Hardwick FY26-FY27 Budget Review and Financial Planning

[00:00:00] together. And um uh uh tonight I'm going
[00:00:05] to keep conversation down to uh people
[00:00:09] on the boards and not have people in the
[00:00:12] audience jump in with friends. So So
[00:00:16] that's what I'm
[00:00:19] >> see.
[00:00:22] Okay.
[00:00:29] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[00:00:32] United States of America and to the
[00:00:34] republic for which it stands, one nation
[00:00:37] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[00:00:40] justice for all.
[00:00:46] >> You guys want to call your meeting?
[00:00:47] >> Yes.
[00:00:48] >> And feel free, please come up and sit at
[00:00:50] the table. Um
[00:00:54] order at uh
[00:01:00] >> 601 601
[00:01:06] chairs.
[00:01:06] >> Yeah.
[00:01:18] Sorry.
[00:01:20] >> How you have
[00:01:24] I probably uh gave it to other people.
[00:01:27] I've had it for over a week now.
[00:01:31] My mom always told me you can't get rid
[00:01:33] of it.
[00:01:39] >> You guys open.
[00:01:41] >> Um I was thinking since uh Mr. Corsix's
[00:01:45] been a liaison that he might like to
[00:01:49] pass this to him and see if he has a
[00:01:51] structure for tonight's arguments.
[00:01:55] Um, so let me just say it's many of you
[00:02:00] I've talked to oneonone. if I haven't at
[00:02:03] least I would like to if there's any
[00:02:06] questions but I broke this down into a
[00:02:09] in order to be the layers between
[00:02:11] everybody at least a way to look at it
[00:02:13] at a 10,000 ft level and so I think the
[00:02:16] best way to start this discussion comes
[00:02:19] from that 10,000 foot level so there's
[00:02:22] 150 line items in that budget that
[00:02:25] Justine has passed on to us and I found
[00:02:28] it very confusing to go over each one of
[00:02:31] them when in fact there is some
[00:02:33] similarities to some of those that we
[00:02:35] might want to group together and
[00:02:37] understand that as a single line item
[00:02:38] within the within the budget but with
[00:02:41] many items underneath it. So I wanted to
[00:02:44] uh at least take those 150 line items
[00:02:47] and I broke them down into nine
[00:02:50] u types
[00:02:53] uh of costs or of expenses. And so I if
[00:02:57] you haven't seen it I put it into a pie
[00:02:58] chart like this but I think you've seen
[00:03:00] it you've seen it. I showed it to you
[00:03:02] and showed it to you. I did not get a
[00:03:04] chance to show it to you. I have nuts. I
[00:03:06] show it. What's that?
[00:03:07] >> I have nuts.
[00:03:08] >> Okay. So, anyhow, this like just let me
[00:03:11] give you the nine segments. So, so it's
[00:03:13] it's schools,
[00:03:15] administration,
[00:03:17] police,
[00:03:19] highway,
[00:03:20] insurance,
[00:03:22] general uh government,
[00:03:25] debt, and fire department.
[00:03:28] All right.
[00:03:30] Can you give that to us in session?
[00:03:33] >> That was in order of how from the
[00:03:35] largest to the smallest portion of our
[00:03:37] budget, which let let's just say that
[00:03:39] the budget ends up being uh $7 million.
[00:03:43] Let's just use that as a nice round
[00:03:44] number. So almost half of that is
[00:03:46] schools. Um
[00:03:49] the police department uh would be this
[00:03:51] uh the administration of the uh of the
[00:03:54] town which is including uh retirements
[00:03:57] and and some insuranceances and things
[00:03:59] like that becomes the second largest
[00:04:01] police the third largest and so we just
[00:04:04] breaking those down the one thing that's
[00:04:05] missing and that I thought might be a
[00:04:07] very important part uh for us to at
[00:04:10] least consider is the u water treatment
[00:04:15] uh pollution water pollution treatment
[00:04:17] facility, which is what what Scott likes
[00:04:19] to call it, because it's representing
[00:04:21] about another $900,000 chunk of
[00:04:23] operating expenses and income that we
[00:04:26] need to be having done cons, you know,
[00:04:29] at the same time. Okay? Because I
[00:04:31] >> that is not part of what I
[00:04:32] >> that's not part of what I do. So that
[00:04:34] would be that if you took the the wet
[00:04:37] water treatment facility, uh that would
[00:04:40] probably be
[00:04:42] equal to or a little more than the
[00:04:45] police department budget. And that
[00:04:46] police department budget is
[00:04:49] so large because in it is the new brain
[00:04:52] tree which then goes to the revenue side
[00:04:55] there. So
[00:04:55] >> to offset it
[00:04:56] >> to offset it. So it's it's it's a bigger
[00:04:59] number but it's a pass through. So then
[00:05:01] if I look at the top five revenue
[00:05:04] generators okay 75% is through property
[00:05:08] taxes
[00:05:10] 10% is through state receipts.
[00:05:12] uh 5% in excise taxes. Uh 3% comes from
[00:05:18] the New Brainree Police uh New Brainree
[00:05:21] Police Department reimbursement to us or
[00:05:23] offsetting that. So that's a sizable
[00:05:25] number. And then u pilots payment in l
[00:05:30] of taxes. Um the major contributor to
[00:05:33] that would be the u I believe on a pilot
[00:05:36] it would be um
[00:05:38] >> the state the state of Massachusetts,
[00:05:41] right? um all other all other revenue
[00:05:44] streams is 5%. So 75 just breaking it
[00:05:48] down 75% is is generated through raising
[00:05:52] taxes.
[00:05:54] If you look at the and I think this is
[00:05:56] kind of one of those things that in the
[00:05:57] long term we want to look at is that 5%
[00:06:01] of revenue stream that's all other it is
[00:06:05] it is worth looking at each individual
[00:06:07] and there's some really interesting
[00:06:09] things you can gather from that for
[00:06:11] instance I just just to give you an
[00:06:12] example water revenue is $19,300
[00:06:16] in the budget water expenses is $20,000
[00:06:22] so it would lead you to say, "Well,
[00:06:24] geez, we might might want to increase
[00:06:26] that revenue stream by $700 at least to
[00:06:29] break even to provide municipal water."
[00:06:32] So, some of these little things could
[00:06:34] turn into fairly sizable things. So, um
[00:06:39] I guess the the other thing that poked
[00:06:41] me in the eye uh was investments. Uh it
[00:06:44] probably the smallest pie of all. So,
[00:06:46] whatever we've got our money in, the
[00:06:48] money that we generate as investment is
[00:06:50] really small, really small. And it would
[00:06:53] make you wonder where is that where is
[00:06:55] that investment money coming from and is
[00:06:58] there a better way to leverage it. It
[00:07:00] might help us pay for some of these um
[00:07:04] re uh expenses that we're going to be
[00:07:06] talking about today in these nine
[00:07:08] sections. It may come to the fact that
[00:07:10] that might save one one particular
[00:07:13] budget line item if we can find a better
[00:07:16] understanding of that revenue stream.
[00:07:18] So that's where we are
[00:07:21] and I think the the uh if I if I
[00:07:24] remember this right one of the things
[00:07:26] that would be best beneficial for us all
[00:07:29] uh since the way I understand you've put
[00:07:31] the latest figures together you have
[00:07:34] highlighted on that those items uh on
[00:07:37] the budget that have not been firmed up
[00:07:40] and the school is a perfect example of
[00:07:42] that and the new branch tree
[00:07:44] reimbursement is also a a good example
[00:07:46] of that so that we can we can look at
[00:07:49] something that is going to be okay to
[00:07:51] look at. It's been it's been it's first
[00:07:54] pass is what Justine put together. The
[00:07:57] second pass would be something that we
[00:07:58] would want to at least look at and say,
[00:08:00] "Okay, let's hear what makes up that
[00:08:02] number." So, the police department is
[00:08:04] here today. Uh it is the second largest
[00:08:07] next to schools and schools of course is
[00:08:09] not it's not here yet. We don't have a
[00:08:12] number for the schools. So the best
[00:08:14] thing to do is if we could look at the
[00:08:16] police department budget because it's
[00:08:18] been firmed up at Justine's level. I'm
[00:08:20] assuming that Justine got those numbers
[00:08:22] from the police department. So the
[00:08:24] question is
[00:08:26] can we review it to understand it and
[00:08:28] then we can do the same thing with
[00:08:29] administration because uh a lot of that
[00:08:32] Justine has got a pretty good handle on
[00:08:34] and she can explain to us. There may be
[00:08:36] some questions and some comments that we
[00:08:38] want but I think that would be the first
[00:08:39] pass that we would like to look at. So
[00:08:42] that's where I stand. I am no longer the
[00:08:44] leazison after today.
[00:08:49] I can't
[00:08:49] >> I just don't want to talk oneonone with
[00:08:51] you.
[00:08:51] >> Oh, I do. I really don't. I don't mind
[00:08:53] doing this if that's the chairman's the
[00:08:56] chairman of the
[00:08:57] >> I'd rather have everything on public and
[00:08:58] public meeting.
[00:08:59] >> Sure. Right.
[00:09:00] >> Discussion so the public can see it.
[00:09:01] >> Sure.
[00:09:02] >> From this moment forward.
[00:09:03] >> Yeah, that's all right with me, too. I
[00:09:05] don't I don't have a problem with that.
[00:09:06] >> All right.
[00:09:06] >> Yeah.
[00:09:07] >> Thank you.
[00:09:09] So, you want to start with the police
[00:09:11] budget?
[00:09:11] >> Well, it's going to turn it I'll let
[00:09:13] turn it back over to you and I think
[00:09:15] that's uh uh we'll we'll have that
[00:09:18] discourse on the individual line items
[00:09:20] if we're interested in going to the line
[00:09:22] items.
[00:09:23] >> Okay.
