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Hardwick's Fiscal Challenges: School Budget, Town Cuts, and Administrative Governance

Original title: Hardwick, MA Board of Selectmen Meeting 8/8/22

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Date

August 9, 2022

Duration

1h 28m

Decisions

5 recorded

Action Items

30 assigned

Summary

The Hardwick Board of Selectmen convened to address critical fiscal matters, primarily focusing on the contentious regional school budget assessment and its impact on the town's finances. Discussions included proposed cuts across various municipal departments to accommodate the school's request, concerns about the school's budgeting process, and the broader financial strain on regional towns. The board also reviewed and approved numerous committee appointments, discussed employee retention strategies, and allocated ARPA funds for specific town needs. Key decisions involved approving specific budget cuts, authorizing warrant signatures, and scheduling a joint Sewer Commission meeting.

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Discussion of the cable contract renewal, with an updated contract available and a meeting scheduled for September 12th.
Extensive debate on the regional school budget assessment, its impact on town finances, and the necessity of significant municipal budget cuts, totaling $36,000 to accommodate the school's request.
Concerns raised about the school's budget process, perceived lack of proactive and collaborative communication, and the financial burden on other regional towns like Hubbardston.
Review of proposed budget cuts across municipal departments including Police, Fire, IT, Legal Services, and Highway, with a total of $42,000 in cuts outlined.
Discussion on the town's financial position, low revenues, and the challenge of making further cuts while remaining marginally under the budget target.
Consideration of employee raises, noting perceived inequity between town employees (who received a 2% raise after years without) and school staff (who receive annual raises built into the town's assessment).
Review and clarification of committee appointments, distinguishing between elected and appointed roles, addressing potential conflicts of interest for members serving on multiple boards, and cleaning up the annual appointment list.
Discussion on the necessity of the Broadband Advisory Committee and the proper appointment of non-resident members, specifically concerning Braintree residents on Carver committees.
Acceptance of a municipal grant for a mattress collection container to generate revenue and prevent illegal dumping.
Review of the art project funding, with approximately $25,000 in invoices submitted for work completed through June, and a total estimated cost of $35,000 including future work.
Discussion on implementing an employee retention agreement for new employees to protect the town's investment in training and development.
Allocation of $35,000 from ARPA funds towards Mass Munifin, emphasizing the need for detailed reporting and concrete documentation for reimbursement.
Updates on the sewer project, noting state requirements, re-released USDA funding, and new, simpler spreadsheet formats for reporting.
Review of the warrant signing process to ensure timely reimbursements and continuity, proposing authorization for two signatures.
Updates on various Town Administrator initiatives, including title research, drafting a retirement insurance policy for the personnel handbook, DLS financial review delays, and updating the Open Space & Recreation Plan.
Concerns about Townhouse inspections, particularly the fire escape, needing completion by August 19th to allow events for the Hardwick Fair.
Regional discussions with New Braintree and Hubbardston regarding the school budget, with all parties agreeing the current process is unsustainable for small towns.
Discussion on the impropriety of personal reimbursements for town expenses, citing it as poor financial practice.
Scheduling of a joint Sewer Commission meeting to ensure a quorum and conduct business.

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Track renewal budget review for the special town meeting with finance other old business new business minutes to approve recycling accepting a mattress collection container other new business discussion in our vote relative to arpa funding discussion and or vote
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Relative to the warrant signing process committee reports town administrator reports signatures selectmen roundtable and impairment so um i will just ask everyone to rise for the pledge of allegiance i pledge allegiance to the flag of the
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United states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all so i have to tell you when i stand up there and say that every time it's been so long since i've you know you said it routinely in grade school that oh god if i miss any of the
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Words it's got to be terrible thankfully that hasn't happened we're waiting for rob to join us any visitor comments nope well we can certainly
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We'll hold up on the appointments reappointments because i can't oh there's something so i can't vote on them we can skip to the cable build-outs contract run a little longer getting set so we do have the updated contract from eileen yeah um and
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We're planning on scheduling a meeting with her in september she's going to attend our september 12th meeting yeah she'd like to i mean we can do it either whenever you want the contract is up october 1st correct okay oh i think it's the i don't i think it was the end of october either that either the 12th or the 26th
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So i didn't print it out i know it's very giant it's october 30th because it started october 13th

