:25:33] supply wastewater treatment facilities [00:25:36] power pardon me and finally [00:25:38] communication facilities so we're trying [00:25:40] to get an understanding of what you rely [00:25:43] on and this list of types of critical [00:25:47] facilities we would show to any [00:25:49] Community we're working with it could be [00:25:52] as large city an entire County or a town [00:25:55] smaller than yours um and then we get to [00:25:58] Define for that Community what are their [00:26:01] critical [00:26:03] facilities so let's do that as a group [00:26:06] and figure out what are your critical [00:26:08] facilities what do you rely on your [00:26:11] buildings or your infrastructure that [00:26:13] you rely [00:26:18] on and you can type them in call them [00:26:21] out write them in the chat whatever [00:26:23] works for [00:26:25] you fire [00:26:28] oh sorry SE is a good one well there's [00:26:31] two in in hardw um Public public seers [00:26:36] water a treatment plant good [00:26:42] one where are you the people in person [00:26:44] where are you sitting right [00:26:47] now in will right [00:26:50] we and we're in the municipal office [00:26:54] building [00:26:56] okay [00:26:59] we do have two water treatment [00:27:00] facilities that are [00:27:02] critical okay what [00:27:07] else fire [00:27:09] station good [00:27:13] one water works for hardw and wheel [00:27:19] R Great Water Works water the water [00:27:26] water any think of anything [00:27:30] else well our emergency shelter is the [00:27:32] elementary [00:27:34] school okay good [00:27:37] one all right so based on our work to [00:27:41] date with the hazard mitigation planning [00:27:43] committee and the research that we've [00:27:45] done this is the list that we have so [00:27:48] far um and with the list what we do is [00:27:54] we map that and I know the map is way [00:27:57] too small for for you to see but once [00:27:59] you see the plan you'll be able to see [00:28:00] it and you'll be able to we can zoom in [00:28:03] and create large maps with different [00:28:06] pieces but what we're trying to do here [00:28:08] is find out where is that intersection [00:28:11] between natural hazards and critical [00:28:14] facilities so we've got our list of [00:28:17] natural hazards we have our list of [00:28:19] critical facilities the next step is [00:28:22] that understanding that risk so where do [00:28:25] these hazards and the what these [00:28:27] critical facilities as well as what we [00:28:29] would call Community assets where do [00:28:31] they overlap where are the [00:28:35] problems and based on [00:28:38] that we try to this is what it'll this [00:28:40] is some of what it will look like when [00:28:42] we do that combination this is an [00:28:45] example map of your um flood risk we [00:28:50] have we can map all of the buildings in [00:28:52] the community not just your critical [00:28:54] facilities to see where will they [00:28:57] where is the flooding compared to where [00:28:59] are the buildings so we come up with at [00:29:03] the moment this is very very preliminary [00:29:05] there's 23 single family homes at flood [00:29:10] risk there are roads impacted there are [00:29:13] under siiz coverts and if there was [00:29:15] going to be a flood and this is kind of [00:29:18] a a weird like flood because this [00:29:23] analysis is [00:29:24] saying that all of the possible floods [00:29:27] happen on one day then you would have [00:29:31] not quite half a million dollars worth [00:29:33] of [00:29:34] loss um and these are the facilities [00:29:38] that would be at loss so we're really [00:29:40] playing like if you have kids that do [00:29:43] any kind of gaming like a Sim disaster [00:29:45] right we're trying to understand where [00:29:48] the problems [00:29:49] are and then based on that we're going [00:29:51] to try and figure out what can we do [00:29:54] about [00:29:56] it so when we start thinking about what [00:29:59] to do about it we're thinking about [00:30:01] these problems that come up from the mix [00:30:05] of Hazards and the built environment and [00:30:09] the people right so some of the mix is [00:30:13] there are going to be underserved [00:30:16] communities or socially vulnerable [00:30:18] people who may be impacted by one of [00:30:21] these or more of these hazards we'll be [00:30:23] able to identify your structures that [00:30:26] are at risk [00:30:27] we'll look to what systems and um are [00:30:32] possibly at risk that can include like [00:30:35] events that you have it could be your [00:30:37] cultural resources natural resources so [00:30:40] we identify as many problems as we can [00:30:44] and then we start thinking about [00:30:47] Solutions and this is about where we are [00:30:49] in our planning process [00:30:51] now um so in our process we're just [00:30:54] finishing up we're moving towards [00:30:56] finishing up up our risk assessment and [00:30:58] the capabilities that I mentioned to you [00:31:00] before and beginning to answer this [00:31:03] question what are the greatest [00:31:06] impacts and then we'll say what can we [00:31:08] do about it so you tell me what do you [00:31:10] think are some of the big impacts to [00:31:12] people on property in [00:31:17] town from these natural [00:31:25] hazards any idea [00:31:30] sorry there's not really right or wrong [00:31:34] answers just [00:31:36] ideas would it be [00:31:39] flooding flooding is definitely going to [00:31:41] come up and what's going to happen when [00:31:43] it [00:31:44] was uh damage [00:31:47] building damage to the building [00:31:50] roads damage to roads [00:31:54] vehicles uh private property right and [00:31:58] when all of that happens it's expensive [00:32:01] right we're thinking not just about [00:32:03] there can be loss of life and these [00:32:06] damaged buildings or roads need to be [00:32:09] fixed but then there's that ripple [00:32:11] effect of people can't get to work or [00:32:13] your kids can't get to school hurts the [00:32:16] economy yep it definitely hurts the [00:32:20] economy all you have to do is ask a [00:32:23] parent what happens when there's a snow [00:32:25] day and they understand [00:32:27] right it's a [00:32:30] disaster all right so that's what we try [00:32:33] and think [00:32:34] about and then when we come up with our [00:32:36] mitigation actions just as a reminder [00:32:39] for you these are those projects or the [00:32:42] plans that you can have to reduce these [00:32:45] risks so these problems don't happen so [00:32:48] we get ideas from meetings like this one [00:32:51] and from the hazard mitigation planning [00:32:53] committee we look to your previous plan [00:32:57] and see what you've done and to your MVP [00:33:00] plan and then we'll get ideas from the [00:33:02] analysis we run the risk and Analysis [00:33:05] and the capability [00:33:10] assessment and when we mitigate risk [00:33:12] when we're trying to come up with these [00:33:14] solutions for the problems if you will [00:33:17] all those Solutions will fit into one of [00:33:19] these four [00:33:22] categories um local plans and [00:33:24] regulations this has to do with with how [00:33:28] land and buildings are developed and [00:33:30] used right so if you say if there's [00:33:33] building codes so buildings have to be [00:33:35] built to a certain standard or can't be [00:33:38] built in certain areas that would be a [00:33:41] way to mitigate risk structure and [00:33:43] infrastructure projects are fairly easy [00:33:46] to identify that would be things like [00:33:48] putting um a better bridge in or a new [00:33:52] Culvert natural systems [00:33:55] production the these are are uh projects [00:34:00] that you can do to preserve or restore [00:34:02] natural systems natural functions right [00:34:05] so if we're Shoring up the edge of a [00:34:09] river for instance then um the water's [00:34:13] going to stay in that River bed um and [00:34:16] we can do that Shoring up um as a way to [00:34:20] prevent flooding and then education and [00:34:23] awareness programs the more your [00:34:25] community is aware of how to mitigate [00:34:28] their own risks on their properties and [00:34:31] homes as well as um the Outreach and and [00:34:34] education that the town can do so those [00:34:37] are the kinds of projects that we're [00:34:39] looking [00:34:42] for so I thought we'd kind of move [00:34:44] towards wrapping up with you giving