[00:09:24] >> I have some questions on revenue, sir.
[00:09:26] >> Okay.
[00:09:28] Um I'm looking at prior year levy limit,
[00:09:31] prior year amendment growth. Subtotal
[00:09:34] for that two and a half times the the
[00:09:36] new growth. new growth adjustment. Um
[00:09:39] >> 2 and a2%.
[00:09:40] >> Yeah, two and a half%.
[00:09:41] >> Said not two and a half times.
[00:09:42] >> No, two and a half%.
[00:09:43] >> Right. Uh the debt exclusion, the
[00:09:47] maximum levy, what the cherry sheet
[00:09:50] actually are.
[00:09:52] >> Um estimated local receipts,
[00:09:55] um any capital improvement funds, free
[00:09:58] cash, stabilization funds, and any new
[00:10:02] fee funds as our total basket or bucket
[00:10:05] for revenue.
[00:10:08] All right.
[00:10:08] >> Yeah, that that is that is a topic that
[00:10:11] has to come up. I mean, we need to look
[00:10:12] at that number because it's the it's the
[00:10:14] denominator if I understand this right
[00:10:16] when you're looking at whether you got a
[00:10:18] balance but balance not on the balance
[00:10:20] sheet type but if you're looking at the
[00:10:22] way normally you look at it
[00:10:24] >> the numerator and the denominator and
[00:10:26] the denominator is income the numerator
[00:10:29] is expenses.
[00:10:30] >> All right. Well, one one area I'm I'm
[00:10:33] concerned about is we potentially have a
[00:10:37] solar payment coming this year by like
[00:10:39] December cuz we signed that solar
[00:10:41] >> pure surge. Yes. The
[00:10:43] >> So I'm wondering how that revenue is
[00:10:45] that just set aside?
[00:10:47] >> No,
[00:10:47] >> because and this is so where is it? Is
[00:10:51] it for going strict strictly into
[00:10:54] capitalization?
[00:10:55] >> No, that is miscellaneous revenue um in
[00:10:57] the revenue projections.
[00:10:59] >> Okay. But we're not using it to fund
[00:11:00] this budget.
[00:11:01] >> No.
[00:11:02] >> Okay. I'm I'm I'm verifying that cuz
[00:11:04] >> because that's
[00:11:07] we might or might not get
[00:11:08] >> You want to see the cherry sheet?
[00:11:10] >> Sure.
[00:11:13] >> Just be patient for it.
[00:11:15] >> Well, that's what I'm saying. I cuz we
[00:11:17] don't want to be funding reoccurring
[00:11:20] like
[00:11:22] >> services
[00:11:23] and and on a a a payment that we
[00:11:26] potentially have or don't have.
[00:11:28] >> Yeah.
[00:11:28] You know what I mean?
[00:11:30] >> I think I I think one of the you know
[00:11:31] for me at least um the revenue stream I
[00:11:34] is a very important one and I don't
[00:11:36] think we know enough about it yet to be
[00:11:38] able to say that that I don't know if
[00:11:40] those are fixed but if you'd like them
[00:11:42] to be fixed and if they change we want
[00:11:44] to make sure we're not changing the
[00:11:45] denominator just because we would be
[00:11:48] bigger.
[00:11:48] >> So when you when I when I estimate um
[00:11:50] sorry I have no voice I apologize. um
[00:11:54] you know when I estimate revenue for
[00:11:56] next year I do look at the miscellane
[00:11:58] miscellaneous non-reoccurring um so
[00:12:00] that's where that's plugged in um I look
[00:12:02] at you know building permits I look at
[00:12:04] to your point I look at um investments
[00:12:06] which we are actually seeing an increase
[00:12:08] this year cuz our money market accounts
[00:12:10] in our general fund was sitting so low
[00:12:13] now we're actually earning um interest
[00:12:15] so that's all built in there as well um
[00:12:17] we're actually um we've been incurring
[00:12:20] like thou a few thousand a month now um
[00:12:24] in interest on on our accounts which we
[00:12:26] weren't as of last year. The $10,000
[00:12:29] that I built in last year for um
[00:12:32] administrative cost that's also built
[00:12:34] into the revenue.
[00:12:35] >> Um so I and the breakdown is on the um
[00:12:40] the spreadsheet that I sent you
[00:12:41] electronically. It's the second tab
[00:12:42] where you can see last year compared to
[00:12:44] this year.
[00:12:45] >> Okay. Okay. So, so maybe my confusion on
[00:12:48] that is I was looking at local receipts
[00:12:50] and fiscal year 25 was 1,86,000.
[00:12:54] Then fiscal year 2020 26 was uh 1,8
[00:12:58] 1,86,000
[00:13:00] and then 20 27 was 1,187,000
[00:13:05] and I just want to make sure that
[00:13:06] 100,000 is not going to be fun in the
[00:13:09] budget. That's that's so that way we in
[00:13:12] 2028 we don't have a shortfall. There's
[00:13:14] nothing else coming,
[00:13:15] >> right?
[00:13:16] >> Okay.
[00:13:17] >> It's like hiring a full-timer on a grant
[00:13:20] cuz the grant dies and
[00:13:21] >> Well, there's no guarantee we're even
[00:13:23] going to get the 100.
[00:13:25] >> I think we need I need we need to poke
[00:13:27] all of the individual items on the on
[00:13:29] the on the revenue side, but I think uh
[00:13:31] we also need to start working on those
[00:13:33] 150 line items so we can at least get an
[00:13:35] >> No, I I get it, but I just I want
[00:13:38] clarity. Yeah. How do we do this? And
[00:13:40] also free cash cuz all this comes back
[00:13:43] down cuz like right now there's free
[00:13:44] cash of75,000
[00:13:46] >> 71
[00:13:46] >> but we spent $39,000 on a cruiser.
[00:13:49] >> No.
[00:13:50] >> Well, we're going to finance it.
[00:13:51] >> Um Mr. Chair, do you mind?
[00:13:53] >> Um so we have 71,000 in free cash,
[00:13:55] right? Yeah.
[00:13:56] >> Um the other half of the cruiser is
[00:13:58] coming from capital stabilization.
[00:13:59] >> Okay.
[00:14:00] >> And then we have our regular
[00:14:01] stabilization which is over 300,000.
[00:14:04] >> Okay. And didn't you mention you want to
[00:14:06] like finance the cruiser versus take
[00:14:08] out?
[00:14:09] >> That's done. That's hard.
[00:14:10] >> Thank you. But we can't we still do
[00:14:12] that?
[00:14:12] >> No. Well, why not?
[00:14:13] >> I thought we couldn't because you have
[00:14:14] to in order to finance it, you'd have to
[00:14:17] have the the title to the car,
[00:14:20] >> right?
[00:14:20] >> And you can't finance it if you won't
[00:14:22] get it. The grant requires you to have
[00:14:25] the title in order to
[00:14:28] I know Chris had mentioned you wanted to
[00:14:30] take that cost.
[00:14:31] >> We had this problem.
[00:14:33] >> We had the same problem with my previous
[00:14:35] uh cruiser type thing, right, Jeep? Is
[00:14:37] that That's true.
[00:14:38] >> Yeah. because we're getting the grant
[00:14:40] money to do it.
[00:14:41] >> No, I understand that part of it. I was
[00:14:43] just wondering if you could possibly
[00:14:44] juggle it around since we still have a
[00:14:46] little time before now and June 30th.
[00:14:50] >> Mr. Chair, the way the town meeting was,
[00:14:53] it has to come out of capital
[00:14:54] stabilization. There's no other way cuz
[00:14:56] that's the way the town meeting was.
[00:14:58] >> Yeah, it's too bad. But use up all those
[00:15:01] funds because it's going to limit our
[00:15:03] ability to do other capital projects.
[00:15:07] Okay. And there's a few
[00:15:09] >> Yeah. And if if we had known that going
[00:15:11] if we had known that going in, we'd be
[00:15:13] have done something different. But, you
[00:15:15] know, I talked to uh Justine and the
[00:15:18] chief in December. Um that's we we all
[00:15:21] agreed that's what we want to do and it
[00:15:24] didn't happen that way. So,
[00:15:27] >> we apolog
[00:15:33] That's that's all I had on the revenue
[00:15:34] bucket. So,
[00:15:35] >> there'll be more.
[00:15:37] Okay. Anybody else?
[00:15:42] Are we each going to take a piece of
[00:15:43] this and go home and noodle it? And
[00:15:46] >> I would say let let couldn't we deal
[00:15:48] with with the police department's budget
[00:15:50] there that part of the pie so that we
[00:15:52] all understand it? And
[00:15:53] >> you guys be up for that chief.
[00:15:56] >> I can give you a preliminary. I didn't
[00:15:57] come fully prepared to go over
[00:15:59] everything, but I can give you a
[00:16:00] preliminary.
[00:16:02] >> Justine could explain. Yeah. And he
[00:16:04] could support it, I guess.
[00:16:13] I'm really sorry I sound like this.
[00:16:16] >> I am, but I have one one question, just
[00:16:18] a general question. When I look at these
[00:16:20] 100 items, um, I just want to ask
[00:16:22] whether or not
[00:16:25] it looks like in 2025 it was $22,000. In
[00:16:28] 2026, it was 24 it was this. It's the
[00:16:32] same amount of money. Do we ever use
[00:16:33] actuals to set a budget? or do we just
[00:16:36] roll it ask for the same amount of
[00:16:38] money?
[00:16:38] >> So if you look in your book, I have your
[00:16:40] the 25 actuals and then 26 obviously
[00:16:43] we're still linked. So I don't have the
[00:16:44] actual and then there's the 27. So
[00:16:47] >> So this this chart doesn't show actual.
[00:16:49] >> No, that's just what was budgeted a town
[00:16:50] meeting.