[00:00:00] track renewal budget review for the [00:00:02] special town meeting with finance other [00:00:04] old business new business minutes to [00:00:07] approve [00:00:08] recycling [00:00:10] accepting a mattress collection [00:00:12] container [00:00:14] other new business [00:00:15] discussion in our vote relative to arpa [00:00:17] funding discussion and or vote [00:00:20] relative to the warrant signing process [00:00:22] committee reports town administrator [00:00:24] reports signatures [00:00:26] selectmen roundtable and impairment [00:00:29] so um i will just ask everyone to rise [00:00:33] for the pledge of allegiance [00:00:36] i pledge allegiance to the flag of the [00:00:38] united states of america and to the [00:00:40] republic for which it stands one nation [00:00:43] under god indivisible with liberty and [00:00:46] justice for all so i have to tell you [00:00:48] when i stand up there and say that every [00:00:50] time it's been so long since i've you [00:00:51] know you said it routinely in grade [00:00:53] school that oh god if i miss any of the [00:00:55] words it's got to be terrible thankfully [00:00:57] that hasn't happened [00:00:59] um we're waiting for rob to join us [00:01:03] any visitor comments [00:01:10] nope um [00:01:12] well we can certainly um [00:01:14] we'll hold up on the appointments [00:01:16] reappointments because i can't oh [00:01:17] there's something so i can't vote on [00:01:19] them [00:01:20] um [00:01:24] we can skip to the cable build-outs [00:01:25] contract run a little longer getting set [00:01:28] um so we do have the updated contract [00:01:31] from eileen yeah um and [00:01:35] we're planning on scheduling a meeting [00:01:38] with her in september she's going to [00:01:39] attend our september 12th meeting yeah [00:01:41] she'd like to i mean we can do it either [00:01:43] whenever you want [00:01:44] the contract is up october 1st correct [00:01:47] okay oh i think it's the i don't i think [00:01:49] it was the end of october [00:01:51] either that either the 12th or the 26th [00:01:55] um [00:01:58] so [00:01:59] i didn't print it out i know it's very [00:02:01] giant [00:02:03] it's october 30th because it started [00:02:06] october 13th [00:02:48] the budget um with clients so that we [00:02:51] can release them and review the [00:02:52] appointments or reappointments yeah okay [00:02:54] all right so we're ready for you folks [00:02:57] for the [00:02:58] the budget we're good [00:03:00] you guys want to come up to the table [00:03:08] you're going to have to speak loud [00:03:09] because the air conditioner is going so [00:03:11] people aren't going to be able to hear [00:03:12] you [00:03:26] we held a meeting [00:03:39] which leaves us with [00:03:42] 36 [00:03:43] almost 37 [00:03:45] dollars between two and a half [00:03:48] and it gives everybody their raises and [00:03:52] it pays the school money [00:03:56] so that's that's cutting [00:03:58] so it's of all these things are what [00:04:00] we've covered right so you're we're [00:04:01] marginally over two and a half [00:04:04] we're not thirty six thousand over [00:04:06] module eight hundred under 100 correct [00:04:09] but you're cutting 36 out and the [00:04:11] difference is the increase in the [00:04:13] terry's cheat receipts from what we [00:04:15] originally correct [00:04:18] because there was there was thirty [00:04:19] thousand [00:04:21] added for your charity [00:04:24] where is it [00:04:34] [Applause] [00:04:40] ice [00:05:08] so let's have a big picture discussion [00:05:11] first because i'm not sure the board and [00:05:13] the finance committee are on the same [00:05:14] page with regard to school [00:05:16] so these cuts are meaningless that [00:05:18] they're not going to agree on whether [00:05:20] um [00:05:22] absolutely okay do you agree [00:05:25] so um [00:05:26] kelly's not here but um [00:05:29] she voiced her opinion the last time the [00:05:31] last meeting she was here that she [00:05:32] doesn't feel that we should be cutting [00:05:35] our budget to fund the school because [00:05:36] we've done it and you have it in writing [00:05:38] from kelly [00:05:42] i'm i don't have an issue with um i have [00:05:45] an issue with the process and we're on a [00:05:48] call today nicole will talk a little bit [00:05:49] about that with some of the other towns [00:05:51] with your great tree and published them [00:05:52] especially with the process for the [00:05:54] school [00:05:55] and um [00:05:57] not being very sort of proactive and [00:05:59] discussing discussing the budget limits [00:06:01] they knew we were at four percent they [00:06:03] knew we were going to town getting that [00:06:04] four percent and