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Hardwick Boards Address Pump Station Relocation and Community Petition

Original title: Hardwick, MA Board of Selectmen Meeting 11/7/22

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Meeting details

Date

November 8, 2022

Duration

1h 29m

Decisions

4 recorded

Action Items

13 assigned

Summary

The Hardwick Board of Selectmen and Sewer Commission held a joint meeting to address the relocation of the Hardwick Road Pump Station, voting to accept an alternate site contingent on various approvals and to withdraw a pending Notice of Intent. The Board of Selectmen also acknowledged receipt of a draft Host Community Agreement from Commonwealth Equine LLC and discussed a petition signed by over 400 residents, scheduling a special meeting to deliberate on it. Updates were provided on the Treasurer/Collector Department, Service Zone Plan, ARPA funding requests for the Police Department, and Town Hall boiler damage.

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Discussion Highlights

Preliminary investigation supports an alternate location for the Hardwick Road Pump Station on East Quabbin Land Trust property, aiming to mitigate environmental and community concerns.
The East Quabbin Land Trust is willing to consider transferring land or granting an easement for the pump station, as the property lacks conservation restrictions.
The new Treasurer/Collector Department is progressing well with a new employee and improved efficiency, aiming for earlier financial closing.
The Service Zone Plan has been updated and approved after necessary corrections.
A draft Host Community Agreement (HCA) from Commonwealth Equine LLC was received and acknowledged for public records, but not discussed by the board.
A petition signed by over 400 Hardwick residents regarding a prior board decision was received, prompting a special meeting for deliberation.
The Police Department requested ARPA funding for new tasers and an evidence storage container due to outdated equipment and basement water damage.
The Town Hall experienced a boiler over-pressurization and flooding incident, highlighting the need for a dedicated maintenance/custodial position.
The Town Clerk clarified that the received petition is non-binding and the board is not legally obligated to act on it, unlike a referendum to overturn a 'yes' vote.

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Excited yeah right if you don't believe he's the funny weights doesn't work you're ready
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Recording in progress so we're going to call the board of selectman meeting for Monday November 7th 2022 to order at 6 32 PM I will it is also a Sewer Commission meeting so the Sewer Commission is uh intended
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To go before the board we do have some boarded uh items we'll address first and the Sewer Commission will open the chair of the Sewer Commission is not yet here so we're going to go through our agenda until they have a quorum to open their meeting so I'll read the agenda call to order
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Pledge of Allegiance the Sewer Commission agenda is called to order vote for the alternate uh wpcf Pump Station location by annual sewer bill approval vote withdraw the noi request from Conservation Commission and adjournment at which time we will reconvene or
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Resume the selectman agenda visitors comments minutes both business Treasurer collector Department update service Zone Plan update approval other old business new business Town Administrator review acknowledge receipt of the draft HCA
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From Commonwealth equine LLC I will point out under this agenda item the board will not be discussing anything on the HCA tonight we are only acknowledging receipt of the HCA so there will be no discussion of the contract from the board's perspective other new business discussion
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Interval relative to arpa funding committee reports Town Administrator report signatures approvals selectman Roundtable and adjournment so if you would mind if you wouldn't mind we'll do the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance

[00:00:03] excited [00:00:04] yeah right if you don't believe he's the [00:00:08] funny weights doesn't work [00:00:13] you're ready [00:00:32] recording in progress [00:00:36] so we're going to call the board of [00:00:38] selectman meeting for Monday November [00:00:40] 7th 2022 to order at 6 32 PM I will um [00:00:46] it is also a Sewer Commission meeting so [00:00:49] um the Sewer Commission is uh intended [00:00:51] to go before the board [00:00:53] um we do have some boarded uh items [00:00:55] we'll address first and the Sewer [00:00:57] Commission will open [00:00:59] um the chair of the Sewer Commission is [00:01:00] not yet here so we're going to go [00:01:02] through our agenda until they have a [00:01:05] quorum to open their meeting [00:01:07] um so I'll read the agenda call to order [00:01:09] Pledge of Allegiance the Sewer [00:01:11] Commission agenda is called to order [00:01:13] vote for the alternate uh wpcf Pump [00:01:17] Station location by annual sewer bill [00:01:20] approval vote withdraw the noi request [00:01:23] from Conservation Commission and [00:01:24] adjournment [00:01:26] at which time we will reconvene or [00:01:28] resume the selectman agenda visitors [00:01:31] comments [00:01:33] um minutes both business Treasurer [00:01:36] collector Department update service Zone [00:01:38] Plan update approval other old business [00:01:40] new business Town Administrator review [00:01:43] acknowledge receipt of the draft HCA [00:01:46] from Commonwealth equine LLC I will [00:01:49] point out under this agenda item the [00:01:51] board will not be discussing anything on [00:01:54] the HCA tonight we are only [00:01:56] acknowledging receipt of the HCA [00:01:59] so there will be no discussion of the [00:02:00] contract from the board's perspective [00:02:03] um other new business discussion [00:02:06] interval relative to arpa funding [00:02:07] committee reports Town Administrator [00:02:09] report signatures approvals selectman [00:02:12] Roundtable and adjournment [00:02:16] um so if you would mind if you wouldn't [00:02:18] mind we'll do the Pledge of Allegiance [00:02:22] I pledge allegiance [00:02:29] one nation under God indivisible with [00:02:33] liberty and justice for all [00:02:37] Nicole can you just make sure we take [00:02:39] account of what we have here [00:02:46] we also have room capacity limits on the [00:02:49] rum so we're we are over capacity we may [00:02:52] have to recess the meetings so look [00:03:01] the chair of the floor question we just [00:03:03] opened the board of selectman meetings [00:03:07] um [00:03:07] so you can open your meeting and come [00:03:10] back to our business we're going to stay [00:03:11] in session [00:03:32] yeah that's the right one [00:03:39] okay [00:03:45] conversation it's totally interesting [00:03:50] I think it's both because you're still a [00:03:52] super Commission [00:03:54] okay [00:03:56] The Joint it's joint for you guys right [00:03:58] right [00:04:04] now [00:04:18] oh [00:04:28] um you know just [00:04:31] do let's do you want to deal with the [00:04:34] moving location first yeah [00:04:38] I'll let you [00:04:40] okay [00:04:43] um so what I'm understanding Greg is [00:04:45] this is going to be a joint vote of both [00:04:46] commissions [00:04:51] everyone my name is [00:04:57] be aware that when we were before the [00:04:59] conservation condition [00:05:02] was raised as to whether the pump [00:05:04] station for the hardwood heartbreak [00:05:07] Hardwick Road sewer [00:05:10] um line could be moved to an alternative [00:05:12] location on land currently owned by the [00:05:16] uh Bob Ranch so since that meeting [00:05:20] um the support of Selectmen together [00:05:23] with my office as well as DPC Engineers [00:05:27] um undertook a preliminary investigation [00:05:30] of this alternative site to determine [00:05:33] whether or not [00:05:35] a visible alternative [00:05:38] um from the perspective of engineering [00:05:41] the goal and ability to get approval [00:05:44] from the USDA [00:05:47] um based on those preliminary [00:05:49] um in [00:05:51] has been determined [00:05:56] determined on that property [00:05:58] and so at this at this point it is [00:06:01] before [00:06:04] she decide whether they wish to go [00:06:07] further and drive reach the final plan [00:06:11] to relocate The Pump Station [00:06:15] understanding that [00:06:18] that require the granting of of an [00:06:20] easement from the land trust which in [00:06:23] and of itself requires legal work to [00:06:26] verify title and make sure that that all [00:06:29] requirements are in place for the boards [00:06:32] to accept that Amusement it then needs [00:06:35] to go through final engineering review [00:06:38] to make [00:06:39] there are no site conditions that would [00:06:41] prevent [00:06:42] to that property for [00:06:45] um the location of a pump station [00:06:48] and finally there is an environmental [00:06:49] view that [00:06:51] that go through on the part of the U.S [00:06:54] in order to get their final approval [00:06:57] um and so with all of these things line [00:06:59] up then the board will or [00:07:03] it's up to them to deny whether they [00:07:05] will [00:07:05] move the pump station to that location [00:07:09] and the vote that I would recommend that [00:07:12] they take if they are so refined would [00:07:15] be to make contingent upon all of these [00:07:18] requirements being fulfilled and if any [00:07:20] of these requirements cannot be [00:07:22] fulfilled [00:07:25] toward [00:07:26] actual post location [00:07:28] so through Madam chair are there any [00:07:30] questions in that regard [00:07:35] less [00:07:41] I don't know [00:07:45] involved in originally I guess [00:07:50] I thought the whole idea why we wanted [00:07:52] to put it down on the common in that [00:07:55] area because that was the lowest spot [00:07:57] and it was it was going to be pushing [00:08:00] from then from there and now if it goes [00:08:02] up this [00:08:03] is that [00:08:05] Now isn't that because it's higher up [00:08:08] isn't that now I'm going to be pulling [00:08:09] or what [00:08:11] um the [00:08:13] one I understand is [00:08:18] the gravity [00:08:21] um schools kind of Pump Station they're [00:08:24] my down to [00:08:27] the center of town but and then it was [00:08:30] going to be pushed up the line from [00:08:31] there but seeing that there is not [00:08:33] enough funding to change the line from a [00:08:37] pumping station pump line to a gravity [00:08:41] one [00:08:42] from the school down part of the center [00:08:46] it really doesn't matter and the [00:08:49] likelihood of the Town having the [00:08:52] four or five million dollars in the near [00:08:54] future to change that from the current [00:08:57] pump line that it is to gravity line [00:09:00] is very unlikely [00:09:03] well no I was just you know that was [00:09:05] just the thing that I [00:09:07] would remember about [00:09:10] better than that well what they didn't [00:09:12] want to do is continue to have these [00:09:14] pumps push as for the guild so this this [00:09:18] is close enough but [00:09:20] so the engineering group did look at [00:09:23] this alternate location and look at [00:09:25] engineering and they determined that it [00:09:26] was [00:09:28] um that it could work there [00:09:30] something which I couldn't work [00:09:35] no you know what I'm saying it's because [00:09:37] I mean we [00:09:42] 've gone sections so you know I have no [00:09:45] problem with this I mean I would think [00:09:47] that [00:09:48] more people would be happy with this [00:09:51] because it looks like it's going to be [00:09:52] shoved in among some trees that are [00:09:54] already there and you know the whole [00:09:56] world isn't going to be saying that [00:09:58] nobody's going to be complaining about [00:09:59] it being right across the street from [00:10:01] Mimi's and it's not going to be in the [00:10:02] middle of the heart of fear you know etc [00:10:04] etc etc [00:10:06] I just want to make sure that if it's [00:10:09] there [00:10:10] we're not going to be back here in [00:10:11] another couple of years you're saying we [00:10:13] should never put it here because now [00:10:15] it's not working all right and that's [00:10:17] that's my that's all I want to be [00:10:21] made aware of is that if everybody if [00:10:23] the engineers say it's going to work [00:10:25] there that's fine so in addition it's [00:10:28] not only that our engineering firm that [00:10:30] the town hire DPC but also USDA has to [00:10:32] review the site so USDA has to agree [00:10:35] that the site is going to be acceptable [00:10:37] for Pump Station and I guess to be clear [00:10:40] we've heard attorney corbo say that if [00:10:43] for some reason [00:10:44] um in pursuing so so we're essentially [00:10:47] taking two tracks as we're going here in [00:10:50] the event that this site that um we're [00:10:54] looking at that's currently owned by the [00:10:56] east club and land trust ends up not [00:10:57] being suitable or not being able to pass [00:10:59] approvals it's going to go back to the [00:11:01] original site [00:11:03] um and the whole idea here [00:11:05] um one of the reasons USDA is sort of [00:11:07] willing to entertain this is that we are [00:11:10] not going to be behind schedule okay so [00:11:12] that we are moving and trying to stay on [00:11:14] schedule with the project [00:11:15] that is their main concern [00:11:20] Ed [00:11:26] um [00:11:30] so there there are several concerns that [00:11:33] have Arisen [00:11:35] um one is conservation and the location [00:11:37] of the pump station being [00:11:40] um part of a [00:11:42] um a wetland and so this would avoid the [00:11:46] town really having to [00:11:49] um and the Conservation Commission [00:11:50] having to look