[00:16:51] >> So I have to go to
[00:16:54] I think it's the 20 You can set up the
[00:16:56] 2025 audit of all the actual expenses.
[00:17:00] >> The audit?
[00:17:00] >> Yeah,
[00:17:01] >> we're doing the audit now.
[00:17:02] >> No, I said 2025's audit.
[00:17:04] >> Yeah, that's all right. Sorry.
[00:17:06] >> You want me to send it to
[00:17:08] >> actual everyone?
[00:17:10] >> Well, in the board and
[00:17:13] >> I can
[00:17:15] salaries
[00:17:16] >> and also the um
[00:17:18] >> fiscal year 2026
[00:17:20] >> actual versus expenses
[00:17:25] >> year to date
[00:17:25] >> because we're still in it. So I don't
[00:17:26] have like
[00:17:27] >> right I I have I have Februaries
[00:17:31] Februaries
[00:17:32] >> but if we if she But it's it was the
[00:17:35] beginning of February, so it's probably
[00:17:37] through January. So once she closes out
[00:17:39] February, if you can send that you have
[00:17:43] I can I can send it out tomorrow.
[00:17:45] >> Okay, fantastic.
[00:17:46] >> If you have
[00:17:47] >> and just send it to copy everyone.
[00:17:49] >> No problem.
[00:17:50] >> Thank you.
[00:17:54] >> So just to be clear to your question,
[00:17:57] >> the actuals are in the tabs. Yeah,
[00:18:02] >> you turn the tab, you'll get the actual.
[00:18:03] You will not find the actuals in this
[00:18:05] budget sheet of 151.
[00:18:07] >> But if you have any specific questions,
[00:18:08] I might actually.
[00:18:09] >> So, I guess a real good question. So, in
[00:18:11] 2025, we spent $39,000 on repair and
[00:18:14] fuel. Then we set a budget of $47,000
[00:18:17] for 2026
[00:18:19] $47,000 requested for 2027 and
[00:18:22] recommended.
[00:18:24] Where's the,
[00:18:26] >> you know, historic history that supports
[00:18:28] adding $10,000? But again, it's because
[00:18:32] they're working on 27 27 budget. So, I
[00:18:35] wonder what how did 26 come.
[00:18:38] >> We have
[00:18:40] 26.
[00:18:41] >> So, do we have
[00:18:43] one? I don't have
[00:18:45] my
[00:18:47] >> I'm just picking anything that has like
[00:18:49] I can tell you exactly the penny what I
[00:18:51] spent right this second. Got it. So,
[00:18:53] this So the last warrant in fuel I spent
[00:18:56] $8,927.
[00:18:58] >> $8,927
[00:19:00] >> the last warrant. So the last warrant
[00:19:02] cycle which would have been $225
[00:19:05] and that was $8,927.
[00:19:08] So I looked at that today. Um in the
[00:19:10] last four years I average $18,000 in
[00:19:13] fuel.
[00:19:18] >> I also have here a date with me until
[00:19:20] February 10th. And what do we have in
[00:19:22] the budget?
[00:19:23] >> 47,000.
[00:19:24] >> So it's 25,000 for fuel mark that's been
[00:19:27] in there. So it's 2020.
[00:19:29] >> It says expenditures for repair and
[00:19:31] fuel.
[00:19:31] >> Yep.
[00:19:32] >> So it's repair. So yeah,
[00:19:33] >> it's both an outline item. So there's
[00:19:35] 21,000 for repair and there was 25,000
[00:19:38] for fuel. That 25,000 for fuel has been
[00:19:41] sitting there since about 2020. Uh when
[00:19:44] the fuel prices started fluctuating,
[00:19:46] that's when they put it in there. I
[00:19:48] didn't go back to 2020. I know when we
[00:19:50] were in that area we were spending about
[00:19:52] 24,000 as the prices have come down it's
[00:19:55] about 181 19,000 is about our average
[00:20:00] >> and that just changes along with the
[00:20:02] market
[00:20:02] >> it yeah it's market price it's state bid
[00:20:06] but it fluctuates with the market
[00:20:10] >> so my actual budget for the town of
[00:20:12] Hardwick
[00:20:14] >> Mhm. For fiscal 26 is 650,500.
[00:20:19] It
[00:20:19] >> is 657
[00:20:22] 650,57.76.
[00:20:28] >> It's not 900,000 is what he's saying.
[00:20:30] >> The 900.
[00:20:31] >> Well, I have right here 675463.
[00:20:34] So that's why I'm asking.
[00:20:36] >> I was showing 650 on my on my
[00:20:39] >> Yeah, this is a this is a common problem
[00:20:41] we have. So Okay.
[00:20:44] You wrote a similar number or
[00:20:45] >> I have the 675 685 463.
[00:20:49] >> No, that's what I'm requesting for
[00:20:50] fiscal 27.
[00:20:52] >> Yeah, that's f I'm saying my fiscal 126
[00:20:55] my current operating budget
[00:20:57] >> is 650.
[00:21:00] >> Oh, I see 76. Got it.
[00:21:02] >> It is not $900,000. the $900,000
[00:21:06] >> fiscal year 27.
[00:21:08] >> It includes the town of the Brain Tree
[00:21:11] and there is an in and out for taxation
[00:21:13] purposes for this town. My fiscal 26
[00:21:16] operating budget was only $650,000.
[00:21:21] >> Exactly. Exactly. Now, the reason why it
[00:21:23] comes out that way is because they put
[00:21:26] it into the revenue stream.
[00:21:28] >> So, to make it to make it offset it, we
[00:21:31] have to make that note. It's an in and
[00:21:34] out. So in 3 months the town of New
[00:21:37] Brain Street can say we're done. That
[00:21:39] money then doesn't come in anymore.
[00:21:42] >> That's why it's important to have the
[00:21:43] two numbers separated.
[00:21:44] >> Yes. Exactly.
[00:21:45] >> That's why it's always been separated.
[00:21:47] >> You look at the impact of your decision
[00:21:50] will affect two numbers.
[00:21:51] >> Correct.
[00:21:51] >> One is one is this expense and the other
[00:21:54] is the revenue side.
[00:21:55] >> Correct. And numerator and denominator.
[00:21:57] So this this is perfect for what we
[00:21:59] should do and the revenue side of New
[00:22:02] Brainree is going to change once new
[00:22:03] brain okay
[00:22:05] >> once new brain it will match the numbers
[00:22:07] so the numbers that New Brainree pays is
[00:22:10] exactly what Hardwick pays there is no
[00:22:12] loss to the town of Hardwick at all
[00:22:15] >> it covers everything
[00:22:16] >> that's why it's in yellow because I just
[00:22:18] copied from last year because I I have
[00:22:20] no idea they haven't even started the
[00:22:22] budget
[00:22:22] >> I'm just looking at the the revenue it's
[00:22:24] level funding right now it's whatever
[00:22:26] this year because this this will be a
[00:22:29] 27, but there'll be a, you know, a
[00:22:31] little bit of an adjustment.
[00:22:32] >> There will be able to match. Yes. And
[00:22:34] it'll be able to 100% match what the
[00:22:36] town is saying that they're going to get
[00:22:38] it.
[00:22:39] >> Um, the only time it does increase where
[00:22:43] you might get a little bit more is if
[00:22:44] payroll taxes and stuff are more than
[00:22:46] what they estimated. The town of New
[00:22:48] Brainree still pays hardwork for all the
[00:22:50] taxes and stuff that they pay. So, it
[00:22:52] might be actually a little bit more than
[00:22:54] what um is budgeted for. It's always
[00:22:56] more, not less,
[00:22:58] >> right?
[00:22:58] >> Yeah. Unfortunately.
[00:22:59] >> Yeah. Yeah. So,
[00:23:02] >> nice question.
[00:23:04] >> Well, actually has less to do with the
[00:23:05] police than some of the other stuff like
[00:23:07] we still have a $40,000 copier thing in
[00:23:10] there or something.
[00:23:11] >> That's it.
[00:23:12] >> It in general in general.
[00:23:15] >> But didn't that go down?
[00:23:17] >> No, we did not actually get to that. And
[00:23:20] if I may, my current operating budget
[00:23:22] where I'm sitting at right now, just
[00:23:24] about every single one of my line items
[00:23:25] is at 63%. Which is where I should be at
[00:23:28] this point in my budget, right?
[00:23:30] >> So everything is right on target of what
[00:23:32] we budgeted for and where we are,
[00:23:34] >> right? It just shows you're managing
[00:23:36] your budget.
[00:23:36] >> We are. And I mean, in all my years, I
[00:23:39] don't think we've ever gone outside the
[00:23:41] budget without going to you guys saying
[00:23:42] we have an emergency and we have a
[00:23:43] problem. We need your help.
[00:23:45] >> Fantastic. So, we this budget funded by
[00:23:49] the town of Hardwick funds five
[00:23:51] full-time police officers.
[00:23:55] >> Okay.
[00:23:55] >> Okay. And that funds them. The new brain
[00:23:58] tree budget funds two full-time police
[00:24:00] officers, but for this town's purposes,
[00:24:03] it funds five.
[00:24:04] >> Okay.
[00:24:05] >> Kevin, can you elaborate a little bit
[00:24:06] more on what those what what the
[00:24:08] distribution of those five are for the
[00:24:10] people that haven't had the same
[00:24:12] conversation? So the five officers gives
[00:24:14] you 24/7 coverage, one officer shift. So
[00:24:18] that gives you 24/7 365, one officer on
[00:24:21] the road at all hours. Um the offset
[00:24:24] with new brain tree gives us the ability
[00:24:26] to add one officer on dayshift, one
[00:24:28] officer on eh shift to have two officers
[00:24:30] when someone's not on vacation. Uh
[00:24:33] basically the overtime line item covers
[00:24:35] holidays. So when the guys work, they're
[00:24:37] holiday. They get time of half of course
[00:24:39] by law so that they're in working. I
[00:24:42] would say off the top of my head about
[00:24:44] 85% of our overtime is just covering
[00:24:47] holiday shifts. The others will do if an
[00:24:50] officer's on uh vacation, it'll backfill
[00:24:53] that officer to maintain our one officer
[00:24:55] on 24/7.