just it needs to be a [00:06:07] little bit more of a collaborative [00:06:09] process we feel like that's been lost [00:06:11] somehow and it could be fully related it [00:06:13] could be whatever [00:06:14] um [00:06:16] personally i'm not sure i'm in favor and [00:06:18] giving them the additional awards [00:06:20] um i think it's [00:06:22] and again this was the discussion today [00:06:25] with some of the other community leaders [00:06:28] it's a 95 000 adjustment for the town [00:06:30] but that sets us up already [00:06:33] 95 000 ahead for next year for the [00:06:35] increase [00:06:37] and so we're already [00:06:39] behind the eight ball so to speak with [00:06:41] regard to next year's budget because [00:06:43] that'll be our budget from this year and [00:06:45] they're only going to build the increase [00:06:46] based on that [00:06:49] the other thing is there are significant [00:06:50] number of students leaving this quabbin [00:06:53] district and going to other schools [00:06:54] pathfinder is one of them [00:06:56] there are other schools that [00:06:58] students are choicing out of [00:07:00] um [00:07:02] we could we could potentially [00:07:03] financially [00:07:06] uh handle the assessment there are other [00:07:08] towns who can't [00:07:10] hubberson is a huge assessment they [00:07:12] can't they're not gonna they're gonna [00:07:13] have to do huge cuts to their budget to [00:07:15] make that assessment work [00:07:17] so [00:07:18] i sort of feel like there's two pieces [00:07:20] here [00:07:21] we we could afford it i don't [00:07:23] necessarily agree with where you guys [00:07:24] have allocated the cuts but that's a [00:07:26] philosophy [00:07:27] that's a philosophy thank you um but i [00:07:30] think it's also if we agree to this [00:07:33] we're sort of leaving the other towns in [00:07:35] the district to swim a little [00:07:37] um this is a big assessment for debris [00:07:39] tree this is a big assessment for [00:07:40] hubbertson there were the three towns [00:07:43] left to vote office [00:07:45] so [00:07:46] again a school of thought is if we [00:07:48] collaborate with these and i don't want [00:07:51] that personally i don't want the fear of [00:07:52] desi coming in the state coming in [00:07:55] and adjusting our [00:07:56] budget guiding us on how we vote this [00:07:59] either we agree with the school's [00:08:00] assessment or we don't agree with it [00:08:02] we didn't agree with it at town meeting [00:08:04] you guys were on board with us not [00:08:06] agreeing in that town meeting and now [00:08:07] we're somehow shifting years i just i'm [00:08:10] giving you an honest opinion my honest [00:08:12] where i'm coming from i don't know how [00:08:14] you feel about the school [00:08:15] and what you sort of feel um [00:08:18] the approach to this is [00:08:21] i was just like finished i start to come [00:08:24] i [00:08:25] i mean my personal opinion is [00:08:28] i think we [00:08:30] we've got two other towns that are [00:08:31] willing to work on this issue of the [00:08:34] school just asking for more and more [00:08:36] every year [00:08:37] now i do [00:08:38] understand i'm [00:08:40] very [00:08:40] knowledgeable about what goes on in [00:08:42] school systems [00:08:44] and i understand why they're asking for [00:08:46] sound stuff [00:08:47] but to me if the [00:08:49] schools the administration and the [00:08:51] schools don't start pushing back from [00:08:52] the state and more towns don't shoot [00:08:55] down what the state's asking for [00:08:58] and it's never going to change [00:09:01] we're truly fighting state requirements [00:09:04] so i'm finally sticking to what we asked [00:09:08] for earlier and see if the [00:09:11] school can come down to 40 000. why are [00:09:13] we [00:09:14] we're cutting [00:09:15] randomly cutting 40 000 out of our [00:09:17] project [00:09:19] so this school we want the school to be [00:09:21] good at the ninety five thousand dollars [00:09:22] that we've cut not not [00:09:24] you know not giving them our state aid [00:09:26] not giving them our state aid either [00:09:28] staying at where we just we're just [00:09:30] staying yes yeah we already voted until [00:09:32] they come up [00:09:35] and come to see us [00:09:36] about so that was before they they just [00:09:39] put it out there i mean you sat through [00:09:41] a three-hour meeting and they just [00:09:43] put it out there this is what we're [00:09:44] doing and i did ask for it ahead of time [00:09:46] i asked for it ahead of time before our [00:09:49] you know before they announced it at [00:09:51] their school committee meeting [00:09:53] i'm not saying they're being deceptive [00:09:54] but [00:09:55] not so much forthcoming and open with [00:09:58] communication [00:09:59] so it is a process problem where [00:10:02] i believe that we should be having [00:10:04] regular meetings with them where we [00:10:06] discuss all five towns discuss you know [00:10:09] where we are at what we [00:10:11] can comfortably or uncomfortably still [00:10:14] afford [00:10:15] and that doesn't happen and it just gets [00:10:17] sprung on us and it's really not fair we [00:10:19] have and we have no choice but to cut [00:10:22] our police and to cut our selection and [00:10:24] to cut [00:10:25] um [00:10:27] you know [00:10:28] our snow and ice that we're definitely [00:10:29] going to go over you know these types of [00:10:31] things we cut are aren't sustainable [00:10:34] either and the way and they're not being [00:10:36] there i don't believe they're [00:10:37] necessarily conservative when they build [00:10:39] their budget they build it to exactly [00:10:41] what they want and then they present it [00:10:43] and it we really need to have a better [00:10:45] process going forward so we're all [00:10:47] prepared [00:10:48] but neither here nor there i was in this [00:10:51] fincom meeting i did all the cuts that [00:10:52] they requested and i [00:10:55] openly [00:10:56] told them that as i am not in favor of [00:10:58] this and i will be recommending to my [00:11:00] selectmen [00:11:02] that we we don't cut anything and we [00:11:04] leave it the way it is [00:11:07] so sort of to follow up on that um [00:11:14] nicole has a meeting with dessie next [00:11:15] week to talk about this specific issue [00:11:18] and potentially we're going to get rid [00:11:20] of a representative from hubbington on [00:11:22] board [00:11:26] ultimately the voters are going to [00:11:27] decide [00:11:28] so you're going to recommend your way [00:11:30] we're going to recommend our way [00:11:32] if they're not inconsistent the voters [00:11:34] are going to decide what to do [00:11:35] um [00:11:37] and [00:11:39] i mean ultimately it's their decision so [00:11:42] we can come up with this this is your [00:11:44] recommendation this can be presented um [00:11:47] we are going to come up with our [00:11:48] position tonight on how we feel about [00:11:51] that we certainly know what um [00:11:54] kelly's position is and decide what [00:11:56] we're going to recommend [00:11:58] um [00:11:59] you know i'm not anti-school [00:12:02] at all and for many years we had given [00:12:05] the school what they wanted for many [00:12:07] years you know we were sending them to [00:12:09] sea that gave the school exactly what [00:12:10] they wanted and we fought in a few years [00:12:34] i would like jessie to come in i would [00:12:35] like jesse to come in and see [00:12:38] we gave everybody a two percent increase [00:12:42] we can do this [00:12:43] under two and a half without any big [00:12:46] stretches i mean we could almost take [00:12:48] the whole thing out so but do you [00:12:50] realize where we're starting at for next [00:12:52] year if we just randomly go over two and [00:12:55] a half increase too much look look at [00:12:57] what you did with snow and ice look [00:12:59] where you started on your budget for [00:13:00] snow and ice next year you were at 70 [00:13:03] 000 for this year [00:13:04] and you went to a hundred thousand so [00:13:06] next year you're at a hundred thousand [00:13:08] to stop [00:13:09] well we spent two hundred thousand [00:13:10] that's fine but it comes up but that [00:13:12] comes out [00:13:13] that that happens every year [00:13:15] and you usually work that by your free [00:13:18] cash agreed but this is an assessment so [00:13:21] our assessment that's going to be our [00:13:23] base assessment and they're going to [00:13:24] build off of that [00:13:26] that's different and we forget we have [00:13:28] the opportunity to move these numbers [00:13:29] around if ryan says and i'm just picking [00:13:32] on you ryan because you're standing [00:13:33] there i don't have this many elections [00:13:34] you can cut my expense fine we're not [00:13:36] bound to that expense that's what the [00:13:38] voters approve we're not bound to a [00:13:40] hundred thousand dollars of stolen ice [00:13:43] because it's in the budget [00:13:45] we can modify the budget [00:13:48] we can for this year correct but next [00:13:51] year we don't have to start at 100 000 [00:13:52] we can start working with one no you [00:13:54] cannot you have to [00:13:56] with snow and ice [00:13:58] your previous year is your study [00:14:24] but you do need to make some sort of [00:14:26] um [00:14:27] you know you need to need to start [00:14:29] working on getting up to a