at this particular piece [00:11:52] and manage this particular piece it also [00:11:55] um you know there have been concerns [00:11:58] raised by members of some of our boards [00:12:01] some are which are here about [00:12:04] um noise odor all of those things this [00:12:06] alternate location may help mitigate [00:12:08] that as well [00:12:09] College because I feel like everything [00:12:11] is [00:12:16] people around the commons [00:12:32] are you ready to [00:12:34] um make emotions [00:12:37] so [00:12:39] so I'll start it okay so I'm going to [00:12:43] entertain or sorry I'm going to ask call [00:12:45] for a motion that the board will accept [00:12:47] the modification of the plans for the [00:12:49] hardback Road Pump Station so as to [00:12:51] locate the station within a permanent [00:12:53] easement on the land currently owned by [00:12:55] the east club and land trust assessors [00:12:57] mapped 30 parcel 17 and to acquire and [00:13:00] accept a permanent easement for this [00:13:02] purpose subject to all legal [00:13:03] requirements being satisfied including [00:13:05] but not limited to approval of the site [00:13:08] by USDA and East Broad and land trust [00:13:10] approval of a change order by the [00:13:12] contractor certification of title to the [00:13:15] easement area by Town Council [00:13:17] and final preparation of plans by DTC [00:13:19] which are engineers and have said [00:13:21] locations determined not to be a [00:13:23] suitable location for the site of the [00:13:24] pump station for any reason or if any [00:13:26] required approvals for said location are [00:13:28] denied withheld or unreasonably delayed [00:13:31] that the project proceed with the pump [00:13:33] station in its current plan location as [00:13:35] may be amended [00:13:37] I will make a motion as stated by Julie [00:13:40] quick [00:13:40] second [00:13:42] any discussion on the motion [00:13:47] hearing none [00:13:49] um I'd actually like to call the rule [00:13:51] just so that we have it for purposes of [00:13:54] the minutes [00:13:55] um Elizabeth yes [00:14:02] um [00:14:07] okay all right [00:14:11] you have to vote twice okay [00:14:14] um [00:14:15] so who's second who made the motion and [00:14:18] he made the motion and Rob's second okay [00:14:20] good so this is the worst left one more [00:14:21] show on that [00:14:22] um any discussion by the bull slogan no [00:14:25] okay hearing none um I will call the [00:14:27] roll Rob [00:14:30] Julie yes Kelly yes okay so motion cures [00:14:34] uh for Board of Selectmen [00:14:41] that's what I'll do is [00:14:52] quick [00:14:57] on the issue [00:14:59] popstation I make a motion that we [00:15:04] accept [00:15:10] the same portion that was [00:15:14] I I make the same motion as read by the [00:15:17] chairman of the summit Board of [00:15:19] selecting this quick [00:15:21] um that we [00:15:23] accept [00:15:25] the the new location [00:15:29] any discussion [00:15:32] now okay all those in favor [00:15:35] aye [00:15:36] you call me roll calling [00:15:38] oh we'll we'll call it for a minute [00:15:40] click [00:15:42] on this side [00:15:44] um I suppose yes [00:15:46] yes [00:15:48] that's it [00:15:54] procedurally this is a little messy so [00:15:56] thank you [00:15:59] um so [00:16:01] um [00:16:04] if the Sewer Commission will allow us [00:16:06] just to sort of follow up with [00:16:09] um the um vote to so we have a notice of [00:16:15] intent that's pending before the [00:16:17] Conservation Commission the notice of [00:16:18] intent is not needed on this additional [00:16:20] on this alternate property [00:16:23] um and so the recommendation is that the [00:16:25] notice of intent be [00:16:28] um [00:16:29] uh withdrawn [00:16:31] from currently pending the Florida [00:16:33] Conservation Commission any discussion [00:16:36] on the board [00:16:38] uh two separate votes for this as well [00:16:41] okay [00:16:42] any discussion on the board for this [00:16:46] okay so um I will entertain a motion [00:16:48] from the board of Selectmen uh that the [00:16:51] board vote to withdraw the notice of [00:16:53] intent currently pending before the [00:16:54] Conservation Commission and let it [00:16:56] direct DPC to prepare final plans for [00:16:58] the location of the pump station within [00:17:00] an easement area on the land currently [00:17:02] owned by the east club and land trust in [00:17:04] the alternative we've said location is [00:17:06] determined not to be a suitable location [00:17:08] for the site of the pump station for any [00:17:10] reason or if any required approvals for [00:17:12] said location are denied that DPC amend [00:17:15] the current plans to locate The Pump [00:17:16] Station outside of the 100 foot bumper [00:17:18] Zone on the current proposed property [00:17:21] I would make a motion as read by Julie [00:17:23] point [00:17:33] yes Kelly yes motion carries [00:17:52] awesome [00:17:59] discussion [00:18:07] oh yeah sorry sir okay [00:18:12] Liz yeah yes Rob yes [00:18:19] so both motions carry at the board of [00:18:22] selectment [00:18:26] um [00:18:27] so now [00:18:28] um we will the motorcycle will step back [00:18:30] so we can can do your final answer [00:18:47] the sewer commission's still in session [00:18:49] so let's that pulls up [00:18:54] resistance [00:19:00] but there's just nothing [00:19:03] um these are basically just that is this [00:19:06] the second [00:19:09] of two or is this the first part about [00:19:12] two yeah okay [00:19:17] um [00:19:18] so [00:19:19] we're we're still billing people on the [00:19:22] same [00:19:26] it doesn't seem [00:19:28] s okay [00:19:40] no no I'm saying that the you know like [00:19:44] XYZ gets one edu that's why she gets two [00:19:48] years okay [00:20:02] yeah because I I you know I I don't [00:20:06] think that wow [00:20:09] this one has many things [00:20:15] um but as far as this goes uh the [00:20:18] assessors come back after January 1 and [00:20:21] if somebody has made a 150 to a family [00:20:23] or vice versa that's 20 on how we get [00:20:26] noticed but right now we're still [00:20:27] working with what they [00:20:29] think it was you know it wasn't so much [00:20:36] of the properties here that [00:20:38] you're saying [00:20:41] because that's completely [00:20:43] Fair yeah [00:20:48] and they are [00:20:49] sorry and that's where I had the issue [00:20:52] was and I went around with our engineer [00:20:55] to all commercial properties [00:21:07] like Residential Properties and [00:21:10] um [00:21:10] uh [00:21:12] yes [00:21:14] okay that's [00:21:16] everything is labeled commercial [00:21:24] s [00:21:26] except [00:21:40] any more discussion [00:21:43] foreign [00:21:55] [Music] [00:22:07] members are here I just wanted to be um [00:22:09] clear with everybody as to why the land [00:22:12] trust is able to work and support the [00:22:15] town of Hardwick in the possibility of [00:22:19] transferring some of this land and in [00:22:20] fact the land trust would prefer to [00:22:23] actually transfer the land instead of an [00:22:24] easement [00:22:26] um but we can discuss those Logistics [00:22:29] and partly because the property was [00:22:31] given to the land trust by uh Hans Toma [00:22:33] several years ago it came without a [00:22:36] conservation instructions so it does not [00:22:38] have the legal bindings where we would [00:22:40] not be able to consider this as most of [00:22:43] all of our other properties in town do [00:22:44] have conservation restrictions [00:22:46] and we understand that it's very [00:22:48] important for the community to find a [00:22:50] good and adequate solution [00:22:52] and we understood some of the [00:22:54] difficulties that were happening because [00:22:56] of the site placements in and around the [00:23:01] um we would be interested and to know [00:23:03] some more specific details we saw them [00:23:05] flagging so understand that it's about [00:23:07] 100 by 100 [00:23:08] foot area that you're looking for but [00:23:11] would love some more details about the [00:23:13] size of the building the structure and [00:23:14] those kinds of pieces which hopefully is [00:23:16] Nicole or somebody can get to us soon so [00:23:19] that we can take a book we to talk to uh [00:23:22] Jenna Tomah sure that she is understands [00:23:25] and is aware of what's happening and [00:23:27] takes a board vote next Monday evening [00:23:29] when we have our board meeting so I just [00:23:30] want to be sure everybody understood why [00:23:33] we were able to consider this [00:23:35] thank you [00:23:36] and from the board's perspective [00:23:41] we are very grateful and thankful that [00:23:44] you're able to consider that and [00:23:46] appreciate the willingness to work with [00:23:50] the town on this [00:23:52] thank you thank you to all the board [00:23:54] members who are here [00:23:56] and the Sewer Commission integration [00:23:58] okay [00:24:00] hopefully a workout [00:24:09] second [00:24:20] we will continue on with the board of [00:24:22] Selectmen agenda [00:24:27] um [00:24:30] next on the agenda visitors comments [00:24:41] hearing them we'll move on to minutes [00:24:43] um I believe those are up and coming we [00:24:45] will have them soon okay [00:24:50] um under old business we have the [00:24:52] treasure collector Department update [00:24:55] did you want to talk about that yes so I [00:24:57] just gave you what um [00:24:59] Sarah had drawn up for you [00:25:02] um [00:25:03] I believe it was probably a month ago [00:25:05] and um [00:25:07] you know just kind of update where they [00:25:09] are at [00:25:12] with creating this new treasure [00:25:13] collector department and all of the [00:25:15] things that they're doing and they are [00:25:18] coming along very well [00:25:21] um [00:25:22] we [00:25:23] should be we