[00:24:58] >> Okay. And I guess the only thing that
[00:25:01] the footnote here should be should you
[00:25:04] have an accident or taking an officer
[00:25:06] out of out of the picture like it
[00:25:09] happened a few years ago, you had to
[00:25:11] come to the uh finance committee to be
[00:25:13] able to cover the overtime cost that you
[00:25:15] were going to incur.
[00:25:16] >> Exactly.
[00:25:17] >> And that's an I want to chase myself.
[00:25:21] >> That is the problem with a small town.
[00:25:22] We don't have and I want to say the
[00:25:24] extra manpower but god forbid something
[00:25:27] happens and it does affect us
[00:25:28] dramatically when the one goes down.
[00:25:32] >> Do you have other
[00:25:34] wages, salaries, matrons?
[00:25:37] >> So we still have two matrons. Um and we
[00:25:40] have one part-time officer that uh works
[00:25:43] occasionally with law enforcement reform
[00:25:45] in 2020. Part-time officers went away.
[00:25:48] There are no more part-time officers.
[00:25:50] They have to be full-time trained. that
[00:25:52] they have to maintain fulltime training
[00:25:54] that I have to maintain as a full-time
[00:25:57] police officer. So, the old days of
[00:26:00] being able to have I think when I
[00:26:01] started there was 15 of us part-time,
[00:26:04] that's long gone. Um because the cost to
[00:26:06] maintain one of them is the same as
[00:26:08] maintaining a full-time person now. Um
[00:26:10] the same 40 hours of training and
[00:26:13] everything that we're required to do.
[00:26:15] Okay.
[00:26:17] Uh chief, there's a new line item this
[00:26:19] this year uh pensionable stipens. So all
[00:26:22] that is is under my salary. Um so my
[00:26:26] salary is a base the base salary is
[00:26:29] there is the 109 which is what the my
[00:26:31] contract says. That next line item is
[00:26:35] what my college degree and longevity
[00:26:37] would be. Um just to show the difference
[00:26:39] of what it was that I'm if Jim was here,
[00:26:42] he would have been getting the same
[00:26:43] thing. And now that I'm here with a
[00:26:45] masters, that's what it is.
[00:26:46] >> Okay. So that that So add the 109 and
[00:26:49] the 14 is is your salary?
[00:26:52] >> Yes.
[00:26:53] >> It's just to be more transparent.
[00:26:55] >> All right. All right.
[00:26:57] >> Roughly 124 125.
[00:27:00] >> Okay.
[00:27:01] >> So the matrons don't get paid.
[00:27:04] >> No, they do get paid if they come out.
[00:27:06] >> Okay.
[00:27:07] >> So only if we call them out. Um I What
[00:27:10] are we averaging? Maybe three or four a
[00:27:12] year.
[00:27:12] >> Yeah. Not a lot.
[00:27:14] >> It's female arrests are not a majority
[00:27:18] of our calls.
[00:27:18] >> And your your full-timer who's really
[00:27:21] part-time,
[00:27:22] he works other outfits as well.
[00:27:25] >> Yes. Yeah.
[00:27:28] Is there a budget line item for for that
[00:27:30] particular
[00:27:31] >> So, we used to, if you all remember, we
[00:27:33] had a part-time line item and last year
[00:27:35] when we met with finance and the select
[00:27:37] board, it was decided to just put it all
[00:27:38] in the overtime account because it
[00:27:40] wasn't as much of a use anymore because
[00:27:43] they weren't being used. So, it's coming
[00:27:45] out of that account.
[00:27:46] >> Okay.
[00:27:48] >> Chief, there's two two lines that had
[00:27:51] money in 25 that don't have money
[00:27:53] anymore. or is that something that
[00:27:55] changed the uh police reserve wages and
[00:27:57] the police?
[00:27:58] >> That's the one we were just talking
[00:27:58] about, Warren, where I had all the part-
[00:28:00] timerrs before and we got rid of them.
[00:28:02] >> That line item back in the day was like
[00:28:04] $58,000.
[00:28:06] >> So that's a savings.
[00:28:08] >> It is at this point now it is. Yes.
[00:28:16] And the only other thing I noticed on
[00:28:18] here that takes a big jump is um uh
[00:28:21] hardwood building maintenance goes from
[00:28:23] 10 to 25. Is there is a different?
[00:28:26] >> Yes, sir. Uh there's it's 10 online
[00:28:31] >> building expense 402 lower road. You
[00:28:33] refer
[00:28:34] >> building maintenance expense $10,000
[00:28:36] here but it's 25
[00:28:38] under the recommend. It should not be.
[00:28:42] It should be 10,000. It was level
[00:28:44] funded.
[00:28:44] >> Okay. Right.
[00:28:46] >> And that's the street.
[00:28:48] >> Yes.
[00:28:49] >> And then
[00:28:49] >> it's
[00:28:51] the tab is wrong.
[00:28:53] >> The tabs.
[00:28:53] >> Yeah.
[00:28:54] >> We have one line item. It's a police
[00:28:56] expense.
[00:28:57] >> Yes.
[00:28:57] >> And it's this year is 27,000.
[00:29:01] Next year is going to be 28,000. So that
[00:29:04] 28 is a if we had an amazing year
[00:29:07] >> and we had some free funds is what I had
[00:29:10] said that you know I would like that so
[00:29:11] that we had some leeway because there is
[00:29:13] no like I say by June 30th I'm out we
[00:29:17] have expended everything and we're not
[00:29:19] just buying toys or anything like that.
[00:29:21] It's just operating costs otherwise I'm
[00:29:23] just requesting a level funded expense
[00:29:26] for this coming year.
[00:29:27] >> What exactly is in this expense?
[00:29:29] >> So the expense actually covers just
[00:29:30] about all our operating. So, um, my
[00:29:34] report software, the RMS that runs
[00:29:36] everything.
[00:29:37] >> Okay.
[00:29:37] >> Um, that maintenance now is $6,600 a
[00:29:40] year. That comes out of there. The
[00:29:42] fingerprint machine is $2,800 a year. I
[00:29:46] split that with new Brain Tree.
[00:29:47] >> Um, so we're still talking about $1,400
[00:29:49] about there. It comes out of there. The
[00:29:51] body cameras are coming out of there
[00:29:53] now. Um, we had to replace the body
[00:29:55] cameras this year. Ours failed. Uh, we
[00:29:57] had to go to new ones. Um, I worked with
[00:30:00] Motorola. I got them for basically half
[00:30:02] price. I'm in a 5-year program with
[00:30:05] them. Year three, I'll get brand new
[00:30:07] cameras and we can lock in a new price
[00:30:10] and move forward.
[00:30:11] >> How much is a camera?
[00:30:12] >> So, the cameras are $4,800 a year with
[00:30:15] cloud storage.
[00:30:16] >> Each one is 48.
[00:30:17] >> No, 4,800 for the eight of them.
[00:30:19] >> Okay.
[00:30:20] >> So, and that gives me my cloud storage
[00:30:22] cuz before um
[00:30:25] what are you calling? You're not
[00:30:27] computer personal
[00:30:29] >> server. So, our server, it had a server
[00:30:32] and a backup that we were just
[00:30:34] maintaining that scared the heck out of
[00:30:36] me
[00:30:37] >> cuz it had all our videos, but our body
[00:30:39] came finally failed. So, that's also
[00:30:41] part of that expense. Um,
[00:30:44] trying to think of some of the other big
[00:30:46] ticket items. Um,
[00:30:48] >> no, I was just so people understood
[00:30:50] what's in expense versus just the line
[00:30:53] item expense.
[00:30:54] >> Yep. So that covers all the day-to-day
[00:30:56] operational costs of our department.
[00:30:58] It's like the licensing for a lot of our
[00:31:01] um software for the state.
[00:31:03] >> We have service. Yes. Those are almost
[00:31:05] $1,000 a subscription a year
[00:31:07] >> depending on those and what ones we're
[00:31:09] using.
[00:31:10] >> A lot of that too I do split with Brain
[00:31:13] Tree as much as we can. So anything that
[00:31:15] we can say is both towns can use and we
[00:31:18] will split the cost between the two.
[00:31:20] Great.
[00:31:21] >> How often do you have to replace the
[00:31:22] vests? The vests are at a 4year cycle is
[00:31:27] what they are. Um, so
[00:31:30] that $3,000 has been in there forever.
[00:31:33] That covers my ability to replace two
[00:31:36] vests a year. Basically, it's about a
[00:31:37] vest and a half a year. Um, and it's not
[00:31:40] like a sharable item. The best way to
[00:31:42] describe vest is like someone's
[00:31:44] underwear. You're wearing it against
[00:31:45] your body. It's sweaty. Um, it's yours
[00:31:48] and it's sized and fitted for you. Um,
[00:31:51] so that keeps that going and then um we
[00:31:55] can apply to the state to get
[00:31:57] reimbursement in from the federal
[00:31:58] government. Sometimes we get
[00:32:00] reimbursement, sometimes we don't. And
[00:32:02] then if we do, it just goes into a
[00:32:03] reimbursement account and then that year
[00:32:05] I'll buy a vest out of there and then
[00:32:06] the town gets their money back. I don't
[00:32:08] just spend it. They would just get that
[00:32:10] back that year.
[00:32:12] >> Yeah. And there are a number of things
[00:32:13] that you sent to the uh capital planning
[00:32:15] and I just want to just so we just touch
[00:32:19] the subjects. Um the next cruiser that
[00:32:23] you would have to replace would be when
[00:32:26] >> two to three years.