better amount [00:14:31] than 150 000 [00:14:33] and you have a lot of money coming in [00:14:36] well we never have a lot we never will [00:14:38] we don't have high revenue so we have to [00:14:40] work with what we have [00:14:42] and it's and it's only 20 2300 almost [00:14:46] 2400 under two and a half which is [00:14:48] really too close [00:14:51] too you need to cut more if you you know [00:14:53] well there's still another ten thousand [00:14:55] and so on [00:15:00] i'll ask you what [00:15:01] why are you guys in favor i've been [00:15:03] through this process [00:15:05] so that's why you're there just because [00:15:06] you got burnt yes [00:15:09] and if the town gets burnt we're going [00:15:10] to be cutting everybody's budget [00:15:13] and after the fact [00:15:15] well i do believe that if they come back [00:15:17] they'll come back at this this 95 000 [00:15:20] amount that we do see we if we cut other [00:15:23] amounts [00:15:24] if they came back [00:15:27] what happened to their us [00:15:29] they've got it their state aid went up [00:15:31] this year [00:15:32] they when i looked at their numbers last [00:15:34] year and they were projecting towards [00:15:36] this year [00:15:37] they had a huge amount of lesser money [00:15:40] that they were going to put [00:15:42] did they not put that money into the [00:15:43] budget [00:15:44] so they could there was the esser fund [00:15:47] that came out they could [00:15:49] towns could use them to reduce their [00:15:50] assessment [00:15:53] keep in mind we also gave them over i [00:15:56] think two hundred thousand dollars of [00:15:57] our covered one [00:15:59] already we willingly turn that over last [00:16:02] year [00:16:03] before i got here yeah i think it was i [00:16:05] don't i don't recall the exact amount [00:16:07] but it was a significant amount of money [00:16:08] that we gave to quality out of our money [00:16:12] um and we've not so part of the essa and [00:16:14] there's certain requirements for the [00:16:15] esser but it can be used to reduce town [00:16:17] assessments that's not been offered [00:16:20] whether we don't qualify or not that [00:16:22] hasn't been offered [00:16:27] that could help a town like hubbardson [00:16:28] hubberson is really so so the other part [00:16:31] of me is [00:16:38] and so if we go ahead and just give in [00:16:40] to the school [00:16:42] we're really sinking hubbard stone as [00:16:44] well [00:16:45] well potentially [00:16:49] [Music] [00:16:57] and their town manager ryan said that [00:17:00] the budget is almost 70 their school [00:17:02] budget is almost 70 percent of their [00:17:04] budget [00:17:06] so clearly they're in a different [00:17:07] position than they are [00:17:10] i don't think he would say that in the [00:17:11] public we get more money because of our [00:17:15] number of free energy [00:17:18] so they're in a worse position [00:17:21] no they don't have the freedom to do [00:17:22] such they have people that can pay their [00:17:24] taxes they have businesses in town [00:17:27] that's how you have other things [00:17:29] well regard their assessment is that [00:17:32] high i mean when we talk about formulas [00:17:33] like the school committee was talking [00:17:35] about [00:17:36] ours our our formula we are still giving [00:17:40] them a million dollars over what we are [00:17:42] required to give them [00:17:44] you know since the beginning it's been [00:17:46] between 50 and 60 of our budget [00:17:50] but [00:17:51] the whole school budget maybe but not [00:17:53] just quabbin because we also have smith [00:17:55] and we have the pathfinder so the school [00:17:58] budget could be at 50 percent that whole [00:18:00] school budget but not just one school [00:18:04] shouldn't be that high [00:18:08] in those pennies [00:18:10] they're hiring 10.2 new positions no [00:18:12] they're not [00:18:19] did you look at their [00:18:20] their whole [00:18:21] the beginning one the first one yeah [00:18:23] that's longer [00:18:25] and it was still in the one that she [00:18:27] presented when she they still want 95 [00:18:30] 000 more than the [00:18:32] appropriate at town meeting [00:18:40] well so let's approach it this way we [00:18:41] have different philosophies we're going [00:18:43] to speak to our different philosophies [00:18:45] on the town court for the morning [00:18:47] um [00:18:49] what are your thoughts are we in [00:18:51] agreement that the consensus is that we [00:18:53] are not going to support [00:18:55] the adjustment [00:18:57] all right so if it passes we need to [00:18:59] figure out how we're going to work it [00:19:01] i don't necessarily agree with the [00:19:03] philosophy [00:19:05] you've