probably have [00:25:27] Lori delolio is [00:25:29] satisfied with how it's going she said [00:25:31] since she's been here it hasn't been [00:25:33] this smooth so over the past four years [00:25:35] you know it's going as [00:25:37] it has [00:25:39] and the new employee is working out [00:25:42] really well and they're up to date [00:25:44] they're [00:25:45] in [00:25:46] you know the industries [00:25:52] so although we're closing 20 you know [00:25:56] it's already working [00:26:01] so they're they're moving [00:26:05] a bit faster than they have so yeah [00:26:09] I think over the next couple of years [00:26:11] we'll really get into [00:26:12] with being you know trying to get closed [00:26:15] by October like we're supposed to so do [00:26:18] we have the Auditors coming out [00:26:29] they they said that they could do this [00:26:30] yes [00:26:32] with the USDA right yeah [00:26:35] make time yeah [00:26:38] and so I have a question Sarah is still [00:26:42] helping [00:26:43] is that gonna end [00:26:46] up [00:26:48] last week with them [00:26:51] you know I said [00:26:53] you know this is temporary that's [00:26:55] something that you know I know we've [00:26:57] allocated yeah and we're not nearly [00:26:59] released [00:27:01] but we are um [00:27:05] October eventually [00:27:08] you know although [00:27:10] very much [00:27:15] working the way that you know [00:27:19] done it like trained them and you know [00:27:21] as a resident it's also very concerned [00:27:24] that our finances and our financial [00:27:26] department stays on track so we talked [00:27:29] about you know her ceasing very soon [00:27:31] over the next couple of months but not [00:27:33] quite yet I mean did you get through [00:27:36] this first audit well yeah I mean [00:27:38] we did just we are [00:27:41] alone [00:27:46] for September [00:27:48] employee and just we [00:27:55] just [00:27:56] a lot [00:27:59] now [00:28:02] yeah but it's good because we [00:28:10] uh [00:28:28] um next time I'm on the agenda as a [00:28:29] service Zone Plan update approval [00:28:32] yeah I use this to you [00:28:34] go back [00:28:35] over it yeah [00:28:37] um [00:28:37] yeah it needed some changes so we fixed [00:28:41] all of these looks better yeah it was [00:28:44] just like telephone numbers for real and [00:28:47] I fixed them all in and sent them back [00:28:49] to the group came back with uh you know [00:28:52] the real changes [00:28:57] much more accurate [00:29:03] we've got to get it back to Tina Dixon [00:29:08] so anyway it's updated now and it should [00:29:12] be good for a little bit [00:29:15] awesome [00:29:17] I would make the motion that we accept [00:29:19] and improve but uh updated service Zone [00:29:22] plans to return to the director of the [00:29:27] only OMG yes [00:29:45] social studies thank you thanks Nicole [00:29:51] foreign [00:30:20] um [00:30:22] with us we have the Town Administrator [00:30:24] review this can be again are deferring [00:30:27] sorry [00:30:31] the length of our meetings and what [00:30:32] we're dealing with Nicole is graciously [00:30:34] agreed to defer her review [00:30:36] um but we will be having it [00:30:38] um hopefully in our next meeting this [00:30:40] month [00:30:42] um acknowledge received at the draft at [00:30:44] HCA from Commonwealth keypoint LLC [00:30:47] um the drop HCA was received right [00:30:51] before Nicole left verification [00:30:58] the reason that we is on our agenda and [00:31:02] that we're entertaining technology as we [00:31:05] have had some public records requests [00:31:07] for [00:31:09] um information relative to Great medical [00:31:11] farm and the proposal this is part of [00:31:14] that uh the board has not reviewed it [00:31:17] has not discussed it this is what was [00:31:20] proposed by the proponents and so [00:31:22] procedurally we should acknowledge [00:31:25] receipt of it [00:31:27] um and then it is available for [00:31:29] um [00:31:30] public the public records request so [00:31:33] again we are not discussing it tonight [00:31:36] um but it is a formality to acknowledge [00:31:38] receipt of it [00:31:40] I would [00:31:43] um move that we acknowledge receipt of [00:31:45] the draft HCA from Commonwealth equine [00:31:48] LLC [00:31:55] carrying on I will call for vote all in [00:31:57] favor [00:31:58] aye [00:32:02] um under other new business [00:32:04] um the board is in receipt today [00:32:08] um this afternoon early morning early [00:32:10] afternoon of a um petition [00:32:14] uh signed by I believe in excess of 400 [00:32:17] residents of Hardwick [00:32:21] um the petition sits right here [00:32:24] um [00:32:31] can we 100 [00:32:33] . can we please not [00:32:36] can we please not [00:32:40] can we please not have the conversation [00:32:42] this is for the board [00:32:44] please hold [00:32:46] so [00:32:48] um [00:32:48] we are a receipt of the petition it has [00:32:51] just been received today [00:32:53] um [00:32:54] it needs to go through the process the [00:32:56] purpose of bringing it up tonight we are [00:32:58] not discussing it we are not discussing [00:33:01] anything relative to the petition only [00:33:04] to [00:33:05] um in anticipation after understanding [00:33:09] that this had come in today I asked [00:33:11] Nicole which is my authorities chair to [00:33:13] post a meeting for Wednesday night [00:33:15] um at [00:33:16] um the elementary school at 6 30. [00:33:20] um if the board wishes to discuss the [00:33:22] petition we are not discussing it in [00:33:25] this meeting tonight other than to [00:33:28] um [00:33:29] determine if we are going to move this [00:33:31] discussion to Wednesday [00:33:33] um [00:33:34] so procedurally the board does not have [00:33:37] to consider this petition [00:33:39] um the board can ignore the petition [00:33:42] um if we choose to [00:33:44] um [00:33:47] I would say that we've got the meeting [00:33:49] set up on Wednesday [00:33:51] um what is the pleasure of the board [00:33:53] relative to petition [00:33:57] I think we need to discuss it [00:34:00] this one [00:34:01] Okay so [00:34:04] I believe it's posted for 6 30. okay [00:34:08] um we probably should make a motion so [00:34:10] as part of [00:34:11] um the discussion on Wednesday uh would [00:34:14] the discussion be [00:34:16] um [00:34:17] I think the discussion would be talking [00:34:18] about petition [00:34:20] um the petition is asking us to [00:34:22] reconsider our decision [00:34:24] um and so at Wednesday's meeting would [00:34:27] we feel comfortable voting on [00:34:30] um the motion to reconsider and also [00:34:33] potentially [00:34:34] um reconsidering at that meeting [00:34:38] are we going to have Town legal counsel [00:34:41] there to [00:34:42] thoroughly explain how the statute is [00:34:45] written [00:34:46] I believe that um Alex [00:34:49] um may not be there in person but he's [00:34:50] going to be available [00:34:51] um by Zoom he's trying to reschedule [00:34:53] another uh meeting to make sure that he [00:34:57] can be in attendance and I think that's [00:35:00] important [00:35:01] okay [00:35:05] how can we [00:35:08] um [00:35:14] you haven't been recognized by the chair [00:35:18] would you like it can be removed [00:35:21] it can be removed last warning [00:35:26] I am not entertaining the question [00:35:29] I'm understood I'm not answering the [00:35:31] questions the board does not have to [00:35:32] entertain the question [00:35:35] so on Wednesday Nicole we will ensure [00:35:39] that Alex is present [00:35:42] um the board will discuss at that time [00:35:45] um whether we want to reconsider our [00:35:47] vote [00:35:48] and we may vote that evening I'm [00:35:51] considering our vote [00:35:53] um [00:35:55] the petition has been brought forward by [00:35:58] a group of [00:36:00] um residents however that happened we [00:36:02] have the petitioner product list [00:36:05] um I would make this suggestion to the [00:36:07] board from a format perspective and I'd [00:36:10] like your input that we allow the [00:36:12] petitioners to speak one person from the [00:36:14] petitioner this is not a public hearing [00:36:16] on Wednesday [00:36:18] um that we allow one person from the [00:36:20] petitioner to speak about the reason for [00:36:22] their petition we don't enter we're not [00:36:24] going to entertain other discussion [00:36:26] items [00:36:28] um and that we as a group deliberate on [00:36:30] our [00:36:31] whether we reconsider or not are we okay [00:36:34] with that format [00:36:36] just so we're transparent so everyone [00:36:38] knows what to expect on Wednesday yeah I [00:36:40] would agree and then we understand [00:36:42] that's fine [00:36:45] okay so that will be the format for [00:36:48] um [00:36:49] Wednesday's meeting do we need a motion [00:36:52] of any sort at this point other than [00:36:54] we're just [00:36:55] okay [00:36:59] um [00:37:06] the other discussion on this we've had [00:37:08] the opportunity for visitors to comments [00:37:10] I don't want to entertain any comments [00:37:12] on the petition tonight [00:37:14] um [00:37:15] it's not really why we're here [00:37:18] um it isn't um the only reason it's [00:37:20] being discussed is it is just brought to [00:37:22] us today [00:37:23] um and I would rather not entertain [00:37:25] comments on it at this point [00:37:29] we agree with that or would you like to [00:37:31] hear something hey no I'm fine with [00:37:33] whatever whatever you think [00:37:35] I don't know if it's relative and is [00:37:38] this related to the petition [00:37:43] she did not I didn't [00:37:45] I said it in the beginning and nobody [00:37:47] answered [00:37:50] I did I said visitors comments and I [00:37:53] said here and I said here [00:37:57] I said hearing none and we [00:38:01] it's the way our agenda is I'm sorry [00:38:04] folks