[00:32:27] >> Okay. And then New Branchry would be
[00:32:30] replacing one in between then. Is that
[00:32:32] is that you?
[00:32:32] >> So the way New Branchry does it is every
[00:32:35] 3 years they replace one of their two
[00:32:37] cars. So they are just on a lease and as
[00:32:39] soon as it hits that they just do it and
[00:32:41] then they cycle it to fire or highway.
[00:32:43] >> Okay. Police computer server
[00:32:45] replacement.
[00:32:46] >> So it's something we're going to have to
[00:32:47] watch. That server uh was purchased with
[00:32:50] the federal funds in 2022,
[00:32:54] I believe, is when they bought all the
[00:32:56] computers.
[00:32:57] >> Um I'm told about $7,000 to $10,000 for
[00:33:00] server. Um and that I have to have a
[00:33:04] standalone one for federal and state
[00:33:06] rules.
[00:33:06] >> Um that no one else goes in.
[00:33:08] >> So that's not in this budget.
[00:33:10] >> No.
[00:33:10] >> Right. That would be a separate
[00:33:12] budgetable item.
[00:33:13] >> It would be
[00:33:14] >> okay. And not anticipated for 2020. I
[00:33:17] would say probably another three or four
[00:33:19] years. That is an item though that is on
[00:33:22] my grant list because there is a grant
[00:33:24] that I can
[00:33:27] put in for during the IT grant. Did you
[00:33:30] put it in that?
[00:33:31] >> I can put it in that one because then we
[00:33:33] can show it's out of date. So yes, it
[00:33:36] can go in that one and there's a police
[00:33:38] one that I can put in for it through.
[00:33:39] Yes.
[00:33:40] >> Okay. All right. Oh, don't don't
[00:33:41] hesitate to get to this breathalyzer
[00:33:44] replacement. So, we're not worrying
[00:33:46] about that right now. Um, the one that's
[00:33:48] there is great and it's stateowned, so
[00:33:49] I'm not worried about it.
[00:33:51] >> But it's at the office.
[00:33:53] >> It's at the office. Yes.
[00:33:54] >> Um, laptops for cruisers.
[00:33:58] >> So, I'm not worrying about that. That
[00:33:59] was originally put on, Mark. What I
[00:34:01] would, my plan to start doing is those
[00:34:04] laptops are only 2 years old, 3 years
[00:34:05] old at this point. What I'd like to do
[00:34:07] is just start making sure once a year I
[00:34:10] start replacing one in the next few
[00:34:12] years and just take it right out of my
[00:34:14] operational budget.
[00:34:15] >> Perfect.
[00:34:16] >> Taser replacement.
[00:34:18] >> Yeah. Um we bought those with free cash
[00:34:24] three or four. Yeah. Um
[00:34:28] Taser will tell you there's a lifespan
[00:34:29] of four years. I
[00:34:30] >> was going to say you you got to hear
[00:34:31] 5year lifespan. tell you that I'm not
[00:34:35] going to come to you until I need to
[00:34:36] replace those.
[00:34:37] >> Well, just again for the purposes of you
[00:34:39] know, so that when somebody says you got
[00:34:41] a budget, there is also things that
[00:34:43] we've cho chose not to put in the budget
[00:34:46] that everybody needs to understand that
[00:34:48] goes to capital planning and obviously
[00:34:50] to the police commissioners when that
[00:34:51] when that becomes an issue.
[00:34:52] >> And that's one that once you know we're
[00:34:55] a year plus out, I'll let everyone know
[00:34:57] we got a concern and we're going to
[00:34:58] start having a look at this.
[00:35:00] And we already talked about body warrant
[00:35:03] camera long range uh duty weapon
[00:35:06] replacement.
[00:35:08] >> So about every 15 years I'm not again
[00:35:11] worrying about that cuz my plan would be
[00:35:13] moving forward is just one a year start
[00:35:15] buying it out of the operational budget
[00:35:17] and just slowly start cycling and moving
[00:35:19] through
[00:35:21] >> duty rifle replacement.
[00:35:23] >> They're about the same. Mhm.
[00:35:24] >> Um, luckily we're not in a city where
[00:35:27] we're having these issues. So, uh, I'm
[00:35:29] not as concerned.
[00:35:31] >> Radio replacement, portable.
[00:35:34] >> That you're you were talking about
[00:35:36] handguns the first time and then rifles.
[00:35:38] Okay.
[00:35:38] >> Both. Yeah. Cuz they're both handgun. I
[00:35:41] can purchase.
[00:35:42] >> Yes. And I can purchase a handgun for
[00:35:44] about $450 is about without this optics
[00:35:47] and the other parts of it. And then the
[00:35:50] rifles, they're running me about $1,300.
[00:35:53] So, it's one of those that I can say to
[00:35:55] you guys, "Hey, this year I know I'm
[00:35:56] going to be buying this."
[00:35:58] >> Uh, radio replacements, portable and
[00:36:00] cruiser radios.
[00:36:01] >> Yeah, that's something we are going to
[00:36:02] have to watch as a whole town cuz that's
[00:36:04] actually a fire issue, too. Um, our
[00:36:07] radios are $10,000 a piece. Um, it's to
[00:36:11] be on the state 800 system. Um,
[00:36:15] >> fire only has one.
[00:36:17] >> Fire has two now.
[00:36:19] >> Okay. Two. Um, they're going to need to
[00:36:21] move over there shortly, but I'll let
[00:36:22] Nick deal with that side. Um, I'm
[00:36:25] comfortable right now because two years
[00:36:27] ago I just bought three out of a grant
[00:36:29] and didn't have to come to you guys for
[00:36:30] the money. Um, that will be my ultimate
[00:36:33] goal is I'll try to get one or two out
[00:36:34] of that federal grant that comes out
[00:36:36] every two years. If I see an issue with
[00:36:38] that, I'm going to come to you guys and
[00:36:40] say we're going to have to start long
[00:36:41] range looking at maybe doing one or two
[00:36:42] a year here and there.
[00:36:45] I just wanted to put in a commercial for
[00:36:47] the capital planning which is if you
[00:36:49] don't think that we cover these things
[00:36:51] or we talk about these things. The the
[00:36:53] good news is we're talking it around as
[00:36:55] a board so there's no surprises you
[00:36:57] understand what's in and what's not. But
[00:37:00] uh we spend a lot of time on this and we
[00:37:01] get a lot of good cooperation from from
[00:37:03] Kevin on that.
[00:37:04] >> Great. Is this is on YouTube tonight
[00:37:06] correct?
[00:37:07] >> Yeah.
[00:37:08] >> So so you giving me sales page today?
[00:37:11] >> Yeah. I need I need more work. Yeah.
[00:37:13] Thanks. What?
[00:37:15] >> And you're getting mad at it, boys. Now,
[00:37:18] >> if I don't, if you don't mind, like I
[00:37:20] even just want to touch on like the
[00:37:21] uniform account. It's been level funded
[00:37:23] for years and I'm still fine with that.
[00:37:26] But that's just replacement of our
[00:37:28] equipment, shirts, pants. One of our
[00:37:30] uniform shirts is $113.
[00:37:33] >> Our pants can go from 110 to 14. If you
[00:37:37] want fleece for the winter, fleece
[00:37:38] lined, they're $145.
[00:37:41] I mean, our winter coats are $538.
[00:37:46] So,
[00:37:46] >> are they flame proof?
[00:37:48] >> I wish they were. They're not.
[00:37:49] >> They're not flameroof.
[00:37:51] >> You put police fire on anything, the
[00:37:53] cost triples. And they always do that to
[00:37:56] you. Um, but that's where that money
[00:37:59] goes is to replace their equipment as
[00:38:01] they rip shirts or things cuz
[00:38:03] unfortunately our stuff does not last
[00:38:05] the lifespan of a number. You know, my
[00:38:07] shirt's from high school and I'm still
[00:38:09] wearing. Uh, you can't unfortunately do
[00:38:11] that with our stuff. It just gets too
[00:38:13] worn and torn.
[00:38:17] >> I have a question for you, Chief.
[00:38:18] >> Yep.
[00:38:19] >> Um, the clerk salary.
[00:38:20] >> Yep.
[00:38:20] >> I see she's only going up 2%.
[00:38:23] >> Yep.
[00:38:23] >> Okay.
[00:38:24] >> That was just um at department head
[00:38:26] meeting, we were told just to budget 2%.
[00:38:28] >> Right. I just wanted to put the number
[00:38:30] out there.
[00:38:30] >> It's 2%. Um, and is it a part-time
[00:38:34] position?
[00:38:34] >> It is.
[00:38:35] >> Is it 19 hours a week?
[00:38:37] >> It is. That's 19 hours a week right now.
[00:38:39] >> Okay.
[00:38:39] >> Um it used to be 25 and we've just
[00:38:42] slowly reduced it, moved money to other
[00:38:44] line items to offset things.
[00:38:46] >> Is that enough though to
[00:38:48] >> Yes, absolutely.
[00:38:49] >> Okay.
[00:38:50] >> Um all the officers step up and help
[00:38:53] with all that stuff. Um in regards to
[00:38:56] even um license to carries like they'll
[00:38:58] the clerk enters them, uh the sergeant,
[00:39:01] the lieutenant process them, approve
[00:39:03] them. So, everyone does their part to
[00:39:05] make sure that that works.
[00:39:07] >> Okay. I just wanted to ask you,
[00:39:13] >> thanks for the info.
[00:39:15] >> I hate to say, you know,
[00:39:16] >> this is the way it should be.
[00:39:17] >> This is the way we should be.
[00:39:18] >> We I will take anyone for ride alongs.
[00:39:21] I'll put them out in the cruisers. I
[00:39:22] want people to see. I We are love to be
[00:39:25] hated. I We know that. You know, we get
[00:39:28] that. You know, that's part of our job.