me [00:34:46] some ideas of what you'd like to see in [00:34:49] the mitigation plan and how you think [00:34:51] the town can mitigate risk to the [00:34:54] hazards that have been identified to [00:34:55] date [00:34:58] so any ideas on how you want to mitigate [00:35:06] risk there are only good [00:35:09] ideas cuz really we're we're at this [00:35:12] brainstorming stage so there's something [00:35:14] you'd like to see happen in your [00:35:16] community I want to know about [00:35:20] it I'd like to see the dead trees taken [00:35:23] down along the [00:35:25] roads okay [00:35:30] good [00:35:31] one another would be to know where the [00:35:35] storm runoff is going to [00:35:38] create um a lot of flooding issues and [00:35:42] undercutting of roads and start [00:35:44] prioritizing where those that needs to [00:35:47] be addressed [00:35:49] okay perfect that's a really good [00:35:53] one I love it what else [00:36:01] any other [00:36:07] ideas there things that could happen so [00:36:09] that you can carry on your life as [00:36:13] though there's no natural Hazard [00:36:16] happening you you would experience [00:36:18] little to no impact from it what could [00:36:20] the T [00:36:24] do get a hospital in our area [00:36:29] again that I can't [00:36:32] promise actually I come with no promises [00:36:35] but that's one that feels a little out [00:36:37] of the RO all [00:36:39] right okay well we'll come back to this [00:36:43] we are going to have two public [00:36:46] meetings so the next public meeting that [00:36:49] we have will um most likely be in March [00:36:53] and then either in March or April sort [00:36:55] of depending on how our process moves [00:36:58] along you'll have the opportunity to [00:37:00] review the draft plan in our next public [00:37:04] meeting we'll talk a lot more about the [00:37:06] mitigation actions that we've come up [00:37:09] with so you'll we I'll be able to show [00:37:11] you a uh a good list of what is going to [00:37:14] be in the plan as well as give you a [00:37:16] better sense of how to review the plan [00:37:19] so when you get that chance um you know [00:37:21] what to look [00:37:24] for so I just wanted to kind of finalize [00:37:27] it before I open up to questions um this [00:37:30] is a slide a graphic that I stole off [00:37:33] ready.gov which is a good website if [00:37:35] you've been taken a look at it and these [00:37:38] are things that we all can do on our own [00:37:41] to mitigate risk or prepare for a [00:37:43] disaster um and the better off that we [00:37:46] are then the less burden we are to our [00:37:49] First Responders and our towns and [00:37:52] communities um I'm in Northampton I [00:37:54] think I forgot to mention that to you [00:37:57] uh so sign up for alerts and warnings [00:38:01] that's something you want to make sure [00:38:02] that you do um make sure that you're [00:38:06] practicing emergency drills make sure [00:38:09] your your kids know what to do if [00:38:12] there's an emergency I used to tell my [00:38:13] kids when they were little if there's a [00:38:16] fire leave the house and go to the [00:38:17] mailbox go to the end of the driveway [00:38:19] stay at the mailbox because I knew then [00:38:21] someone a first responder would see them [00:38:24] there um whereas you know you didn't [00:38:27] want them to go hide in the woods or [00:38:29] something um anything you can do to make [00:38:32] your home safer right so you have smoke [00:38:34] detectors carbon monoxide detectors that [00:38:36] kind of thing and participating in me [00:38:39] meetings like this getting engaged and [00:38:41] involved with your town so you have a [00:38:43] better sense of what the town can do and [00:38:46] maybe where they could use some of your [00:38:49] help so that's just food for thought um [00:38:53] and I'm happy to answer any questions [00:38:55] you have we have uh a few more minutes [00:38:57] if you have any [00:39:01] questions and I hope this was [00:39:05] helpful oh I see that the impact of [00:39:07] flooding or fires on current half online [00:39:11] dump all right thank [00:39:19] you any questions from the room or Zoom [00:39:25] land [00:39:28] was this helpful do you think you have a [00:39:30] better sense of what the plan is [00:39:35] about you guys didn't fall asleep did [00:39:39] you all right you're there know you're [00:39:45] there all right well I don't need to [00:39:47] keep Jamie I do have one question did I [00:39:50] understand that once we have this plan [00:39:53] approved by the state you mentioned a [00:39:56] five [00:39:57] year um period of time before we can get [00:40:01] FEMA funding is that accurate No so [00:40:04] what's going to happen is the state [00:40:06] reviews the plan and then FEMA approves [00:40:10] the [00:40:11] plan once FEMA approves your [00:40:14] plan your select Board needs to formally [00:40:18] adopt the plan you just sign a form that [00:40:20] says you've adopted it and then you have [00:40:24] five years from that day to be eligible [00:40:28] for pre- disaster funding from the [00:40:31] government so you apply for that funding [00:40:35] you'd write Grant applications for these [00:40:37] projects or these mitigation actions and [00:40:41] um within the five years that's when you [00:40:44] can apply for the funding then you [00:40:46] update your plan so that you can [00:40:48] continue applying for funding so you're [00:40:51] only eligible for some of that money by [00:40:54] having the plan in place [00:40:57] and if for example one of the town's [00:40:59] plans regarding [00:41:01] cultural um resources was to um try to [00:41:05] get grants and fundings to restore some [00:41:08] of the older cultural [00:41:11] buildings could we also be seeking funds [00:41:15] from a um Hazard perspective for for the [00:41:20] same kind of thing yeah absolutely so if [00:41:22] you can you can look for funding from as [00:41:25] many places as you want you'd only be [00:41:28] eligible for that FEMA funding which [00:41:31] would flow through the state um by [00:41:34] having a the FEMA approved plan but yes [00:41:38] so like if you've got a cultural [00:41:39] building or say you have a library right [00:41:42] your library if you want to retrofit the [00:41:45] library in some way then you can put in [00:41:48] the plan that your library is a heating [00:41:51] and cooling center and it needs to have [00:41:53] a backup generator or an air conditioner [00:41:56] that kind of thing and you could try and [00:41:58] seek uh Federal funding for [00:42:01] that did that kind of answer question [00:42:03] thank you [00:42:05] okay so no guarantees with the funding [00:42:08] it's competitive typically the only time [00:42:11] it wouldn't be competitive is if you had [00:42:13] a very large [00:42:15] disaster um and then regardless of your [00:42:18] status of having a plan money would flow [00:42:20] to [00:42:23] you other questions about the plan [00:42:31] would another [00:42:32] mitigation um strategy be to be to have [00:42:37] identified the [00:42:40] vulnerable uh residents homes to be [00:42:44] prepared to check on them to get food [00:42:48] and other supplies to them in a [00:42:50] disaster yes yes and that's something [00:42:53] that typically we see either a coun on [00:42:56] Aging or a fire department may be aware [00:42:59] of which residents are vulnerable um but [00:43:02] we could certainly put something in the [00:43:04] plan that um those residents need to be [00:43:07] identified so that assistance is [00:43:10] prioritized to them um and so that they [00:43:14] know what they can do if you know if [00:43:16] they have the capacity to do anything [00:43:18] and so they know what to expect from the [00:43:22] town okay yeah that's a good [00:43:25] idea [00:43:30] all right well um the last uh slide and [00:43:34] um those of you in the room have it but [00:43:37] I'll make sure uh you can post this uh [00:43:40] on the internet if you want and I'll [00:43:42] send you a copy of the recording Eric so [00:43:45] you have that but my contact information [00:43:48] and Eric's is on the last slide so [00:43:51] sometimes a meeting like this really [00:43:53] starts to get the juices flowing if you [00:43:55] will right so you might think of [00:43:57] something else and if you do um reach [00:44:00] out first to Eric and then to me of [00:44:02] course um and I'm happy to take your [00:44:04] questions