that's the way our agenda is [00:38:05] written [00:38:13] so so [00:38:14] I will say this let us move to the rest [00:38:17] of our agenda if there is time and the [00:38:20] board is going to entertain comments but [00:38:22] I need to get through the rest of our [00:38:23] agenda guides [00:38:28] let us get through the rest of our [00:38:29] agenda and if there are time and the [00:38:31] gore is blowing just saying comments we [00:38:33] will [00:38:34] only another new business [00:38:37] we are another new business [00:38:41] I will not entertain a question until we [00:38:43] make it to the rest of the agenda [00:38:48] you can fall under selectman's Round [00:38:50] Table that's my discretion [00:38:54] discussion [00:38:58] so I have a couple of requests from the [00:39:00] police [00:39:02] um [00:39:03] the first [00:39:08] um completely out of date [00:39:10] and [00:39:12] broken but they really don't work the [00:39:14] way [00:39:15] and the way that didn't [00:39:19] finish that you've had are much safer [00:39:21] so [00:39:23] um you know they've [00:39:25] the amount [00:39:26] for [00:39:28] you yes [00:39:30] did they know they were going to be out [00:39:32] of date [00:39:33] well I think yes he's been asking me [00:39:35] probably since I started [00:39:38] about it [00:39:39] um I don't see that we have it in our [00:39:41] budget right that's what I guess that [00:39:43] was more of a capital thing you know [00:39:45] like we've been doing with these arpas [00:39:47] um [00:39:50] so I don't know exactly how many there [00:39:53] looks like it's staggered as far as when [00:39:55] they're getting them in so it's [00:40:00] estimated delivery [00:40:04] I'm [00:40:05] I'm looking through this quickly [00:40:08] so like some are coming in this December [00:40:11] some next December [00:40:16] so is the just the feeling oh and I [00:40:19] think it is is I think [00:40:22] cartridges you know those types of [00:40:24] things [00:40:31] the actual taser is the first line item [00:40:33] and [00:40:34] everything else right after that yeah [00:40:40] action [00:40:45] you can see the savings on there you can [00:40:47] actually you know what I don't know [00:40:49] balances right now [00:40:51] um [00:41:20] thank you [00:41:21] something we need to vote on tonight it [00:41:23] isn't you know I mean they've been [00:41:26] waiting this long if you have more [00:41:27] questions I can go back to them [00:41:30] just [00:41:31] um [00:41:31] I think the questions on the Staggering [00:41:33] of when these things are going to come [00:41:35] in they're more committed to the whole [00:41:38] chunk of change now [00:41:40] um so we have spent 230 800 [00:41:46] and it looks like our Channel [00:41:50] at this point the available balance is [00:41:58] it was the last thing the computers [00:42:02] I I had it in spreadsheet oh okay yeah [00:42:10] we didn't do anything after that did we [00:42:13] yeah [00:42:14] okay because I um [00:42:17] the sewer [00:42:18] and the water from the height [00:42:30] and four fire hydrants in water meters [00:42:32] right yeah so that's it [00:42:38] that's current we haven't done anything [00:42:39] else no so [00:42:45] yeah I think um I think I think we have [00:42:48] a little bit more information maybe I'm [00:42:51] just like what these delivery dates are [00:42:53] it looks like it's a bundle so Does it [00:42:55] include the cartridges also looks like [00:42:57] maybe it has the actual papers and then [00:43:00] right and then like extra assignments [00:43:02] yeah right right [00:43:05] so if they can clarify for our next [00:43:07] meeting sure like is the it is the whole [00:43:10] amount due up front or will we be [00:43:13] invoiced [00:43:14] sporadically [00:43:17] as the stuff comes out well you see this [00:43:20] program like 60 months so I think as [00:43:23] they as uh I made but I think maybe as [00:43:27] these things [00:43:29] fire get new ones [00:43:31] yeah [00:43:35] right so it's not only the tasers it's [00:43:39] also for me it's everything else yeah [00:43:41] yep [00:43:43] yeah [00:43:45] they're probably looking for it all from [00:43:46] them [00:43:48] yeah that would be the question do we [00:43:49] have to talk about the money [00:43:59] I want to keep them up to date [00:44:01] today we've also designated a lot of our [00:44:04] other one [00:44:06] okay [00:44:11] they also have the container as well [00:44:13] yeah [00:44:14] because there's a bunch of evidence in [00:44:16] the basement [00:44:18] and slowly going to be destroyed because [00:44:20] of the cool things down there [00:44:24] is [00:44:25] how many days right yeah so they want to [00:44:28] have like a pod over at the at 402 [00:44:35] and you know I think we could maybe find [00:44:37] this somewhere but [00:44:39] it's also a capital item so [00:44:42] you could probably also use this [00:44:45] [Music] [00:44:46] I just have more of the time sensitive [00:44:48] nature of it to get it out of there I [00:44:51] would agree so after what happened two [00:44:52] weeks ago [00:44:54] um you know because water got down there [00:44:55] too yeah [00:44:57] there we don't want to touch it at all [00:44:59] and so you know the [00:45:02] Department [00:45:12] they got more than one quote [00:45:18] I don't [00:45:22] they don't need someone's under the [00:45:23] procurement correct yes so [00:45:32] this is [00:45:37] any other items um [00:45:54] I know it's very nice actually [00:46:02] huh [00:46:04] that's what you gotta do [00:46:07] the library always [00:46:09] their own that's so much let's just see [00:46:12] the highway one of those nice update [00:46:18] from earlier because [00:46:24] [Music] [00:46:26] um so as far as the USDA goes the [00:46:29] contract was signed for construction [00:46:32] as obviously [00:46:35] voted on an alternate location possibly [00:46:39] and so DPC will be submitting requests [00:46:41] for withdrawal of an noi to the [00:46:43] Conservation Commission on the town's [00:46:45] behalf or the proposed post Pump Station [00:46:47] considering [00:46:49] Association [00:46:55] have been rejected [00:46:58] but most are kind of old from 19 and 20. [00:47:02] we're going to have to find funds to [00:47:04] come [00:47:07] legal [00:47:08] if I sit here and um go back and forth [00:47:12] with our own boards that's not covered [00:47:14] but USDA does not covered [00:47:16] home is not underwritten [00:47:19] just battle ourselves so [00:47:22] um we're gonna have to be finding all of [00:47:23] the funding for legal and for some of [00:47:27] these old invoices that have been [00:47:30] since [00:47:34] we're working back [00:47:38] I'll have a better handle on it I'll [00:47:41] head for you at the next meeting because [00:47:43] that's gonna have to go to the special [00:47:44] it's gonna We [00:47:49] we continue [00:47:54] um on Friday October 21st at products at [00:47:56] 9am it was discovered at the boiler at [00:47:58] Town Hall over pressurizing cause [00:48:00] radiation first [00:48:05] clean up started immediately there was a [00:48:07] lot of volunteers that came in Kelly one [00:48:09] of them very impressed with that [00:48:11] everybody just banded together to start [00:48:13] cleaning up and then the insurance [00:48:15] company came in and they've been as you [00:48:17] can see the the building is in shambles [00:48:20] right now and just trying to relocate [00:48:22] everybody a Board of Health is [00:48:24] completely closed off right now like a [00:48:26] zippered off [00:48:28] um while they're finished in their [00:48:29] demolition to tomorrow I have [00:48:32] um I just he just called me but tomorrow [00:48:42] all everything [00:48:45] smooth as with mine so we this week [00:48:50] close on Thursday and Friday for the [00:48:52] holiday they're going to take everything [00:48:53] out and um hopefully get that turnaround [00:48:56] time back and get these floors fixed [00:48:59] um so luckily it was mostly just [00:49:02] ice but [00:49:03] stairs in the kids room [00:49:05] flooded and went down through the [00:49:07] ceiling and then poured over into the [00:49:09] Board of Health area of the office [00:49:12] and uh [00:49:17] um [00:49:19] grip on the walls walls floors are [00:49:21] stripped they have their natural [00:49:22] hardwood floor [00:49:24] I'm going to [00:49:25] um [00:49:28] stored if we can [00:49:30] junky old carpet over it so I'll see [00:49:33] what he says tomorrow [00:49:37] um and so this has triggered our [00:49:39] thoughts about finding a maintenance and [00:49:40] custodial person physician [00:49:43] um up to the Forefront after that [00:49:45] happened you know we don't have anybody [00:49:47] for any of the buildings we have some [00:49:48] senior work off that you know can only [00:49:51] do so much and so it um [00:49:55] I think we for all the buildings we need [00:49:58] to consider somebody that does custodial [00:50:00] and like handyman kind of work [00:50:03] it's um I think we could have avoided a [00:50:05] couple of floods [00:50:08] talking about it so yeah try to get it [00:50:11] into our budget this year so annual [00:50:13] licenses for Renewal went out last week [00:50:15] um in the December meeting you'll be [00:50:17] reviewing them and approving them [00:50:19] hopefully [00:50:20] um [00:50:21] I already got somebody that came in [00:50:23] today that received it and want but [00:50:24] she's like wow it's so early this year [00:50:26] well I have help so [00:50:28] um [00:50:31] foreign [00:50:37] and then the ongoing which is something [00:50:40] that you know we are dealing with [00:50:41] continually [00:50:43] um we need a new phone system that you [00:50:46] know you've approved and [00:50:48] um so hopefully that'll be coming soon [00:50:50] by our our phone company more [00:50:52] um we're still I'm still waiting for the [00:50:54] council to review the personnel [00:50:56] [Music] [00:51:04] hours [00:51:10] well the DLS came out to enter to finish [00:51:13] their Financial reviews hopefully we'll [00:51:14] have that in a couple of weeks or months [00:51:17] unless all right osrp update [00:51:20] um at your next meeting [00:51:22] reports for a couple of months now that [00:51:24] we need volunteers and we've got all the [00:51:26] volunteers that [00:51:28] has an open [00:51:29] Grant to help us write update [00:51:33] so at your next meeting I'm just [00:51:38] we've already established the list but [00:51:41] they need to come into [00:51:42] be appointed so [00:51:45] we were supposed to have University [00:51:49] through Zoom but [00:51:51] so we'll have to notice incredibly [00:51:54] initial meetings [00:51:57] um the accountant shared services still [00:52:00] I'm still checking that here [00:52:01] I still want to consider at some point [00:52:05] um and our financial review will also [00:52:08] recommend it so we have in [00:52:11] so helpful [00:52:12] the recycling the container container [00:52:15] contract so I told you that we had an [00:52:18] employee that signed a contract that [00:52:19] really didn't have the authority to sign [00:52:21] it [00:52:22] in [00:52:24] contracts [00:52:26] Nolan Boyd however in the contract I [00:52:29] said that they delivered three [00:52:30] containers and apparently they'd only [00:52:32] delivered two [00:52:34] but we don't know what third one is so [00:52:36] we may have to [00:52:37] report I'm not sure so I'm still working [00:52:39] on that we're still we're still going [00:52:42] through and I'm asking them [00:52:43] you know if they have serial numbers how [00:52:45] can I am I supposed to you know identify [00:52:48] it so I'm still going back and forth [00:52:50] with them [00:52:51] um and then the Water Commission is you [00:52:53] know [00:53:00] so we're still working on that [00:53:02] yeah [00:53:10] I do have chapter 90 that needs to be [00:53:13] signed by all three of you there's two [00:53:15] areas for signatures [00:53:22] because my name is spelled wrong [00:53:26] oh no [00:53:28] I don't have an emu name [00:53:31] no [00:53:33] I'll just [00:53:41] I know [00:53:57] too quickly yeah [00:54:03] foreign [00:54:48] I would just bring up that well once [00:54:50] again we are planning to deliver the [00:54:52] poinsettias to [00:54:54] um anyone over the age of 75 in town uh [00:54:57] the Sunday after Thanksgiving and anyone [00:55:00] who would like to help or donate it [00:55:04] would be very welcome [00:55:06] um you can reach out to me directly if [00:55:08] you need more information so we're [00:55:10] always looking for extra volunteers to [00:55:12] help deliver and right now [00:55:15] the point Setters are roughly fourteen [00:55:18] hundred dollars this year and [00:55:20] um we've got about 700 coming that has [00:55:23] come in so you can see the difference [00:55:25] there [00:55:26] always welcome the donation and [00:55:30] um [00:55:30] this year we are delivering a a 193 [00:55:35] 3 pulling down [00:55:37] uh the Sunday after Thanksgiving it will [00:55:40] be the Christmas Christmas on the common [00:55:42] the tree goes up and then um about 11 [00:55:45] o'clock or so we'll meet to disperse [00:55:47] with the poinsettias thank you [00:55:52] [Laughter] [00:55:56] no it I do this on my I do this myself [00:56:01] so [00:56:03] um [00:56:13] isn't in my envelope [00:56:19] thank you I love so this is this is the [00:56:22] like not the one thing but the SE one of [00:56:24] the things that I absolutely love doing [00:56:26] every year [00:56:33] because Ralph roulette used to do it the [00:56:35] old building inspector used to do it [00:56:37] years ago and it kind of fell by the [00:56:40] wayside and [00:56:42] I had heard about it and I actually had [00:56:44] helped some friends in another town and [00:56:45] I was like well why don't we do this [00:56:47] here and so well by gosh we do [00:56:50] this is the fifth year of bringing it [00:56:52] back [00:57:03] okay so I keep looking at the clock it [00:57:06] says it's 8 30 it is not 8 30. [00:57:10] um because there are so many of you here [00:57:13] um I [00:57:15] uh would ask the fellow board members if [00:57:17] we can allow a few folks to speak [00:57:20] um clearly they're here on a particular [00:57:22] issue [00:57:23] um so [00:57:25] um [00:57:26] I think we'll allow people to speak when [00:57:28] we ask you to keep it short but [00:57:30] something we've heard already [00:57:32] um we just ask that [00:57:36] we just asked that um [00:57:39] look for new things or new questions and [00:57:42] new comments that people have [00:57:47] um [00:57:49] I ask you to keep it short because I [00:57:50] think every single one of you wants to [00:57:52] say something one of the first people I [00:57:55] saw that [00:57:56] spoke out of turn but I would like to [00:57:58] acknowledge is Mr Raymond so would you [00:58:02] yeah yeah if you could come up [00:58:14] Roger Raymond I live on upper Church [00:58:16] Street [00:58:17] all that made me nervous was you you [00:58:19] mentioned [00:58:21] the possibility of voting on Wednesday [00:58:24] again possibility [00:58:26] so I was just how do we know the [00:58:29] petition [00:58:30] uh is good that was all you know I [00:58:34] wasn't trying to so I was just it just [00:58:36] seemed like something was getting away [00:58:37] from us before we were getting all the [00:58:38] information that's all [00:58:41] that's like um [00:58:42] [Music] [00:58:45] for being transparent we did not have to [00:58:48] bring this up in the meeting tonight [00:58:50] we are trying to be as very transparent [00:58:52] about this so that everybody is aware or [00:58:55] not trying to hide anything or [00:58:59] um the the reason for Wednesday's [00:59:01] meeting that I asked Nicole to post [00:59:03] meeting the meeting the board has the [00:59:05] opportunity to reconsider it doesn't [00:59:07] mean the board will but the posted [00:59:09] meeting is there if we want to vote we [00:59:11] have the availability to do that we have [00:59:13] the public forum to do that [00:59:16] does it count as an actual tradition [00:59:18] we've seen it in town it says it's [00:59:21] non-binding and so forth does it have to [00:59:23] fall by the same guideline because when [00:59:25] the the no people were trying to [00:59:27] position [00:59:29] and Alex is not here [00:59:32] um Alexis Council that's working but [00:59:34] perhaps Greg can help us with this I did [00:59:37] speak to the town clerk about this today [00:59:40] um this is a voluntary citizens petition [00:59:43] under the statute if we had voted yes [00:59:47] um you would need to get 12 percent of [00:59:49] the voters to come back for us to [00:59:52] um reconsider our vote if we tell the [00:59:55] same [00:59:56] um vote then it would go to special [00:59:58] election this petition does not [01:00:01] um require us one to act on it [01:00:05] to um [01:00:07] if we do act on it we don't change our [01:00:09] mind it doesn't have the same impact [01:00:12] as as a yes Edition one that's [01:00:14] unfortunately how the statue is read [01:00:17] nope you're welcome [01:00:21] um [01:00:25] can you come up Devin if you're going to [01:00:27] say something just for this [01:00:29] I don't know [01:00:34] uh it is 421 Town citizens that have [01:00:39] signed it [01:00:41] um they do not have to be registered [01:00:43] voters but they are all Town citizens uh [01:00:46] as we know we have about 3 000 people in [01:00:49] town 1900 registered voters [01:00:54] so [01:00:56] um [01:00:57] your [01:00:58] 12 would be 237 [01:01:01] um [01:01:03] we still follow fabulous [01:01:07] unfortunately that [01:01:11] you would have to get 237 this is [01:01:15] the vote ended up yes but since the [01:01:20] border selectman does not have to [01:01:22] consider our petition [01:01:24] they can choose and choose whatever they [01:01:26] want on their terms [01:01:28] we [01:01:29] on the other side do not have to follow [01:01:31] by the registered [01:01:33] but we did stick two talents people [01:01:36] we did reach out to many uh local [01:01:39] surrounding towns [01:01:41] got very similar views [01:01:44] is only 420 people that we did [01:01:46] sometimes well [01:01:51] register your mother so just people that [01:01:53] signed it so we need to come back [01:01:55] each one has a town address similar to [01:02:00] the public registry [01:02:12] Department virtual common question [01:02:22] um I get to use I think I saw a bell [01:02:25] over here yeah thanks [01:02:27] uh [01:02:39] so good couple things quick first there [01:02:42] was mentioned at the last meeting when [01:02:44] you did vote [01:02:45] it had been uh threats received emails [01:02:48] or verbal ones or whatever and I think [01:02:50] there was even one mention of the death [01:02:52] threat uh and then [01:02:55] imagine I believe this ring that there [01:02:56] was some some investigation by the [01:02:59] police into a mailer that came from the [01:03:00] town offices none of that have I heard [01:03:03] anything about but I just wondered if [01:03:04] anybody any of it was a ble to be [01:03:07] investigated if anything's ongoing if [01:03:09] you have any idea where such things [01:03:12] came from [01:03:15] probably couldn't speak about it in the [01:03:17] format anyways [01:03:19] um we the board did not initiate any of [01:03:22] this [01:03:23] um I'm not sure I specifically said that [01:03:25] we've been threatened with death [01:03:27] um [01:03:28] you know I personally haven't been but [01:03:31] um [01:03:32] you know I'm sure uh folks are uh very [01:03:36] emotional about the issue and we [01:03:37] understand