[00:39:30] But I'll take anyone out on a ride
[00:39:33] along. and let them see what we do and
[00:39:34] what we cover and how things are. Um,
[00:39:37] see our call numbers and how we're
[00:39:39] handling things. I mean, you know, last
[00:39:42] year we had a high number of sexual
[00:39:44] assaults for us. Um, each one alone
[00:39:48] averages 20 to 25 hours of investigation
[00:39:50] whether it's going forward or not. So,
[00:39:52] there's a lot of stuff that just adds
[00:39:54] up. And unfortunately too, what the
[00:39:57] public sees and the public logs is not
[00:40:00] always what we're doing because certain
[00:40:02] things cannot be published by law. We
[00:40:05] cannot put domestic violence out there.
[00:40:07] You cannot put sexual assaults out
[00:40:08] there. You cannot put juvenile crimes
[00:40:10] out there. So that's all stuff that does
[00:40:12] not get published because we can't by
[00:40:14] law.
[00:40:15] >> Okay. But does that go in your total
[00:40:17] call log?
[00:40:18] >> It does go in my total numbers that you
[00:40:20] see.
[00:40:21] >> Okay. But in the actual that you see in
[00:40:23] the paper or on the website,
[00:40:25] >> right,
[00:40:25] >> those are redacted by meeting master
[00:40:28] law.
[00:40:29] >> Okay. Um, and over the years, has the
[00:40:33] calls gone up? Have they stayed steady
[00:40:36] or
[00:40:36] >> We've been about the same.
[00:40:38] >> We've been about the same for I'd say
[00:40:41] fiveish years, sixish years. Uh, we've
[00:40:44] been probably pretty steady since right
[00:40:46] after CO. We stayed where we were.
[00:40:47] Obviously during CO was beyond low for
[00:40:50] everyone, but we've been about steady
[00:40:52] from there on.
[00:40:53] >> How many how many clubs?
[00:40:55] >> So total everything that we do for you
[00:40:57] guys is about 12,000 a year. That
[00:41:00] includes everything that we have to
[00:41:02] touch. So we have to take a phone call
[00:41:06] and deal with a domestic violence
[00:41:08] question. That's a call. If we're going
[00:41:11] to a tree down, that's a call because we
[00:41:14] have to go there and do it. Um like
[00:41:15] today we had a tree down. My officer sat
[00:41:17] there for 45 minutes helping highway.
[00:41:19] So, anything that requires us to do
[00:41:22] something, it gets a call.
[00:41:24] >> If you just call in and say, "Hey, I
[00:41:26] need to do my LTC. What do I That's not
[00:41:28] a call." But anything that actually
[00:41:30] requires us to do police work or
[00:41:32] document something
[00:41:34] >> moving forward, that is a call for
[00:41:36] service for us.
[00:41:37] >> Okay.
[00:41:38] >> And you'll see too, property check
[00:41:40] stuff, the proactive things. So the
[00:41:42] officers on the overnight doing directed
[00:41:43] patrols. Um
[00:41:46] I want to publicize how I approach that
[00:41:48] but you know there's directed patrols
[00:41:50] that they are required to do on all
[00:41:51] their shifts.
[00:41:52] >> Checking door handles.
[00:41:54] >> Exactly. Um finding vehicles that are
[00:41:57] out of business. Why is a vehicle out of
[00:41:59] business at 2:00 in the morning?
[00:42:01] >> So they're finding things like that. Um
[00:42:03] in Gilbertville you'll actually notice
[00:42:06] and wheelite um the officers on the
[00:42:08] overnight drive around with their cruise
[00:42:10] lights on. So that's the blue steady
[00:42:12] lights on their car just so that people
[00:42:14] can see that they're up and down the
[00:42:15] streets and checking things. Um I had a
[00:42:18] woman call me and ask me why every night
[00:42:19] the cruiser drives by her house the blue
[00:42:21] lights on. So I had to explain that, you
[00:42:23] know, it's the officer being proactive,
[00:42:25] checking your area and making sure that
[00:42:26] you guys are safe,
[00:42:27] >> right? Excellent.
[00:42:28] >> And you do still do uh uh medical
[00:42:31] emergencies.
[00:42:32] >> Yep. We go to every medical call with
[00:42:34] the ambulances. Um,
[00:42:37] off the top of my head, 350
[00:42:40] ambulance calls on hardware.
[00:42:42] >> 354.
[00:42:43] >> Was it 354?
[00:42:44] >> I couldn't remember off the top of my
[00:42:46] head. I know I gave it to you the other
[00:42:47] day.
[00:42:48] >> Uh,
[00:42:48] >> I'm pretty sure it was 254.
[00:42:50] >> Yeah. So, we do go to every ambulance
[00:42:52] call and uh stand by for the ambulance.
[00:42:55] So, 2:30 in the morning, we're the first
[00:42:57] ones there. Um, you know, I'm going to
[00:43:00] jump back to the structure fire two
[00:43:02] years ago on Lower Road. My officer was
[00:43:04] there in a minute and 35 seconds pulling
[00:43:06] the woman out of the burning house.
[00:43:08] >> So that's just part of what we do.
[00:43:11] >> And you do render first aid or whatever
[00:43:13] you need to do.
[00:43:14] >> We are all first responders to the next
[00:43:16] higher level. Um so we can perform the
[00:43:20] CPR. We have AEDs, we have Narcan, we
[00:43:22] have EpiPens, we carry everything that
[00:43:25] we might need till that ambulance gets
[00:43:27] there for the most part to be able we
[00:43:29] have OB kits. We have burn kits. Um, we
[00:43:32] carry a giant jump bag that just has
[00:43:34] anything that we might need to be able
[00:43:37] to render aid until that ambulance gets
[00:43:39] there.
[00:43:39] >> Fantastic.
[00:43:40] >> That's great.
[00:43:41] >> Thank you.
[00:43:43] >> Great job, Chief.
[00:43:44] >> Thank you. Thank you.
[00:43:46] >> They did great here just kind of without
[00:43:48] planning.
[00:43:49] >> Uh, that was not
[00:43:52] with you also.
[00:43:54] >> Cool. Calm under pressure. That's good.
[00:44:02] Well,
[00:44:03] I I do have uh another statistic that I
[00:44:07] kind of developed in the last 24 hours.
[00:44:11] So, uh to prepare us for the inevitable
[00:44:15] school uh increase
[00:44:18] um
[00:44:20] share with you
[00:44:22] um what I was able to pick up for
[00:44:25] information.
[00:44:26] >> This is amendment.
[00:44:28] that we're required to fund for the
[00:44:30] state is 10,500 per student.
[00:44:35] Bare minimum. Yeah. So the the the
[00:44:38] important
[00:44:39] >> Yeah. True. It's true. That's that's
[00:44:42] >> Yeah. Right. Um
[00:44:48] >> the number of students in the Quad
[00:44:51] Regional District and I don't put it
[00:44:54] here somewhere.
[00:44:56] We have a net increase
[00:44:59] net increase and I might have it in
[00:45:01] >> 17
[00:45:02] >> of 17 but I would like to point out let
[00:45:06] me just get
[00:45:06] >> but over the last 17 students
[00:45:08] >> yes
[00:45:08] >> additional 17 students right um
[00:45:11] >> but over the last three years we had a
[00:45:13] negative six students now
[00:45:15] >> so the entire
[00:45:17] entire district
[00:45:19] is minus 7 we're plus 17
[00:45:25] So Barry goes up by one student. Harvard
[00:45:29] goes down by 15 students. New brain goes
[00:45:31] down by 16 students. Okam goes up by
[00:45:35] six. We go up by 17. All right. So I
[00:45:40] found a very interesting statistic in
[00:45:42] the annual town report.
[00:45:45] 20 births last year.
[00:45:49] Those aren't in that number. Well, so if
[00:45:52] we want to look forward and if you want
[00:45:54] to look forward, if there were 20 births
[00:45:56] in Hardick, I don't know how many will
[00:45:57] end up in the school system by preK,
[00:46:00] right? PreK is the first first grade.
[00:46:03] You got to think about what that means.
[00:46:05] Now, in the meantime, we're going to
[00:46:08] have a disproportionate share of the
[00:46:10] school budget because we're we're going
[00:46:12] up and it's always assessed to us by
[00:46:15] dollars per student. We're going up by
[00:46:18] 17. the district's going down by six and
[00:46:22] in last fiscal year we had 20 additional
[00:46:25] children born.
[00:46:27] >> Right. So that would be good reason to
[00:46:30] have a five-year plan and start
[00:46:32] projecting these numbers and start
[00:46:34] budgeting for these numbers.
[00:46:35] >> It's going to it it's it's going to be
[00:46:38] um very interesting to see what our our
[00:46:41] share is going to be this year.
[00:46:42] >> So we're going to have um a good
[00:46:45] discussion with the school system it
[00:46:47] seems like.
[00:46:48] >> Yeah. So, so anyhow, we can't while we
[00:46:49] can't talk about it now because we don't
[00:46:51] have the numbers, right?
[00:46:52] >> I think just prepare yourself for that
[00:46:54] statistical fact and then we can go we
[00:46:57] can go from there. So, I would say we
[00:46:59] can't talk about schools tonight.
[00:47:01] >> No,
[00:47:01] >> we did cover the police budget. I
[00:47:04] thought good.
[00:47:06] >> So, Mark, do I just interject quickly?
[00:47:08] Um, just for a placeholder, you'll see
[00:47:10] on your uh sheet it's in yellow because
[00:47:12] it's going to change the school budget.
[00:47:14] But just for a placeholder, I just I
[00:47:16] just did a 6% increase. So that's what
[00:47:19] that figure is just as a placeholder in
[00:47:22] the budget.
[00:47:25] >> Okay.