or add things to the plan [00:44:06] based on your [00:44:09] comments and that's all I've got Eric is [00:44:13] there anything else from the [00:44:15] room I don't think so they're all still [00:44:18] here okay I think that's a good sign I [00:44:22] think there's some interest so we'll [00:44:25] hope that it picks up [00:44:27] all right good yeah it t it's a lot to [00:44:32] digest great all right well thank you [00:44:34] all it was nice to meet you and [00:44:36] hopefully I'll see you in a couple [00:44:38] months at our next public meeting thank [00:44:41] you Jamie thank you you're welcome take [00:44:44] care everybody bye [00:44:51] byebye okay so now the uh Zoom is over [00:44:54] and now we're still recording we're not [00:44:57] record we're live we're live we're live [00:45:00] on [00:45:04] your okay [00:45:06] uh again I've called the meeting to [00:45:08] order I think uh if we could do the [00:45:10] Pledge of [00:45:14] Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the [00:45:17] flag of the United States of America and [00:45:20] to the Republic for which it stands one [00:45:23] nation under God indivisible liy and [00:45:28] Justice and [00:45:31] uh we could go to visitors comments I [00:45:34] know Kat's [00:45:37] here would you [00:45:39] uh I know you have something to say I [00:45:42] don't know if you want to stay for the [00:45:44] whole meeting but uh yeah I hate to [00:45:47] interrupt your meeting I you're on the [00:45:49] agenda as visitors comments so it's your [00:45:53] turn if you want to speak um yeah all I [00:45:55] want wanted to say is basically um well [00:45:59] the town has tried to work with me to [00:46:02] perpetuate what I'm doing with the [00:46:03] Whistle Stop to bring a train to the [00:46:05] town and to create more jobs here I've [00:46:09] had an awful time getting past the [00:46:10] building [00:46:12] inspector I feel that I'm probably 90% [00:46:15] of the way or 95% of the way within [00:46:18] January but it's it's cutting me to the [00:46:20] quick it's been well over a year that [00:46:23] I've worked on this and I just think the [00:46:26] town should consider getting somebody [00:46:28] else to do the inspecting this is this [00:46:31] is a lot of stuff that I shouldn't have [00:46:34] had been put through and [00:46:38] um it's it's it's that I've had a lot of [00:46:42] willpower to make it there but um normal [00:46:46] people shouldn't have to go through this [00:46:47] and I've heard quite a few people [00:46:48] complain but they don't have they don't [00:46:51] have it to step up CU they don't want to [00:46:52] be they don't want to be punished later [00:46:55] on you know by him when something [00:46:57] doesn't happen but I think it's about [00:46:59] time you probably consider to get [00:47:01] somebody else I think I'll probably make [00:47:04] it to where I want to be but there's [00:47:06] other people he's not helping there's no [00:47:09] reason that people have to come with a [00:47:12] book of knowledge to find out what they [00:47:13] need to do in this town there's no [00:47:16] reason that I have to go from person to [00:47:18] person in this town to try and get help [00:47:21] and be educated on some of the stuff [00:47:24] that he could have just helped me with [00:47:25] all [00:47:28] so I would like you guys to consider [00:47:30] that it's more than one person that has [00:47:32] talked to me over there but again they [00:47:34] don't want to say anything they don't [00:47:35] want anything to happen to them [00:47:38] so but I I really hope that I can make [00:47:42] it the rest of the way it's been a long [00:47:44] way down the road for me and I feel that [00:47:47] I can do a lot for the town and bring a [00:47:49] lot to the town but I can't you can't [00:47:52] have somebody like this in your town [00:47:54] you're not going to get any where with [00:47:56] him people are going to try and come and [00:47:58] make businesses and do stuff here and [00:48:00] they're going to again again be turned [00:48:02] away and not know what to do you're [00:48:04] solely lucky that you have some of the [00:48:06] people in your system that have helped [00:48:08] people through [00:48:10] this so I don't have much more than that [00:48:13] to say that's what I want to talk about [00:48:15] tonight and I hope I am the nth that I [00:48:19] can complete what I've set out to do and [00:48:22] start to get the extension on the [00:48:23] building I think that we could do a lot [00:48:27] here so again I'm sorry to have [00:48:30] interrupted your meeting no no no it's [00:48:32] what we're here I did enjoy some of the [00:48:34] stuff on the flood because my daughter [00:48:36] was in a flood zone in Vermont lost her [00:48:39] whole house yeah to it with the bridge [00:48:42] pointing right at her house now that [00:48:43] they built so interesting to hear some [00:48:46] of that [00:48:47] but now not to put you off but could you [00:48:50] write a letter I could write a letter if [00:48:52] you could write us a letter I probably [00:48:55] could get some of other people but like [00:48:56] I said you know they they don't want to [00:48:58] detriment themselves or you know harm [00:49:01] themselves when well I commend you for [00:49:03] coming in and stepping up because this [00:49:05] is what we need to hear you need to hear [00:49:07] it and if you wrote a letter we'd have [00:49:09] it on record and start to get a kind of [00:49:13] a paper trail yeah because I've talked [00:49:16] to quite a few people people I don't [00:49:18] even know have come to talk to me [00:49:20] just just because they know what I've [00:49:22] been through they they've looked at my [00:49:24] ramp or looked at something that I'm [00:49:25] doings and they wonder why it takes me [00:49:27] so long to get to where I'm going for [00:49:30] such a small little tiny building in [00:49:32] this town should never have taken a year [00:49:34] to get this little piece [00:49:37] done so anyhow I've got a great guy that [00:49:40] stands behind me and I'm lucky but [00:49:42] without him we would have probably make [00:49:43] it to this point so other people [00:49:46] probably are not that lucky that they [00:49:48] just don't give up and don't even try [00:49:51] and it seems like this town should [00:49:52] deserve more than what it has you know [00:49:54] there's some good items here that I [00:49:56] think could make money bring people to [00:49:59] this area and it would be fun for [00:50:01] people not with that [00:50:04] guy anyhow everybody have a good night [00:50:07] thanks thank you [00:50:11] night any other visitor [00:50:17] comments any new [00:50:20] business other there of [00:50:22] ABCDE ABC oh there's two [00:50:27] [Applause] [00:50:28] SE so the letter of support for the osrp [00:50:32] open space and recck plan um all I need [00:50:36] you to do is you know vote to authorize [00:50:40] me to send a letter of support for the [00:50:42] open space and ref plan the planning [00:50:44] board has to do the same thing and that [00:50:45] will be complete and then we'll be [00:50:48] eligible for Grants through that plan as [00:50:53] well please I would make make a motion [00:50:56] to [00:50:58] um have Nicole put together a letter and [00:51:01] send off um oh my God I'm so sorry to uh [00:51:07] in support of in support of the 2003 [00:51:10] open space and Recreation [00:51:13] plan second [00:51:16] discussion all in [00:51:19] favor [00:51:21] hi we quav and land trust conservation [00:51:25] rest rtion on rugles [00:51:27] Street Mr [00:51:29] zimy thank you Mr [00:51:32] chairman turns out that I actually [00:51:36] realized that I [00:51:39] have our signed and notorized copy from [00:51:43] our last recent [00:51:44] meeting of this conservation restriction [00:51:47] for 34 acres in over in on the wheel [00:51:50] right side along the W [00:51:52] River um this is a piece of property [00:51:55] owned owned by the theab and land [00:51:58] trust we have been cooperating back and [00:52:01] forth we being the Conservation [00:52:03] Commission with the land [00:52:04] trust with respect to conserving some of [00:52:07] these properties um and we have several [00:52:11] conservation restrictions that you are [00:52:14] aware of that you helped us approve and [00:52:16] signed off on before and that's what [00:52:19] this request is um I [00:52:23] can sit here not standing right in your [00:52:26] face and [00:52:28] um hang on I [00:52:31] can give you a little bit of background [00:52:34] so it's 34.5 Acres um there are some [00:52:37] maps here if you want [00:52:40] to I don't think the Restriction itself [00:52:43] had any Maps but yeah we have well we [00:52:45] have some in in what was in well this [00:52:47] will show you where it is it's actually [00:52:49] it's just down Downstream slightly from [00:52:52] the town's wheelrite sewage treatment [00:52:54] plant and the sosus property which has [00:52:57] already conserved land around this [00:52:58] sewage treatment plant this particular [00:53:01] piece is between the uh the rail grade [00:53:04] the rail trail and the river itself [00:53:07] doesn't have any road Frontage it's [00:53:09] River flood plane and a good bit of [00:53:11] wetland and it provides a great [00:53:13] opportunity really for access to the [00:53:15] river for not off of Rebel's hit street [00:53:19] is this off the rebel Street um believe [00:53:21] it or not it's not really off any Street [00:53:24] um [00:53:26] ursul it is the Rosen property and so [00:53:29] here's what it looks like there's no [00:53:31] there's no Road there's no road that I [00:53:34] can see that goes directly to it no it's [00:53:37] the railroad right away right that's the [00:53:39] rail grade yeah and the river nice and [00:53:42] the river so it's really a great [00:53:44] opportunity the the land trust already [00:53:48] already owns it but we've worked [00:53:50] together in cooperation with the land [00:53:52] trust to have the town holds certain [00:53:54] conservation [00:53:56] restrictions um kind of as a team effort [00:53:58] in Partnership and that's what this [00:54:00] would be so the Conservation Commission [00:54:02] voted to approve this ourselves and add [00:54:05] this to the several properties that we [00:54:07] already have this agreement on and now [00:54:09] it's coming to you for your approval and [00:54:12] signature [00:54:15] um and I'm happy to answer questions [00:54:21] um I have a few pieces of info like it [00:54:23] includes 20 700 ft of Frontage along the [00:54:27] we River priority wildlife habitat [00:54:30] Wetlands pieces of river Oxbow um [00:54:34] there's a walking trail that already [00:54:37] exists [00:54:39] um [00:54:41] and again if you have any questions that [00:54:43] I could help with [00:54:45] I'd be happy to answer if I [00:54:50] can that's a lovely piece of [00:54:54] ground [00:55:03] i' seek a motion to accept [00:55:06] this Mo to accept the conservation [00:55:10] restriction on this [00:55:12] property but do you have the book [00:55:16] in because street [00:55:22] address we do have it in here P some on [00:55:26] this [00:55:30] page is on the FR [00:55:34] page I may be able to find that let's [00:55:47] see you know I'm I'm pretty sure that [00:55:50] one of those [00:55:52] pages may have it let me check [00:55:56] I'm finding that [00:55:58] here it's plan book [00:56:01] 957 page 44 registry that sounds right [00:56:06] I'll second [00:56:08] that further [00:56:11] discussion all in favor [00:56:16] I I don't you guys thank you Mr [00:56:21] zinny thank [00:56:23] you is that okay [00:56:25] [Music] [00:56:27] enough um annual [00:56:35] renewals um how do you want to do that [00:56:40] you need to go through each one and say [00:56:43] what it is [00:56:47] sure so everybody's applications were [00:56:50] complete those are liquor oh you going [00:56:53] to start with that okay oh sure I gu [00:56:58] okay so I would make a motion to renew [00:57:02] hardwood Crossing in worker license for [00:57:09] 2024 would you want me to list them [00:57:11] all um yeah I you want to do it that way [00:57:15] okay go ahead so I'll make a motion to [00:57:18] renew the following liquor licenses for [00:57:20] 2024 Hardwick Crossing Inc um Hardwick [00:57:24] hous Pizza [00:57:27] ink John samic Hardwick Vineyard in [00:57:30] Winery [00:57:32] LLC hardw work rot and Gun Club ink [00:57:36] Eagle Hill School Foundation [00:57:38] Massachusetts [00:57:39] ink Hardwick market and Package [00:57:46] Store D [00:57:49] dctf cor old old furnace yeah Old [00:57:53] Furnace General Store um Mimi's Coffee [00:57:57] House of Hardwick South Barry rotting [00:58:00] gun [00:58:01] club that's it same that oh there's [00:58:04] another one hold up yeah last Town [00:58:06] growing [00:58:10] company and then those are just like [00:58:12] your licenses that's [00:58:14] second okay [00:58:16] discussion all in [00:58:21] favor so is it just this for yeah the [00:58:25] the [00:58:26] backup is there the Eric went through [00:58:29] already and they are all complete as [00:58:32] well just the licenses are there okay [00:58:35] got you got um I just don't Mr CH want [00:58:38] to bring up old [00:58:41] business um [00:58:43] the site affordable cars and the class [00:58:47] two license um the police conducted a [00:58:52] site visit and wrote up a report that [00:58:54] you all should have and they're right [00:58:57] next to you as [00:58:58] well um you know [00:59:01] and they found 53 vehicles um in some [00:59:05] parts and nobody was on site at the [00:59:08] time um and then later that [00:59:12] day the next day he he did make contact [00:59:16] with Brian Gillespie and um he wanted to [00:59:20] reviews review the Vehicle Record book [00:59:24] um and he said he hasn't sold any cars [00:59:27] this year so um you know it's in the [00:59:30] report uh and you also had had the last [00:59:33] month you know all of the [00:59:35] pictures and um you know with the [00:59:38] complaint did you read the [00:59:41] report yeah we have a board of health [00:59:43] too Board of Health Report from last [00:59:47] year [00:59:49] um [00:59:52] not Mr [00:59:56] uh yes sir um could I be recognized to [00:59:59] address uh the issue you're talking [01:00:01] about and a few other open issues [01:00:03] regarding affordable cars from last [01:00:06] meeting um let me make sure that we're [01:00:08] done discussing thank you uh [01:00:14] this I think uh I think it's a [01:00:17] junkyard I I actually w't buy it this [01:00:20] weekend and was kind of surprised at how [01:00:23] many vehicles are actually there yeah I [01:00:25] think with the police report of you know [01:00:27] so many partials [01:00:30] and so the question is is something that [01:00:33] goes back to the zoning board of appeals [01:00:38] because they issue planning board issues [01:00:42] the [01:00:42] license and once you go to the zoning [01:00:45] board of appeals if you had an issue [01:00:48] with licensing Authority I think we LIC [01:00:52] we license them well we LIC but the [01:00:55] permitting of the business special of [01:00:59] the business the special permit goes [01:01:01] back to adbis so that's that's in my [01:01:05] mind that's almost problematic but but I [01:01:08] think if it's a junkyard all the permits [01:01:11] and it's not what [01:01:14] we're about use cars not [01:01:18] junkyard not sure I'm comfortable [01:01:20] renewing his [01:01:23] permit [01:01:25] with you I mean it's it's it's been an [01:01:28] issue it has been it's been ongoing if [01:01:30] you haven't sold a car this year correct [01:01:33] and that's what that's what it is for [01:01:35] sir would you like to speak uh yes Mr [01:01:38] chairman uh Jim St and I'm uh one of the [01:01:41] owners of uh 2089 greenw Road uh where [01:01:46] Mr gesy leases a commercial building on [01:01:49] site and [01:01:51] um one thing I'd like to do is at the [01:01:54] last me meeting there was a uh attorney [01:01:56] general's investigative report that I uh [01:01:59] released to your uh board and one of the [01:02:03] uh complaints on file was elgible [01:02:05] because it was a handwritten document [01:02:07] and it was copied and scanned and it uh [01:02:10] it was missing a lot of verbage in the [01:02:12] details and tonight we have uh the [01:02:16] grandmother here who wrote that uh [01:02:18] complaint to the Attorney General's [01:02:20] office for her uh granddaughter and a a [01:02:24] i' like to ask that you allow her to [01:02:26] speak to present exactly what happened [01:02:28] in her case and um I also have a [01:02:32] supporting document for some statements [01:02:34] Mr uh gesy made at the last meeting [01:02:38] where he said he issued a uh legal [01:02:41] notice to myself and my son Andrew [01:02:43] regarding 15 unregistered cars that were [01:02:46] left on site uh by the uh at B State and [01:02:52] I had a legal a document that we [01:02:54] received that the closing for the [01:02:55] property an e stopple uh that document [01:02:59] gives both the previous owner and the Le [01:03:02] to declare anything that's different [01:03:05] from the lease that's stated in the [01:03:06] lease to declare it in that document and [01:03:09] there's only one vehicle called out in [01:03:11] that document it was a red Ford pickup [01:03:14] truck that was Ed B asses and it was [01:03:17] given to Brian gesy uh titled free and [01:03:20] clear with the understanding that he [01:03:22] would maintain and the access Ro and he [01:03:27] doesn't even do that okay well and I'm [01:03:30] sure you have prepared carefully but [01:03:34] we're uh I don't know I mean it he's not [01:03:38] here to answer any [01:03:42] further um I would like to hear [01:03:45] from uh man if you wouldd like to speak [01:03:49] to [01:03:50] this I'm Sue Jameson I live in hamy [01:03:53] Massachusetts [01:03:56] my granddaughter um needed a car for [01:03:59] college she's in college in New [01:04:02] Hampshire [01:04:03] and we purchased that [01:04:06] car um in October of [01:04:11] 21 and within 100 [01:04:15] miles was [01:04:17] $5,500 within 100 miles the car [01:04:21] died and we called G be and oh yeah [01:04:25] we'll fix it we'll do this we'll do that [01:04:27] well we didn't hear from him and so [01:04:29] finally he said just get it up here well [01:04:32] we ended up having it towed up there to [01:04:36] Hardwick um he kept it [01:04:40] forever he said it's not off the trunk [01:04:42] yet it's not this it's not that it needs [01:04:44] a battery it needs this an alternator so [01:04:47] finally my son-in-law said if it's [01:04:49] battery in alternated just get it back [01:04:51] to us and we will take care of it well [01:04:54] we live on an end Dead End Street in [01:04:56] Hampton with no lights my daughter was [01:04:59] coming up the road in the dark and darn [01:05:02] there hit it they dumped it [01:05:04] off in front of our neighbor's house [01:05:06] sort of in the middle of the [01:05:10] road we had to tow it over to our yard [01:05:13] we had a mechanic look at it the engine [01:05:16] had completely seized up there was a [01:05:19] belt looked like a new belt that was [01:05:22] cut like with scissors it wasn't worn it [01:05:26] was cut uh the back end was damaged I [01:05:30] mean he and we tried I I sent a letter [01:05:34] to the guy who bought the car it was we [01:05:37] didn't realize at the time it was a [01:05:41] um Consignment [01:05:43] Consignment and uh we heard that he [01:05:46] wasn't supposed to be selling [01:05:47] Consignment [01:05:48] cars and [01:05:51] uh he refused to have any other dealings [01:05:55] with us [01:05:56] um he [01:06:00] um I sent a [01:06:02] letter to the name of the guy who bought [01:06:06] it never heard [01:06:07] anything um my granddaughter saved [01:06:12] $5500 she she got it from her uncle who [01:06:15] just recently died and that money is [01:06:18] gone now [01:06:21] and all right um I'm sorry they we're [01:06:25] off our um I mean we're beyond our [01:06:28] purview it sounds like a matter for [01:06:32] civil [01:06:34] complaints um I appreciate with you [01:06:37] coming down here and speaking about this [01:06:39] uh I think all we can do is is Grant him [01:06:43] a license to continue or not and uh if I [01:06:48] may I think we're [01:06:53] there I mean it's just no action isn't [01:06:56] it prob you take no so I I can read [01:07:00] these that we're going to renew and set [01:07:02] that one as side do we want to make a [01:07:05] motion not to or do we just leave it [01:07:09] make motion not to [01:07:12] remove is it just GES no I can read [01:07:17] you so um all right so first I will I [01:07:21] will make a motion not to renew Daniel [01:07:24] hery Brian glesby Edward mcru Ashley K K [01:07:29] owners DBA affordable cars for [01:07:34] 2024 second [01:07:37] discussion all in favor I all so we've [01:07:42] we declined his license to operate thank [01:07:47] you very much yes major uh Andrew St [01:07:49] laen also co-owner of 2089 grenwich Road [01:07:52] he's actually operating businesses down [01:07:54] there there's that too there's there's a [01:07:56] lot of a lot of weirdness here s we just [01:07:59] have this license that's all we can do [01:08:02] and we did and we'll see where it goes [01:08:04] from here okay thank and we'll be in [01:08:08] touch anytime anything happens with you [01:08:11] guys including you ma'am I'm sorry we [01:08:14] can't make it [01:08:15] right no my son-in-law said that you [01:08:18] know we'd love to get our money back [01:08:20] we're going to take it to court we'd [01:08:22] love to get our money back but he wanted [01:08:24] to see this jerk's license re uh removed [01:08:28] yeah he said I'll be happy if they take [01:08:30] his license because he really stuff it [01:08:32] to [01:08:33] us well now he's uh right well we'll see [01:08:37] where it goes from here thank you so [01:08:40] much a pleasure I suppose thank you [01:08:43] thanks for [01:08:45] coming all right so now I'll make a [01:08:47] motion to renew the following [01:08:51] um I guess I'll say uh [01:08:55] are uh motor vehicle junk license Class [01:08:58] 3 for Leo tus DBA LNS used auto parts [01:09:02] and Leo oi DBA LJ oi [01:09:08] repair these are different so I don't [01:09:10] know if you want me to just keep reading [01:09:12] okay and uh use car deal a license Class [01:09:16] 2 to buy and sell secondhand Motor [01:09:18] Vehicles Gary Gagney DBA gagne's garage [01:09:22] use car deal a license uh Class 2 to buy [01:09:24] and sell second he Motor Vehicles James [01:09:27] Regan Regan's repair motor vehicle junk [01:09:30] license Class 3 Charles late and Howard [01:09:33] Lane DBA lnl Associates use car dealer [01:09:37] license class two to buy and sell second [01:09:39] here Motor Vehicles Charles late and Hoy [01:09:42] Lane DBA lnl Associates and use car used [01:09:48] car dealer license Class 2 to buy and [01:09:50] sell second here Motor Vehicles George [01:09:52] Riley DBA motor Specialties [01:09:56] company second [01:09:58] discussion all in favor [01:10:04] I have to sign on don't run [01:10:13] away all [01:10:16] right do have an [01:10:22] abatement [01:10:31] the [01:10:32] 77 it's for the four Apartments um the [01:10:35] street the backup is in that Manilla [01:10:37] folder and the house has been sold so [01:10:39] hopefully it's now going to be finished [01:10:41] and rented [01:10:43] out there's a Year's worth of uh [01:10:46] electric bills in here for nothing for [01:10:50] minimum um I would make a motion to [01:10:55] upate 440 442 444 446 Main Street [01:11:00] Gilbertville in the amount of [01:11:02] 77176 second all in favor [01:11:08] all other new [01:11:16] business I have okay glad today uh I got [01:11:21] an email from the highway department [01:11:24] they had a second interview and the [01:11:26] person can actually start tomorrow so [01:11:29] they would like you to um approve the [01:11:32] recommendation of um Leo jillson yeah [01:11:37] 1940 and then if he get hydraulics will [01:11:41] go to 2040 yes yeah laori H actually did [01:11:44] call me here if you want to use that for [01:11:46] the motion fact that he can start [01:11:48] tomorrow [01:11:52] yeah are you good if I make a motion [01:11:54] that's not in the packet cuz that came [01:11:56] to me today so you there's here's one [01:11:58] here if you want um she gave me four of [01:12:00] them [01:12:12] today I would make a motion to [01:12:15] um have the highway department hire Leo [01:12:19] jillson starting at 1940 an hour when he [01:12:22] gets his Hydraulics license at his own [01:12:24] expense it will go up to 2040 an hour um [01:12:28] with a start [01:12:30] date of tomorrow essentially [01:12:33] 12223 [01:12:36] second thank you all in favor all [01:12:43] I I'd uh since we're appointing this has [01:12:48] something to do that with that um last [01:12:52] meeting we talked about Ned Kelly's [01:12:54] resignation and we voted to put that [01:12:58] vacancy on the [01:13:00] ballot um this is for the library right [01:13:03] for the Page Memorial Library so since [01:13:06] then we had a meeting of the uh Trustees [01:13:10] of that library in full disclosure I'm [01:13:12] the chair there too um we uh did [01:13:17] received a letter from Jenna [01:13:19] Garvey uh I'm writing on behalf of the [01:13:22] Page Memorial Library Board of Trustees [01:13:24] to officially inform you that due to [01:13:26] trustee Ned Kelly's recent resignation [01:13:30] we have an open seat on the board U Ryan [01:13:34] specified that we needed to [01:13:37] formally uh let us know about that um at [01:13:41] our meeting on December 7th the trustees [01:13:44] reviewed a letter we received from Stacy [01:13:46] Hill asking to be appointed to fill this [01:13:49] empty seat on the board until the next [01:13:51] town election where an official vote [01:13:53] will fill the seat uh to fill the seat [01:13:56] will take place the Board of Trustees [01:13:58] respectfully requests that the select [01:14:00] board at its earliest convenience [01:14:03] conduct a joint appointment with our [01:14:04] board so that Miss Hill can fill in and [01:14:07] serve as an interim [01:14:09] trustee now um the clerk suggests that [01:14:13] we we won't be dealing with this until [01:14:16] January and that we post it on the [01:14:19] website to see if anybody else is [01:14:21] interested it's only one appoint one [01:14:24] vacancy but and Miss Hill was there at [01:14:29] our meeting but uh In fairness we should [01:14:31] put it out there so that's [01:14:35] fine call yeah all right good and then [01:14:39] we just we can make that official in [01:14:41] January yeah if no one else shows [01:14:44] interest or it should be a joint meeting [01:14:46] oh okay between the board of the [01:14:49] trustees and select board so they'd come [01:14:51] in here at meeting first January meeting [01:14:54] okay is okay yeah that's [01:14:57] fine right Mr chairman one thing yes um [01:15:03] we were contacted by a company Matrix I [01:15:06] know Kelly knows much more about it than [01:15:08] I do um and they serve as cable um and [01:15:13] they are requesting to um give us some [01:15:16] information to service um parts of [01:15:19] Spring Hill Road and then maybe the [01:15:21] shoots off of that road [01:15:23] because Comcast isn't out there so [01:15:26] there's there's no cable right so the [01:15:29] way they get internet is I don't even [01:15:31] know like satellite or something so um [01:15:33] tomorrow he's going to send me all of [01:15:35] the information to give to you at the [01:15:37] meeting in January with all the cost and [01:15:40] things like that yeah perfect yep now [01:15:42] Spring Hill Road is [01:15:44] very comes into Road North Road becomes [01:15:49] n Road turns into Spring Hill at the [01:15:51] Town Line Matrix did the build out in [01:15:54] Peters Sam they were a completely [01:15:56] unserved town at the time [01:15:58] and we initially went to um MBI and when [01:16:05] we got our second Grant to build out the [01:16:07] rest of Hardware we wanted MRI and we [01:16:10] couldn't have them yeah so well I and [01:16:14] I'm all for it they were great to work [01:16:15] with you know until we got the no you [01:16:18] have contast but we can't approve up [01:16:23] poll hearing for [01:16:25] Barry yeah we'd have to just get more [01:16:28] information from him as to what it [01:16:30] entails there would be yeah he there [01:16:31] would be no more no uh more polls put up [01:16:35] it would be going on the Verizon um and [01:16:39] the other one Verizon and so they're [01:16:41] just so they would just expand they [01:16:44] would just extend they would need to get [01:16:45] those permits themselves that's not on [01:16:47] us well it's in Spring Hills in Barry [01:16:50] that's on I'm and the grant is he's [01:16:52] probably [01:16:55] thinking where it continues into into [01:16:57] Hardwick or he wants to take it from [01:16:59] Hardwick into Spring Hill I don't know I [01:17:02] havek no he's they they already have the [01:17:04] agreement with Barry so they're already [01:17:06] doing it over there right and then [01:17:08] there's a grant that we could go for [01:17:09] that closes in April so this this isn't [01:17:12] um something that's pressing right now [01:17:14] so I can have that information for you [01:17:16] at the next meeting maybe even have him [01:17:17] here uh if I think that it's really [01:17:20] worth it I don't know what it's going to [01:17:21] cost I don't know anything about it I [01:17:23] mean it's absolutely [01:17:25] brand no idea how that goes but it's [01:17:28] good to learn about it [01:17:31] so [01:17:33] um meeting [01:17:36] minutes uh meet minutes [01:17:40] approve I'm good you want to Mo I need [01:17:44] to ask [01:17:46] for a small amendment to [01:17:50] U November 27th [01:17:54] uh on the last page select board Round [01:17:58] Table uh EV wanted to thank l Grant [01:18:01] electric for their help in obtaining a [01:18:03] working generator at the [01:18:06] firehouse u i did specify it's not noted [01:18:10] here that we receiv that generator as a [01:18:13] gift from Eagle Hill school so I'd like [01:18:16] to add that in the record cuz it was [01:18:19] really l Grant and Eagle Hill that made [01:18:22] it all happen [01:18:23] and the [01:18:27] chief shelter and everything [01:18:32] so thank you otherwise no problem no you [01:18:37] weren't at the other one [01:18:41] so yeah I would make a motion to approve [01:18:46] the meeting minutes from November 27th [01:18:48] 2023 with the addition of the comment [01:18:51] that Eric just made to the selectman [01:18:54] round table [01:18:56] section second vote all in favor I I [01:19:01] would also make a motion to approve the [01:19:03] meeting minutes from September 26 [01:19:07] 2022 [01:19:08] second all in favor I I [01:19:15] I now I my [01:19:19] [Applause] [01:19:21] agenda old [01:19:27] business discussion of affordable [01:19:31] cars discussion regarding fire chief [01:19:33] replacement due to [01:19:36] retirement um what [01:19:38] we do have to do is formally notify the [01:19:44] State Fire Marshal that we I would like [01:19:49] to highly recommend that we appoint Josh [01:19:53] as an interim Fire Fire Chief and notify [01:19:57] the State Fire Marshal because the chief [01:20:00] goes out on the [01:20:01] 21st so that's 10 days away and then we [01:20:06] can deal with how it's working out at a [01:20:09] later [01:20:10] date um but the as far as I can tell [01:20:13] from talking to the chief they need to [01:20:16] know for a legal little [01:20:21] legal [01:20:25] make [01:20:27] that chairman may just I mean so for [01:20:31] your [01:20:32] knowledge uh Josh has been on about 14 [01:20:35] years I think on the FR last few years [01:20:40] uh because you know trying to talk to [01:20:42] him into taking my place he actually [01:20:45] with the Fire Marshal's consent he [01:20:47] actually has to have classes he has to [01:20:50] have uh you know criteria have to be met [01:20:54] which he's done those classes and [01:20:57] there's online classes so I'm just [01:21:00] saying his appointment from the fire [01:21:02] Marshall's office should not be an issue [01:21:04] it shouldn't be any problem he should be [01:21:06] SE it is my guess just the fact that he [01:21:10] has completed the necessary steps as for [01:21:14] PR's [01:21:18] position yeah a [01:21:20] question the rate p type in whatever you [01:21:23] want to call it in the vehicle yeah [01:21:27] those the only things I can think of [01:21:28] right now well you have to [01:21:31] okay I mean I [01:21:36] think well I'm not sure I don't know I [01:21:39] just yep if it should be the same pay [01:21:43] I'm not sure I'm comfortable with [01:21:46] that well [01:21:49] um this we can there certainly a [01:21:53] conversation we need to have we can do [01:21:56] that now [01:21:58] or well we should probably mean [01:22:02] fig budget too we got figure out what we [01:22:05] have left in that [01:22:07] budget probably about 15 because he he [01:22:12] was around 32 and it's been half the [01:22:14] year so I don't I should have gotten it [01:22:17] but I didn't but it's probably around [01:22:19] that I don't know [01:22:23] I mean re's been doing it a long time [01:22:26] that's gradually gone up for him for a [01:22:28] long you know over the course of a long [01:22:31] time yeah we have to come up with a well [01:22:34] and I've U earlier I suggested to him [01:22:38] that he didn't need to come in to our [01:22:40] meeting because I felt that we were [01:22:42] going to talk about it in general terms [01:22:44] I didn't really think yeah this one [01:22:46] might have been it was like a job [01:22:48] application we could I mean we so we [01:22:51] certainly could do that that at some [01:22:53] point or we do a monthly [01:22:56] stien for now I mean the problem is he's [01:22:59] not here to agree upon it pick up $1,000 [01:23:03] or 500 a month till there is an intern [01:23:06] Chief as inum yeah you know and then and [01:23:10] then see how it goes and then that will [01:23:14] put us kind of in line with budgeting [01:23:16] for July [01:23:18] anyway as far as him you know what I [01:23:20] mean yeah and by us the uh clerk [01:23:25] specified that by us doing this PO [01:23:28] pointing him it would be up in June 30 [01:23:31] on June 30th is it right is it correct [01:23:34] the position so uh I don't know it's a I [01:23:39] don't I don't want to negotiate his pay [01:23:42] without pres well can we have him at the [01:23:45] next one and and you know if we owe them [01:23:47] something then we owe them if we don't [01:23:49] you know what I mean like does that make [01:23:51] sense put a dollar value to it just so [01:23:54] because it is a [01:23:56] job we want to put just give a basic [01:23:59] dollar value and knowing that we're [01:24:01] going to then we can change we meet with [01:24:03] them we're going to change it just so [01:24:05] well it's not going to it wouldn't take [01:24:07] effect until almost January anyway right [01:24:11] so if we dealt with it at our first [01:24:13] meeting which is what date in [01:24:18] January second Monday do we meet first [01:24:22] the cheap Sal still obviously be there [01:24:25] in the budget eight so just some month [01:24:28] so I think we could catch up on the next [01:24:32] pay cycle I'm sure for what he's been [01:24:34] making the last couple years that's what [01:24:36] I mean it's not so let's have him in the [01:24:39] next meeting to disc I just don't want [01:24:41] to create an issue if did something like [01:24:44] that yeah I would say let's let's have [01:24:47] him next time [01:24:49] and okay but we need a a motion to to [01:24:53] appoint him and him chief for now right [01:24:56] move the appoint Josh P as intome fire [01:25:01] chief [01:25:03] second [01:25:06] discussion that all in [01:25:08] favor thank [01:25:10] you all right so we're covered yes [01:25:13] Chief um hopefully next week I'll top it [01:25:16] off uh some information from the Cole on [01:25:20] where we stand on some more of the [01:25:21] hydrants one of the guys been working on [01:25:24] uh you know flowing hydrants and moving [01:25:26] up stuff and found that we have a couple [01:25:29] more so I think now we're up to six back [01:25:31] to six nonworking [01:25:33] hydrants one of them up on High Street I [01:25:36] think it was that's very similar for the [01:25:38] one down the center where the hydrant is [01:25:41] wiggling so it's snapped off down below [01:25:44] in the barrel yeah that's what the one [01:25:46] down here at the senior center is so my [01:25:49] guess it probably during winter time or [01:25:51] something that smack or you know back [01:25:53] into or [01:25:56] something and then you know so yeah [01:25:59] we're back up to six perfect so you have [01:26:02] an inventory of all the [01:26:06] hydrants next week everybody can see [01:26:10] Service uh yeah what about this truck oh [01:26:16] well I I think the rake could drive it [01:26:19] for the next 10 days of course I [01:26:25] then we'll uh then Eric can drive it [01:26:28] yeah then I'll drive it for the rest of [01:26:29] the year well that's [01:26:33] fine uh I don't know uh I mean back at [01:26:37] the I mean I just don't know I mean [01:26:39] you're right [01:26:40] here Josh [01:26:43] works right so I mean next town [01:26:48] over I mean well so we need to specify [01:26:52] um we need to come up with a [01:26:54] policy for Town vehicles on private time [01:26:58] or something so all the contracts do [01:27:01] have that in it but I think we probably [01:27:03] have to write up a contract for him too [01:27:05] and we have to have a Personnel meeting [01:27:07] pretty soon we're going to do we need to [01:27:09] have that anyway that's long overdue so [01:27:12] I'd kick back down the road and let the [01:27:14] ray drive it until he's not the chief [01:27:17] anymore and then park it yeah okay and [01:27:20] then we can figure out what we're going [01:27:21] to do I would I would assume probably [01:27:24] that he would probably keep at his house [01:27:25] but that when he's you know a home [01:27:28] available he has it to run off with [01:27:30] obviously going to work for the very BD [01:27:33] I think the way he was talking before he [01:27:35] was going to leave it [01:27:37] home or get do you actually carry stuff [01:27:41] in there that you need at a scene yes [01:27:43] yeah so [01:27:46] being yeah we'll talk to him because he [01:27:49] kind of should it's something has to be [01:27:51] worked out yeah if he's working nearby [01:27:54] he should have it with him well yeah if [01:27:58] he's if he's policing is he responding [01:28:01] to our [01:28:02] fire I mean what comes from you know [01:28:05] that's [01:28:07] his well I know this was a little bit of [01:28:09] my concern to begin with because that is [01:28:12] also an important job so I just [01:28:15] feel if I was the town of Barry I would [01:28:18] want him policing not responding I guess [01:28:22] that was my thinking so that's what [01:28:23] makes me a little hesitant I don't think [01:28:25] he can unless he sets up calling yeah [01:28:29] for back up at his end so that somebody [01:28:32] fills in yeah so I would think but [01:28:34] that's all stuff that we can talk to him [01:28:36] about yeah okay perfect yeah I don't [01:28:38] again I didn't invite him here well [01:28:41] actually I did tonight but he had [01:28:43] already that's okay so we'll talk let [01:28:46] get them in on January and figure [01:28:48] everything out at least at least we can [01:28:50] let the Fire Marshall know yep yeah [01:28:52] we're covered now we're [01:28:55] covered okay [01:29:01] good thank [01:29:10] you weting rob inter police CH is that [01:29:15] you're I'll walk [01:29:17] home he's like no don't do me a favor I [01:29:21] used to be skinny W great [01:29:24] here more [01:29:27] here [01:29:28] um committee [01:29:31] reports any committees want to [01:29:35] report [01:29:37] excellent Len's correspondence Town [01:29:39] Administrator [01:29:42] report uh so [01:29:44] the so the um USDA project is updated [01:29:48] here again is on the web page as well on [01:29:50] the wastewater treatment PL page um the [01:29:53] only thing I guess to note is that the [01:29:57] new drainage work that needs to be done [01:30:00] very very soon um was uh proposed by [01:30:05] richardi at about [01:30:07] $32,000 so I reached out to Marty first [01:30:11] of all I want Marty to go out there with [01:30:13] him to the to the field and make sure [01:30:16] that he's okay with what they want you [01:30:18] know what kind of drainage they want to [01:30:19] put in and then I said you know if the [01:30:23] highway can do it you know if we can do [01:30:26] it [01:30:27] ourselves and save some money which [01:30:29] would still come out of the sewer Bud [01:30:32] sewer budget but maybe by the highway [01:30:35] doing it without per wage Etc you could [01:30:38] save some money I said but you know [01:30:39] obviously if you can't you can't I don't [01:30:41] know if this is a [01:30:43] possibility you can do [01:30:45] that I don't [01:30:47] know I asked Marty and Mart so Marty's [01:30:50] going to meet him out there I think [01:30:51] because it's an ongoing project and it's [01:30:53] considered a change order I think Rob's [01:30:55] right okay well I mean we got to spend [01:30:57] it we got to spend it I just thought you [01:30:59] know cuz I know Marty can do it and we [01:31:01] don't have to pay them prevailing wage [01:31:03] but and richardi I I reached out to [01:31:06] Justin and I think that's where it [01:31:07] becomes stff yeah this is where it comes [01:31:10] into back to having oversight that that [01:31:15] piece of information shouldn't have been [01:31:16] this that we didn't have a when they [01:31:18] moved from one site to another if we had [01:31:21] someone over we seeing that on our end [01:31:23] it would saw that they forgot to adjust [01:31:26] the driveway detail to include the [01:31:29] drainage feature but in the plan it does [01:31:33] say that that that open air sell has to [01:31:36] be maintained it's in the plan that in [01:31:39] their plan this say it has to be [01:31:41] maintained it's never been maintained [01:31:42] since they started working [01:31:44] there so I I see a few issues there but [01:31:48] I don't want to sound like an an upset [01:31:51] contract to look another the contract is [01:31:54] well I mean that's it would be very [01:31:55] helpful for for us for me to know that [01:31:57] though because I can address it [01:31:59] immediately with the engineering [01:32:01] firm well I mean some of the the [01:32:04] pictures you sent me from the back [01:32:05] filling of the pipe the pipe supposed to [01:32:07] be bedded first it says written in the [01:32:09] plan embedded and then the pipe's [01:32:11] supposed to be laid and then it's [01:32:13] supposed to be covered a lot of the pipe [01:32:15] was [01:32:16] beded okay so I mean that's a big issue [01:32:19] they they should they should have we you [01:32:21] should have stopped them right there [01:32:23] right that's that's you got to be on [01:32:25] site you got to be that's up to your [01:32:27] inspector on site I don't know how bad [01:32:30] it is I'm looking at pictures so I'm [01:32:33] looking at a snapshot of something that [01:32:36] that you [01:32:39] know well if you I mean if you do have [01:32:42] any of those concerns it would be really [01:32:43] really great for me to know them [01:32:45] immediately because I will call DPC [01:32:47] immediately and either get the answer [01:32:50] or yeah there's a bunch of them uh bing [01:32:54] a pipe I mean I'm just I've only worked [01:32:57] low man putting in septic systems for [01:33:00] you know I don't know a long time and [01:33:02] Bing a pipe is is absolutely [01:33:07] basic but maybe it is and the can see [01:33:11] from that angle I don't you know so we I [01:33:14] would have been able to at least get the [01:33:15] answer but [01:33:17] it's little rocks in [01:33:20] there especially in the soil and then it [01:33:23] the material that goes above it is [01:33:25] supposed to be certain material and it's [01:33:26] all you know it's all in the spec um but [01:33:30] this is why you you hire [01:33:33] oversight it's not something that Scott [01:33:36] can do it's not something you can do [01:33:38] it's definitely not something I can do [01:33:39] but I can facilitate things getting done [01:33:41] if I know about them that's for sure [01:33:43] well you don't know stop somebody points [01:33:46] it out right and here our oversight was [01:33:50] him looking at pictures so you know I [01:33:52] mean that's that's okay you can't be [01:33:55] everywhere you can't see no I I mean I [01:33:57] just if I did I would have brought it up [01:33:59] before they even covered anything you [01:34:00] know to say it's it's being done but um [01:34:05] so there's [01:34:07] that the evip stations the electric [01:34:10] vehicle stations are in installed [01:34:12] they're not online yet they will be this [01:34:14] week when the uh final higher supervisor [01:34:18] comes [01:34:19] out um and I have documents for you to [01:34:22] sign for the Green community grant for [01:34:24] the weather [01:34:25] weatherization still working on the 23 [01:34:27] audit hope I mean we should have it done [01:34:29] very soon we have to have done by the [01:34:31] 31st so and um I sent out the peer [01:34:34] review at RFP and I've sent it out to [01:34:38] four four plan holders have it so four [01:34:41] people have asked for the bids and their [01:34:44] due Wednesday the 20th because I was [01:34:46] doing all this with advertising dates [01:34:49] for the state so I will bring every [01:34:51] everything to you guys on your first [01:34:53] meeting in [01:34:54] January whoever we get to [01:34:56] respond excellent then we can go over [01:34:59] them and then we can see if we want to [01:35:00] call somebody [01:35:02] in [01:35:04] and all right is that it for you yeah [01:35:07] other than um I I just wanted to [01:35:10] recognize that we've gotten calls emails [01:35:13] and even a couple of cards [01:35:15] thanking everybody for the point at us [01:35:18] so those are still those thank yous are [01:35:20] still coming in from people [01:35:24] Mr [01:35:26] chair yes Chief yeah um before I forgot [01:35:30] I just thought of it U if you wouldn't [01:35:33] mind maybe you could be send out a [01:35:35] letter also uh thank you or whatever you [01:35:39] want to call it to Frank Frank is also [01:35:42] going to be done with the fire uhhuh hon [01:35:46] and he's got to be getting close up to [01:35:50] my ear you say 48 49 years service yeah [01:35:55] guess yeah I mean I was on a few more [01:35:58] years before a PR [01:36:00] so I'm going to guess [01:36:03] he 489 [01:36:06] maybe I'd like to have a big uh to-do [01:36:10] yeah uh to thank you for your service [01:36:13] and you for your service and Frank also [01:36:17] but I wanted to wait till you were [01:36:18] actually retired yeah no that's fine I [01:36:21] cuz I didn't know yeah I just you a [01:36:24] letter or something to Frank that was [01:36:25] all thanking him for we should do one to [01:36:28] Mr B gun too the same same [01:36:34] animal all right um [01:36:38] almost anybody else just me I'm lose uh [01:36:43] I do have uh one thing to share with the [01:36:45] are we at the select board round table [01:36:48] it's your meeting uh [01:36:52] you want uh [01:36:54] okay um the uh Roof System at the Old [01:37:00] Town Hall at the townhouse is uh being [01:37:06] repaired and we some we [01:37:08] had said to do it and the uh estimate [01:37:12] was [01:37:13] $77,000 and they're up there working on [01:37:16] it they were up there today and um Lee [01:37:20] found another r after there's cracked [01:37:23] longitudinally uh Mr coric went up there [01:37:27] um and I said yes fix it and it's not [01:37:31] supposed to go over an additional [01:37:33] $2,000 but there it is it's in [01:37:39] motion thanks [01:37:44] for call [01:37:46] [Applause] [01:37:50] you [01:37:55] was anything [01:37:58] else yeah signatures and approvals [01:38:01] that's what we're doing now well appar [01:38:04] you are signing uh this is um to [01:38:09] sign to the assessors from the select [01:38:11] board to tell them to um collect [01:38:15] outstanding 2023 Hardwick Water and [01:38:18] Sewer bills FY 23 FY for to the real [01:38:22] estate [01:38:22] bills so they can add all of these do [01:38:27] you need a motion for that or just um I [01:38:29] don't think we need a motion though just [01:38:31] need [01:38:34] y um and then this is the Green [01:38:36] community grant that you already [01:38:40] approved but I didn't have it for you to [01:38:42] sign so if you just want to it's just [01:38:45] one person so if Eric just wants to sign [01:38:47] this [01:38:49] agreement and [01:38:51] then we [01:38:53] have [01:38:56] warrant that me a long time ago when we [01:39:00] first when I first started for [01:39:02] efficiency we decided that the chair and [01:39:04] I would review the warrant and approve [01:39:07] it each week and that has happened [01:39:11] except some I don't have approvals for [01:39:13] signatures for when Rob was chair and I [01:39:16] just have the one from from um the last [01:39:19] one for Eric to sign [01:39:28] being I keep [01:39:30] forget on [01:39:34] TV don't think about it might mess up [01:39:37] your [01:39:38] game us to do L of [01:39:40] theater here you go [01:39:43] sir sir I'm [01:39:46] just [01:39:49] sure at least [01:39:55] we do have an application that is [01:39:57] absolutely not complete it's actually I [01:40:00] couldn't even call it an application but [01:40:02] Mimi wants to do all alcohol so she [01:40:05] submitted a very very partial [01:40:07] application there's no way we can act on [01:40:09] so I've reached out to Michelle I [01:40:11] haven't heard back from her but they [01:40:13] we're we're renewing their beer and wine [01:40:15] but they're going to want to go to P [01:40:17] alcohol I think they're going to be open [01:40:18] for dinner [01:40:19] soon [01:40:22] so full alcohol would be uh Jin yeah [01:40:27] like that [01:40:30] yeah and that is all I have I [01:40:38] think [01:40:44] second thank you all for coming thank [01:40:48] thank you adjourn it