we're trying to [01:03:40] um we're trying to sort of move through [01:03:43] this um as best we can [01:03:46] um that would be a police department [01:03:47] question on whether things are being [01:03:49] investigated I will I will tell you [01:03:53] um factually that there was mail that [01:03:56] went to some Town residence that had a [01:03:59] town of Hardwick return address on it [01:04:02] where it originated [01:04:04] um could have been outside the community [01:04:05] we don't know but again that would be [01:04:08] that's a police matter [01:04:14] specific to what you the great [01:04:16] acknowledgment of the HCA draft okay my [01:04:19] questions are just these first uh [01:04:22] um you said it was for an information uh [01:04:26] released [01:04:27] recording it [01:04:28] is that the only way that such a thing [01:04:30] would be available or is it not would it [01:04:34] not normally be something you would [01:04:35] share [01:04:38] anticipated another proposal for this [01:04:41] and did perhaps some of the research [01:04:44] that you all indicated was one of the [01:04:46] reasons for the delay for your no vote [01:04:48] at the time and the delay earlier and [01:04:51] there was a call for better Legal [01:04:52] Information [01:04:54] and so forth [01:04:56] I don't know that that's happened [01:04:58] there's certainly people [01:05:00] qualified people to help with that [01:05:02] to look at that and to think what's best [01:05:04] for the town are you are you [01:05:07] happened [01:05:08] hadn't reviewed it yet so is that going [01:05:10] to happen before a potential vote are [01:05:12] you going to be able to gather [01:05:14] you know the information you need to [01:05:16] determine [01:05:18] what an ACA would look like with [01:05:21] evictions and Revenue [01:05:22] bar for the town before you would make [01:05:25] sense [01:05:28] if you recall the motion that was made [01:05:30] at the meeting the motion that was made [01:05:33] which was drafted with assistance from [01:05:36] Council was that the location [01:05:39] approval was contingent upon [01:05:43] those aren't the correct words but I'm [01:05:44] paraphrasing a successful post-community [01:05:47] agreement [01:05:48] and local approvals so I would Envision [01:05:51] that [01:05:52] um [01:05:53] if the board chooses to vote on this [01:05:55] Wednesday we clearly aren't going to [01:05:57] have the final HCA and in fact something [01:06:01] we haven't discussed as a board but we [01:06:03] will and perhaps on Wednesday [01:06:06] is that [01:06:08] there be a not necessarily the board but [01:06:12] um if anyone recalls back to the [01:06:14] landfill and the community agreement [01:06:16] with the landfill there was a group of [01:06:18] people that was established to negotiate [01:06:20] that contract [01:06:22] um the board has the discretion to do [01:06:24] that and that may be a topic that is [01:06:26] discussed on Wednesday [01:06:32] so [01:06:33] um the reason so [01:06:36] um it's it's good policy for us to [01:06:38] accept the document like this um that [01:06:42] comes into the town uh I can tell you [01:06:44] for other agreements [01:06:46] um we've publicly mentioned them in [01:06:48] meetings specifically we've already [01:06:51] negotiated a host Community agreement [01:06:53] with the facility in Gilbertville and [01:06:57] um it's a public document when it comes [01:07:00] into [01:07:00] the town and perhaps the council can [01:07:03] speak to that it's the formality of it [01:07:06] is just us accepting it so that [01:07:08] procedurally we like to accept it before [01:07:11] we release it because we want to [01:07:13] acknowledge that we've actually read it [01:07:14] or we've actually seen it but we've done [01:07:17] nothing with this agreement [01:07:19] we've not discussed it if we had [01:07:21] discussed it you would have seen in an [01:07:22] open meeting [01:07:30] the draft is available now [01:07:32] because we accepted it we accept that it [01:07:34] procedurally not accepted it but it [01:07:37] accepted [01:07:38] the acknowledge receipt [01:07:40] so we acknowledge that we've received it [01:07:43] from them [01:07:56] or is it [01:07:58] so [01:08:00] okay [01:08:03] so [01:08:04] um procedurally [01:08:06] um [01:08:08] procedurally we have [01:08:10] 10 days 10 days to respond to respond if [01:08:14] we feel like we're not going to be able [01:08:15] to gather so so to give you an example [01:08:18] sometimes a foia freedom information act [01:08:20] request will come in and it's voluminous [01:08:23] and we can't gather it in 10 days [01:08:25] because it's all encompassing multiple [01:08:27] emails [01:08:31] we acknowledge receipt of it [01:08:36] you need to ask Nicole [01:08:50] Express [01:08:53] so I don't know if it was I don't know [01:09:03] okay [01:09:06] my only question is [01:09:09] a loop on that so I think it's kind of [01:09:12] an answer because there was a a petition [01:09:18] anomalies with Mobile versus web so I'll [01:09:22] check when I go home I had something to [01:09:23] check to see if it was there but there's [01:09:25] a guidelines posted [01:09:27] I'm just the transparency you've talked [01:09:29] about it no longer exists on the [01:09:31] Facebook page [01:09:37] not the same console [01:09:39] um but Alex I think it was worked out [01:09:40] with Amazon that it said [01:09:42] it said you know a vote in the negative [01:09:44] any efforts after that so again that was [01:09:46] the point like whatever we understand [01:09:48] this I mean I think with that I'm [01:09:50] concerned certain ages if they [01:09:53] 've got to be validated or that right [01:09:55] like your point [01:09:57] it could be many things on that so [01:10:01] one of them [01:10:05] Town Court will do what he needs to do [01:10:07] in this position [01:10:08] so it's not [01:10:10] um [01:10:41] artificial hosting [01:10:43] for the town of [01:10:46] our official website [01:10:50] so may our webmaster may have posted it [01:10:54] but okay [01:10:57] it's not removed [01:10:59] falling off the algorithm or something [01:11:05] I'll ask Julie [01:11:15] but there's also someone could have [01:11:18] created a fake ton of Hardware page too [01:11:20] keep that in mind [01:11:24] because I never saw anything regarding [01:11:30] oh it was a response oh okay I apologize [01:11:34] okay [01:11:41] we'll make sure it gets us [01:11:44] there was no intent to hide anything [01:12:04] has the state taken any action they [01:12:07] canceled that October 31st [01:12:10] a meeting with the applicant [01:12:14] um and [01:12:15] um has the state agricultural commission [01:12:18] taken any action on whether the [01:12:21] racetrack would even be allowed up there [01:12:25] not to mine either it's not really [01:12:29] the jurisdiction it's not really what [01:12:30] the board is going to vote on the board [01:12:31] it doesn't matter that's on the [01:12:33] applicant [01:12:34] if they're just voting on the location [01:12:36] and then they have to go through all [01:12:38] their processes to see what would be [01:12:40] allowed through APR the town has nothing [01:12:42] to do with that [01:12:43] thankfully [01:12:45] well it's putting the towns a lot is [01:12:50] that it's something that's not going to [01:12:52] be allowed by the time we're done I'm [01:12:55] right there with you on that one [01:13:03] um [01:13:11] to do the racetrack okay [01:13:14] um and [01:13:16] some people in here know that I do [01:13:18] estate sales I am in possession of a [01:13:21] whole bunch of almost brand new fuzzy [01:13:24] blankets and handmade Afghans that I'm [01:13:27] trying to get out to people people who [01:13:29] are in need basically so may want to [01:13:31] keep warm this winter so anybody and [01:13:35] since you're getting if if you run into [01:13:38] anybody over 75 that's in need of these [01:13:41] things I have dozens and thousands of [01:13:43] them and I wash them beforehand so and [01:13:46] I've caught I've contacted the person [01:13:48] right back to me but they haven't done [01:13:51] thing so I really want to get these [01:13:56] guys [01:13:59] sorry not a bad idea [01:14:06] well if you have if you know I mean you [01:14:10] know how to get in touch with me if you [01:14:11] you know just all I need to know is [01:14:13] somebody say you know like I need like [01:14:15] 20. [01:14:18] yeah [01:14:21] well the whole thing the whole thing [01:14:24] about some of the things is that you [01:14:26] know somebody said well why don't you [01:14:27] just drop them off the recycle center [01:14:28] but [01:14:30] that doesn't mean [01:14:31] that people need them there I want to [01:14:33] make sure that these go I mean this [01:14:37] okay so you know little old ladies made [01:14:41] these Afghans please let them go to a [01:14:43] little kid [01:14:45] um [01:14:56] you know I've got I get dozens of I'm [01:14:59] trying to get them out [01:15:00] foreign [01:15:26] but I think [01:15:29] at least Quantified and tallied just a [01:15:32] number of registered voters versus the [01:15:33] number of non-registered Voters that [01:15:35] have signed assigned petition I think [01:15:37] that's important too I isolate and [01:15:39] quantify [01:15:45] thank you [01:15:47] which is almost an exact same question [01:15:49] but it's about [01:15:51] um a warrant Johnson [01:15:54] um the um names that are on that [01:15:56] petition do they have addresses assigned [01:15:58] with them [01:16:01] are any of them in Eagle School [01:16:05] uh [01:16:07] yeah [01:16:11] okay [01:16:20] last one [01:16:23] I'm Phillip at 138 Mechanic Street I'll [01:16:27] go back to a prior topic I [01:16:30] know the ones who received a letter from [01:16:32] the town of country 307 Main Street [01:16:36] I'm fine opening