[00:47:27] Do you know what that number is off the
[00:47:28] top of your head?
[00:47:30] >> This right here.
[00:47:30] >> Like no. Well, can is it 100,000? Is
[00:47:34] 150,000? They have to give us their they
[00:47:37] have to decide which
[00:47:38] >> No, I'm saying that's
[00:47:41] >> what's the number
[00:47:43] >> cuz I'm I'm just saying like if we took
[00:47:44] the 17 we did it by you know I know
[00:47:47] 10,500 is the lowest we have to go
[00:47:50] that's 170,000
[00:47:52] >> yeah it's $180,000
[00:47:55] >> increase
[00:47:55] >> and that's what we did over and that's
[00:47:57] what's budgeted right now over over the
[00:47:59] previous budget right
[00:48:01] >> 170,000 yeah exactly
[00:48:03] >> so and that's our best guess but but
[00:48:05] That was in a year when when it we were
[00:48:08] more proportional to the rest of the
[00:48:09] other towns.
[00:48:11] >> No, I understand that.
[00:48:12] >> Now the the overall district is going
[00:48:15] down, we're going up. So we got a
[00:48:17] greater proportion of the budget.
[00:48:19] >> And that's only just so we prepare
[00:48:21] ourselves. If we if the estimate is is
[00:48:24] low, you'll know why. That's that's all
[00:48:26] I I bring that out. And as Bill points
[00:48:29] out, if you've got 20 births, and we can
[00:48:32] look, it's just an interesting statistic
[00:48:34] that you can pull from. If you looked at
[00:48:36] your annual town report, you might be
[00:48:37] able to pull the last three years and
[00:48:39] actually see what that tip of that
[00:48:41] iceberg is going to be as we progress
[00:48:43] each year.
[00:48:44] >> Get all those numbers from the town.
[00:48:46] >> Absolutely. Absolutely. And and probably
[00:48:48] for the other towns right now,
[00:48:52] >> right? Yeah,
[00:48:53] >> even still
[00:48:54] >> they're taking an education guess like
[00:48:57] are they going to go to private school?
[00:48:58] Are they going to go to this school? Who
[00:49:00] knows?
[00:49:00] >> Certain percent home school.
[00:49:02] >> Right. Right.
[00:49:03] >> I mean there's all these options.
[00:49:04] >> Well, you also don't you you know you
[00:49:06] have the other unknown is that you have
[00:49:08] an apartment complex and they rent out
[00:49:11] and they bring a disproportionate number
[00:49:13] of children into it. That affects the
[00:49:16] number. And that may very well be what
[00:49:18] happened in this this coming year is
[00:49:20] that you have, you know, people moving
[00:49:23] into town that are bringing children and
[00:49:25] it's going to increase the and we don't
[00:49:28] we have no foresight of that. We don't
[00:49:29] know who's going to rent a an apartment
[00:49:31] in town. So you could actually see this
[00:49:34] number jump up by surprise like it did
[00:49:36] on us this year.
[00:49:38] >> If a family moves into town, right, gets
[00:49:40] an apartment and they have six kids. We
[00:49:43] have a rough ballpark for when the
[00:49:45] school's going to finalize their budget.
[00:49:47] >> Funny
[00:49:49] timeline.
[00:49:50] >> I um I know there's another meeting
[00:49:52] coming up, but I they do like several
[00:49:55] iterations of it.
[00:49:57] >> Yeah, because they need they need some
[00:49:58] input from the state, right?
[00:50:02] >> But last year they gave us like three
[00:50:04] different budgets. By the time we got to
[00:50:06] town meeting, we were on like their
[00:50:07] third budget.
[00:50:09] >> Okay. So do we know when that number
[00:50:12] that say 10,500 per student there's no
[00:50:15] additional other costs to the town for
[00:50:18] school for the school or is there any
[00:50:20] other additional is it just a set number
[00:50:22] to say 10,000 per person covers
[00:50:25] everything they do at the school system
[00:50:27] is there any
[00:50:27] >> I think that that
[00:50:31] I'm saying but I mean
[00:50:32] >> that's without state
[00:50:34] >> if we if we look at that there's no
[00:50:36] other ones that come along other charges
[00:50:38] for students Sure.
[00:50:41] >> On the school budget chair.
[00:50:43] >> Mhm.
[00:50:43] >> Um, so they'll have the same like cost
[00:50:46] of living increases, they'll if they're
[00:50:48] going to have the same crazy increases
[00:50:49] with insurance. So not only is it per
[00:50:52] student, but there might be like a 2%
[00:50:55] >> and that's what I I guess I was asking.
[00:50:57] So if there's an increase in insurance,
[00:50:59] is that a charge per student typically?
[00:51:01] Is that how they formula?
[00:51:02] >> No, they just give us what assessment.
[00:51:04] >> Yeah. So what they'll do is they'll
[00:51:05] they'll they'll put their budget out.
[00:51:07] >> Yes. $45 million and they'll divide it
[00:51:10] by the number of kids in the school
[00:51:12] system and that's the per cost per per
[00:51:14] student. So it's like $21,000.
[00:51:18] Um they get uh chapter 90 is it chapter
[00:51:22] chapter 70 funds.
[00:51:24] >> So whatever that whatever the state the
[00:51:26] amount the state funds
[00:51:29] >> uh we have to fund the difference. So if
[00:51:32] the state comes down, we're funding
[00:51:34] more. The state funds more, we fund
[00:51:36] less, but they they there's no control
[00:51:39] over their budget. So they can they can
[00:51:42] spend as what they want, how they want
[00:51:44] to do it, and they assess us the
[00:51:46] difference.
[00:51:46] >> Right. And and at a town meeting, if I
[00:51:49] understand this right, you cannot pick a
[00:51:52] line item in the school budget. You must
[00:51:54] approve the school budget or disapprove
[00:51:56] the school budget.
[00:51:56] >> Right. It's up or down.
[00:51:58] >> It's up or down. and they'll put in
[00:52:00] they'll put in a budget early on and
[00:52:03] then the next budget that they present
[00:52:06] is a million dollars less and they'll
[00:52:08] say they cut a million dollars. But of
[00:52:11] course, who knows?
[00:52:14] >> Well, they they increase the $3 million,
[00:52:16] >> right? And then they back it off again.
[00:52:18] So, it's a it's a game they
[00:52:21] >> just just the the total projected
[00:52:24] population at that regional school
[00:52:26] system is 1,858
[00:52:28] students.
[00:52:30] >> Okay.
[00:52:32] >> And um just so you guys know too, we
[00:52:34] have 26 kids that go to Pathfinder.
[00:52:37] >> Is that up or down?
[00:52:38] >> It's level.
[00:52:39] >> Level. Okay. Good. Good. That's good.
[00:52:42] No other no other trade schools
[00:52:46] >> that we're assessed for.
[00:52:48] >> Sometimes Smith
[00:52:50] >> I was going to say Smith
[00:52:52] >> once Essex long time ago.
[00:52:54] >> So we're not Monty Tech our kids,
[00:52:59] >> but they could opt to do that.
[00:53:01] >> I was going to say
[00:53:03] school choice if they felt
[00:53:04] >> No, gets the Guabin gets the school
[00:53:07] choice.
[00:53:09] But for a trade school,
[00:53:13] >> the student gets a choice of which trade
[00:53:14] school.
[00:53:15] >> Yeah, it all goes through Quabin. That's
[00:53:16] part of the whole
[00:53:17] >> It does go through their because I it's
[00:53:19] a separate
[00:53:21] >> budget line item for halfway.
[00:53:23] >> So she has So the superintendent at
[00:53:25] Quabin has to like approve approve it.
[00:53:27] >> Yeah.
[00:53:27] >> And then Yeah, we can.
[00:53:28] >> Yeah. So there's there's there's reasons
[00:53:31] to school choice uh Quabin wants school
[00:53:35] choice in because they get more money
[00:53:37] the kids coming in.
[00:53:39] and kids going out, they have to pay
[00:53:41] more money going out. So yeah,
[00:53:44] >> they want they want school choice in not
[00:53:45] school choice out.
[00:53:46] >> So I guess the question would it would
[00:53:48] it burden us if somebody in Harvard and
[00:53:51] I'm going to use this and I don't know
[00:53:52] if any other schools offer let's say for
[00:53:54] a wanted to go to Smith V for
[00:53:56] agricultural.
[00:53:57] >> So that
[00:53:59] if Pathfinder doesn't offer I don't know
[00:54:01] if they do but if they didn't offer that
[00:54:03] that we would
[00:54:04] >> we would have to cover
[00:54:06] >> Hold your breath Glenn. Okay.
[00:54:08] >> Well, and that's something the Quabin
[00:54:09] Regional School is kicking around right
[00:54:11] now
[00:54:12] >> is potential agriculture
[00:54:15] >> having something that's not offered.
[00:54:17] >> Yeah.
[00:54:20] >> But Smith and
[00:54:23] >> it wasn't that long ago they had these
[00:54:25] trades in a lot of the schools.
[00:54:27] >> Most of them not to not to the degree
[00:54:29] they probably haven't.
[00:54:30] >> Look what Lester's doing. They're doing
[00:54:32] like all sorts of trades now. Lester.
[00:54:36] Mr. Chairman.
[00:54:37] >> Yes, sir.
[00:54:38] >> I do have a hard stop in like 15
[00:54:40] minutes. Um,
[00:54:41] >> well, I I think we got a lot done, a lot
[00:54:44] more than we planned.
[00:54:45] >> Yeah.
[00:54:46] >> How do you want to go about our next
[00:54:48] meeting?
[00:54:49] Did we bring in highway?