it it's a flyer [01:16:39] certainly against the racetrack [01:16:42] and obviously I'm going to guess that's [01:16:45] misinformation because I would like you [01:16:47] to answer did [01:16:53] it yeah [01:17:06] so um [01:17:07] or we can certainly follow up with that [01:17:09] I think it's a very serious thing I [01:17:12] understand [01:17:13] um that should not be allowed [01:17:19] possible that somebody outside of our [01:17:21] community it's been known to happen in [01:17:24] other communities and talking to other [01:17:25] Town officials that somebody outside we [01:17:28] were very clear when we said this came [01:17:30] out that we got in excess of four or 500 [01:17:34] emails from people outside of the [01:17:35] community people were calling our [01:17:37] personal cell phones outside of the [01:17:39] community so [01:17:41] there's no way to know unless um the [01:17:43] police do their thing and do a [01:17:45] handwriting expert [01:17:47] um some of us receive them and I [01:17:50] honestly didn't pay any attention to [01:17:51] mine because I just figured it was [01:17:53] another attempt at whatever it was one [01:17:55] of many ways we were being harassed [01:17:58] attacked [01:18:08] then I am very much [01:18:12] so Random we will I I will be sure that [01:18:16] can we have a quiet place [01:18:19] um I'll be sure that we fall sorry that [01:18:22] was my mom voice I apologize just it's [01:18:25] been a long process for us here and I I [01:18:28] apologize my mom always comes out [01:18:30] um my daughter watches these as a side [01:18:33] and she says oh my gosh mom that was [01:18:34] your mom voice so I apologize [01:18:37] um we will look into it with the chief [01:18:39] the chief was aware of it [01:18:40] um it has been brought to his attention [01:18:42] um [01:18:43] and we will follow up and just see where [01:18:46] where they are in that process [01:18:50] um so [01:18:52] um I won't entertain any more questions [01:18:54] however the clerk has come into the room [01:18:57] I don't want to call them out but here [01:18:58] he is [01:19:00] um so Ryan um during the meeting [01:19:02] um the process with regards to petition [01:19:05] has been [01:19:07] um a questioned or requested or trying [01:19:09] to understand [01:19:20] from [01:19:26] yeah [01:19:28] so [01:19:29] um [01:19:33] everything that I put out here [01:19:37] is [01:19:42] it yes to that point if you decide [01:19:45] through considered [01:19:48] so one of the topics that was brought up [01:19:51] relative and this is the last thing [01:19:52] we'll say on this um [01:19:54] to the petition was that it is available [01:19:57] for um [01:19:59] is allowed to be signed by registered [01:20:02] voters and non-voters [01:20:04] um in the town of Harvard this petition [01:20:07] that [01:20:09] remember people Constitution [01:20:12] sorry can you come up I'm sorry [01:20:16] I just can't hear it [01:20:22] you know first amendment gives you the [01:20:23] right to petition the government okay [01:20:27] these number of people have said I don't [01:20:30] like you having your meetings on Monday [01:20:31] night I want it on Tuesday night I don't [01:20:34] like the color of the blouse that you're [01:20:36] wearing or the curtains of the or the [01:20:37] display of the flag they're under no [01:20:39] obligation [01:20:40] to address it there's nothing binding [01:20:43] within a regular petition it's a mirror [01:20:45] week expressing their thoughts and their [01:20:48] feelings and their opinions you know hey [01:20:50] the statement that they had we support [01:20:53] this this is this is what we're looking [01:20:54] for [01:20:55] the difference [01:20:56] going back to the referendum is that is [01:20:59] a binding that's a legal process [01:21:02] right that is a legal process so [01:21:05] they voted no [01:21:07] people that were in favor don't have any [01:21:09] recourse any legal recourse to make them [01:21:11] to force them to have a yes vote however [01:21:14] is [01:21:15] though [01:21:16] the people that are against it have a [01:21:17] legal recourse and that's what's spelled [01:21:19] out in 128 a13a 12 of the registered [01:21:23] voters of the town [01:21:25] registered correct registered votes [01:21:28] registered voters because that's what [01:21:30] the statute says statute says registered [01:21:34] voters so [01:21:36] has been spelled out [01:21:38] 90 years old I think it's ever been [01:21:40] exercised to be honest with you but that [01:21:43] is [01:21:44] your recourse [01:21:46] decision or to fight against a decision [01:21:48] so [01:21:51] it doesn't go the other way [01:21:53] they can't force them to go yes this [01:21:55] board [01:21:57] could ignore this if they wanted to [01:21:59] politically I don't know what the answer [01:22:00] would be but they're under no [01:22:02] legalization the only legal obligation [01:22:04] they have is under the 128 a 13A if they [01:22:08] were to vote in favor and if 12 of the [01:22:11] registered voters file a petition with [01:22:13] my office protesting [01:22:20] residents that could be from anywhere [01:22:22] cool I mean [01:22:26] to uh protest the protest [01:22:29] s [01:22:30] and with this here I mean obviously it's [01:22:33] going to have more teeth in my opinion [01:22:35] if you've got everybody from your town [01:22:37] versus you know 25 from [01:22:40] you know youth bomb shop so yeah you [01:22:44] know that's [01:22:45] right so I hope that I hope that [01:22:48] clarifies [01:22:55] and I don't know if it's possible or [01:22:58] um [01:23:00] on this listing [01:23:02] um the number of [01:23:04] registered and non-registered voters do [01:23:06] we know currently how many registered [01:23:08] voters we have the Target [01:23:10] and 74 I believe [01:23:14] plus or minus plus or minus one I [01:23:17] literally printed off a voting list [01:23:18] about a half hour ago [01:23:21] 401 so there's there's approximately [01:23:24] almost two thousand and our residents [01:23:26] are just over 26 [01:23:28] okay [01:23:30] two year procedure [01:23:31] um going through this [01:23:33] um [01:23:35] would you be able to break out [01:23:37] registered voters [01:23:52] all right [01:23:55] okay [01:23:58] I understood but but the question the [01:24:02] question was raised and so there's [01:24:04] there's nothing wrong with having the [01:24:05] information again I've said I'm a very [01:24:08] factual person I'm trying to understand [01:24:12] facts [01:24:13] um understanding you have the election [01:24:15] tomorrow [01:24:16] I I got it [01:24:18] we're just I'm asking if it's a [01:24:20] possibility [01:24:34] so there's a lot of time taking up with [01:24:36] that ordinarily when you when you sign [01:24:39] on an issue papers for about questions [01:24:41] like you know the ones that are on there [01:24:43] right now order something on the ballot [01:24:46] the Commonwealth has a system it's the [01:24:48] virtual registry information system and [01:24:50] what happens is that when I go in there [01:24:52] if I can see the signature and I know [01:24:55] who it is I can search them I can find [01:24:57] them I can click them off if I can't [01:24:59] then I can go by street address and I [01:25:01] say well yeah that's that's Jerry you [01:25:03] know [01:25:04] Jerry I'm sorry I hope that's okay [01:25:06] you know but there are some people that [01:25:08] signatures are terrible that I've seen [01:25:09] over the years that I automatically know [01:25:10] who it is oh I'm right so what's going [01:25:14] to make this a little bit more [01:25:15] challenging is the fact that [01:25:17] you know I'll have to print off a name [01:25:18] list and then a street list and then [01:25:20] manually compare them because if I'm in [01:25:23] my office I I probably [01:25:25] do those in a few hours [01:25:28] wow [01:25:34] you can petition anything you want but [01:25:36] like [01:25:42] if they had are you just saying if they [01:25:45] had approved [01:25:46] [Music] [01:25:48] yes [01:25:49] okay [01:25:55] well I mean the point being is that for [01:25:58] the 12 registered voters [01:26:00] correct correct me if I'm wrong here [01:26:02] um is only if they decide to approve the [01:26:05] location it's a two-step process they [01:26:07] need to [01:26:11] of course [01:26:22] they would fall into the same Hospital [01:26:24] says that this one here that there's [01:26:26] nothing binding behind it it's merely a [01:26:28] show of what you're so what your [01:26:30] feelings are [01:26:33] exactly [01:26:40] about myself [01:26:44] at that time what are the what are the [01:26:47] consequences of a reconsideration Vote [01:26:50] or change [01:26:58] change um Madam chair through you to the [01:27:00] clerk is the voter list [01:27:05] of my suggestion Madam chair through you [01:27:07] is that [01:27:08] um [01:27:09] the voter list is a record perhaps the [01:27:15] stationer on this petition can flag for [01:27:18] the board who on the petition or [01:27:20] registered voters so that so that the [01:27:26] going through a signature certification [01:27:28] process [01:27:29] during and uh [01:27:46] I guess potent [01:27:49] I guess uh [01:27:54] I don't even know how I was [01:27:56] hearing council is that something the [01:27:58] petitioner would want to do and the [01:28:00] petitioner would want to get a voting [01:28:01] list and go through [01:28:20] thank you [01:28:27] also there's nothing stopping us from [01:28:30] doing that [01:28:37] work has been yeah [01:28:53] okay [01:28:54] thank you returning Caldwell all right [01:28:57] um I think we will probably have enough [01:28:58] and you probably have had enough as well [01:29:03] any discussions [01:29:07] hi meeting is adjourned at 801. thank [01:29:11] you Ryan [01:29:25] each other