[00:54:53] >> Yeah,
[00:54:53] >> I would bring in highway. And I would
[00:54:55] probably if we can, we don't have to go
[00:54:58] through the introductory thing also look
[00:55:00] at the administrative costs for the
[00:55:02] town. That's a big
[00:55:04] >> and and you know if anybody needs what
[00:55:06] that in my in my some of this some of
[00:55:10] this is you know wish the retirements in
[00:55:12] there you want to talk about that's
[00:55:14] 392,000
[00:55:17] >> sure I can think about it
[00:55:19] >> yeah great
[00:55:21] >> total general government
[00:55:23] >> can you email number
[00:55:24] >> yeah your email address and right now I
[00:55:27] have that number
[00:55:30] I told you in the week 795
[00:55:34] The number
[00:55:37] 795,6965
[00:55:44] didn't have her number. She gave it to
[00:55:45] me just the other day.
[00:55:48] >> So that's what that'll be a long
[00:55:50] meeting.
[00:55:52] Uh and our Wednesday is good for
[00:55:56] everybody kind of
[00:55:56] >> typical sometimes.
[00:56:00] So just in since next week in the next
[00:56:03] meeting we're going to be going over the
[00:56:05] general government. Would you be able to
[00:56:07] go these items on expense like
[00:56:10] treasurer? It says treasurer expense and
[00:56:12] right it was 3500 bucks. Um and then it
[00:56:19] IT services and office equipment it's
[00:56:22] projected at 40,000. Last year was
[00:56:25] budgeted at 38,000. I have
[00:56:28] >> um can we break
[00:56:30] like information out like what are
[00:56:33] because I saw one item like uh 15,000
[00:56:37] for an expense and I'm wondering what is
[00:56:40] what is it like most of them trying to
[00:56:42] answer
[00:56:42] >> I can explain most of them and I
[00:56:44] actually broke out some of them probably
[00:56:45] not everyone you're looking for but I
[00:56:46] broke out the last three or four years
[00:56:48] so you can we can take a look at
[00:56:50] >> I think the best thing is we we would
[00:56:52] expect that we'd be able to get the same
[00:56:54] kind of um information that that police
[00:56:57] chief gave us today.
[00:56:58] >> I mean, that was a great example of what
[00:57:01] what helps us understand that number so
[00:57:03] we can move on.
[00:57:04] >> Yeah, I can talk.
[00:57:06] >> Okay.
[00:57:06] >> Because
[00:57:07] >> so like with it, I I'd like to break out
[00:57:10] what is the software, what is the
[00:57:11] subscription like? Are we paying for
[00:57:13] town accountant software? What are we
[00:57:15] paying for? And have a line on strictly
[00:57:18] subscriptions.
[00:57:19] >> I' I'd like to understand wish to
[00:57:21] retirement, too. I just like to know,
[00:57:23] you know, because it it we sometimes
[00:57:25] forget that when you hire a new
[00:57:26] employee, you you've got there is a
[00:57:29] that's part of your benefit package. You
[00:57:32] are now making another cost
[00:57:34] >> in that area. And I don't think we
[00:57:36] understand what what the impact is on
[00:57:39] some of these line items when you hire
[00:57:41] another person. It's not just
[00:57:44] >> it's not just your salary in the line
[00:57:45] item budget, but there are all of these
[00:57:47] other things that cascade down. And as
[00:57:49] we start looking at um you know the
[00:57:52] Gilbertville library for example or you
[00:57:54] know um highway u highway uh workers we
[00:58:00] we got to understand it and the number
[00:58:01] we got budgeted may not very well be the
[00:58:05] number we might be anticipating coming
[00:58:06] up. So I just like to understand who's
[00:58:09] in and who's out and and what that
[00:58:11] impact is when we make a decision to
[00:58:13] hire somebody.
[00:58:14] >> To Mark's point
[00:58:15] >> I'm sorry I didn't mean to interrupt
[00:58:16] you.
[00:58:17] >> What? To Mark's point, when you hire a
[00:58:19] full-time employee, just automatically
[00:58:20] add another 25,000.
[00:58:22] >> Yeah, you need to know what those
[00:58:24] >> Yeah.
[00:58:24] >> Because we got we just breaking that
[00:58:27] down, helping us understand that number
[00:58:29] to the to the same level that Kevin did
[00:58:31] with the police. I mean, it's it's
[00:58:32] perfect. It's a it's we'll move through
[00:58:34] this a lot faster.
[00:58:35] >> So, let's uh plan on doing that and
[00:58:38] leave highway out.
[00:58:39] >> This is going to be a long meeting.
[00:58:41] >> Okay.
[00:58:42] >> Uh when do you want to do it?
[00:58:45] In a week.
[00:58:47] What's your what's your availability?
[00:58:49] >> Chris, are you going to the Pathfinder
[00:58:50] meeting next Wednesday?
[00:58:51] >> I can't. I'm tied up next Wednesday.
[00:58:57] >> The Wednesday annual meeting, but that's
[00:59:00] the
[00:59:01] >> Oh, that is
[00:59:03] we all we all have.
[00:59:05] >> Yeah, we'll all be there.
[00:59:07] >> Yeah.
[00:59:09] And I did on that on the boiler thing,
[00:59:11] not to get off track if they did that
[00:59:14] somebody in town passing around
[00:59:16] something they wanted.
[00:59:19] >> Yeah, I mean we want to keep it moving.
[00:59:20] I guess the goal is to be through this
[00:59:24] well before the school.
[00:59:26] >> Don't hold you know if you guys can go
[00:59:29] meet me. I mean you guys you don't need
[00:59:31] me there.
[00:59:31] >> As long as we got a quarum.
[00:59:34] >> Sorry. What day?
[00:59:35] >> Uh just do it next week. Oh, we're going
[00:59:37] to be a Pathfinder
[00:59:38] >> on what day?
[00:59:39] >> The 11th.
[00:59:41] >> Okay.
[00:59:41] >> You want to do Monday? You said Monday
[00:59:43] instead of our
[00:59:45] >> It's a It's an off week for us to
[00:59:47] select.
[00:59:48] >> Right. That's what I'm saying. Like in
[00:59:49] instead of the follow on Monday, a week
[00:59:51] from this Monday.
[00:59:52] >> Monday. All right. I
[00:59:53] >> I can't do anything this week.
[00:59:54] >> Monday, March 16th.
[00:59:57] >> 16th.
[00:59:58] >> The 16th I can do.
[00:59:59] >> Oh my I've got I'm open so I can make
[01:00:01] it.
[01:00:05] >> Yeah, I can. Yeah. I don't
[01:00:06] >> Yeah. So,
[01:00:08] >> yeah, we can get for try to get Leon to
[01:00:10] come here, make sure that he's uh he's
[01:00:12] available, but we do.
[01:00:13] >> So, would you like to send you an email,
[01:00:15] Justine, or you you're going to get this
[01:00:17] stuff with like as far as the expenses?
[01:00:19] >> I haven't.
[01:00:21] >> I can talk about any of them.
[01:00:23] >> Okay. And one thing I there's
[01:00:24] >> cuz like HR expense thousand bucks admin
[01:00:29] and some of the historical actuals
[01:00:32] because I'm not sure whether I'm looking
[01:00:33] in the wrong place but it looks like 24
[01:00:35] 24
[01:00:37] is that
[01:00:38] >> what
[01:00:40] >> I'm some of the actual
[01:00:42] >> um what we have to make it just look
[01:00:44] like
[01:00:45] >> some of the numbers are the same for the
[01:00:47] last
[01:00:47] >> come in at 6:15
[01:00:49] >> 23 24
[01:00:52] at least some where are the tabs in the
[01:00:55] book.
[01:00:57] >> But like legal services we just
[01:01:04] >> So this just shows budget. So that would
[01:01:05] be the actual
[01:01:07] >> we can ask for actual.
[01:01:09] >> That's great.
[01:01:10] >> Lauren, anything else you want? Just
[01:01:11] email me.
[01:01:11] >> I I will
[01:01:13] also an update on the audit that's going
[01:01:16] on. Have they Have they completed it?
[01:01:19] No, they've got um we're almost done
[01:01:20] with our FY25 audit.
[01:01:22] >> No.
[01:01:23] >> So, um probably in a few weeks.
[01:01:25] >> Okay.
[01:01:25] >> They just need a few more information
[01:01:27] about the USDA project.
[01:01:29] >> Okay.
[01:01:29] >> No, it's going
[01:01:30] >> any surprises, anything?
[01:01:31] >> It's going much better than last year.
[01:01:33] >> Okay. All right. Good. Good. Okay. 16th
[01:01:37] on Monday.
[01:01:38] >> 6:00.
[01:01:40] >> Sure.
[01:01:41] >> 16th mark right now.
[01:01:44] >> Motion to adjurnn.
[01:01:45] >> Motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor
[01:01:57] for these kinds of talks. Um
[01:02:00] >> I was thinking
[01:02:02] >> I was thinking of leaving a a bunch of u
[01:02:05] index cards so you could leave ideas and
[01:02:08] we could take them up. Well, I mean, you
[01:02:10] know, cuz cuz right I mean, and I don't
[01:02:14] probably have total all the same numbers
[01:02:16] that you folks do, but I'm seeing
[01:02:18] $200,000 more than last year.
[01:02:21] >> Okay. Well,
[01:02:22] >> that would make that would make sense.
[01:02:25] >> Yeah. So,
[01:02:27] we
[01:02:28] >> So, you obviously haven't started going
[01:02:30] through here and started cutting things,
[01:02:32] right?
[01:02:33] >> We just started tonight.
[01:02:36] >> All right. Well, all right.
[01:02:37] >> Oh, yeah. We got to first understand the
[01:02:39] numbers and then we have again like I
[01:02:41] said the denominator is going to be you
[01:02:44] know that that revenue stream we're not
[01:02:46] even clear on that
[01:02:47] >> right exactly I mean so I want this is
[01:02:51] not a two and a half means it's going to
[01:02:53] be an overrevenue
[01:03:00] overrevenue