got some departments you're [00:19:07] not touching at all [00:19:09] this is always and again we've had a [00:19:11] difference in the feeling of this the [00:19:13] last round we went on the budget [00:19:15] um [00:19:16] about just targeting certain departments [00:19:19] and [00:19:22] what do we want to go [00:19:23] well so let's just see when i look at [00:19:25] the size of the budget [00:19:28] because you're going to look at the size [00:19:29] of the overall budget for each [00:19:31] department [00:19:33] and which ones have the room because [00:19:35] it's [00:19:36] taken [00:19:40] that's pretty small [00:19:43] guaranteed we're going to if we cut it [00:19:45] we're going to overspend it [00:19:49] with fuel bruh same with fuel [00:19:53] oh look at the amount right fuel was [00:19:55] raised [00:19:57] but look at the field pressure [00:19:58] prices [00:20:00] right now [00:20:03] i can't imagine our legal services are [00:20:05] going to be any less than that dealing [00:20:06] with usda [00:20:14] we need to i don't have an issue with [00:20:15] snow and ice [00:20:18] we've cut from police [00:20:20] we've cut the selectmen we've cut ite [00:20:24] and here you've got the assessor have [00:20:26] you guys did you guys talk to any of [00:20:28] these departments [00:20:30] jen she was trying to [00:20:32] is anyone talking to the police [00:20:33] department [00:20:35] i did okay i talked to the chief you put [00:20:38] a thousand dollars [00:20:41] no no that's wrong [00:20:44] i don't know what i don't even know i [00:20:45] was talking right about that i don't [00:20:46] know [00:20:56] so i do have something from the chief [00:20:59] that talks about if he's if he's forced [00:21:01] to cut [00:21:03] where he would like the cuts [00:21:07] i think we should also have something [00:21:08] from highway and i think we should also [00:21:10] have something from fire [00:21:12] the fire department overspent last year [00:21:15] so i think we need to get their buy-in [00:21:18] actually i actually had some honor [00:21:24] so let's just go through i personally [00:21:26] don't care if you cut the selectmen [00:21:28] salary i don't know how you feel about [00:21:30] it [00:21:31] selectively [00:21:32] before that's right um i don't have an [00:21:35] issue if we cut select an expense for a [00:21:36] thousand as long as we're not going to [00:21:38] overspend [00:21:39] i.t if we cut the thousand out of it we [00:21:42] know we're going to potentially fund it [00:21:43] i can't imagine with all we're doing [00:21:45] right relative to i.t that we're not [00:21:46] going to spend that much money [00:21:49] i'm okay with the assessors [00:21:53] legal services i think we're going to [00:21:54] have an issue there but if you want to [00:21:55] take a thousand out we know we're gonna [00:21:58] have to potentially fix that [00:22:02] town building expense um [00:22:06] again we may have an issue there the [00:22:08] same with the fuel for the municipal [00:22:10] building [00:22:13] so for hardwick [00:22:15] police [00:22:21] so you've cut [00:22:28] you've cut 52-30 out of their bucket [00:22:39] um [00:22:46] rob did you want us rob or lori did [00:22:47] either one of you want to speak to the [00:22:49] police club i think the total reduction [00:22:51] was 62.30 [00:23:03] so more or less [00:23:05] that 5230 [00:23:07] she worked to come out of other areas [00:23:10] over time [00:23:12] isn't a good one as we're most likely [00:23:14] going to be [00:23:16] over that [00:23:17] he proposed if he was to cut [00:23:21] from the training account [00:23:23] 3 500 from that account [00:23:27] and [00:23:29] have the guys [00:23:30] more of mpi online training classes [00:23:34] instead of setting them here in person [00:23:38] the other account with the building [00:23:40] account [00:23:42] he recommended only reducing that by a [00:23:44] thousand as typically we're over that [00:23:46] account usually [00:23:48] a year the third account was the police [00:23:51] uniform account [00:23:54] taking the 1730 from that [00:23:58] i just about that i put exactly what we [00:24:01] need in there [00:24:03] i there's no more that can't be reduced [00:24:06] we went over it [00:24:07] well i mean it's there's contractually [00:24:10] obligated and i have exactly what they [00:24:12] need in there [00:24:18] i'll tell you what it includes i have a [00:24:19] note [00:24:20] um set up new officers seven [00:24:22] full-time officers and four part-time [00:24:24] officers [00:24:25] and it comes up to twelve thousand one [00:24:27] hundred dollars so [00:24:28] i can't really cut out of there or [00:24:31] will be [00:24:32] out of compliance with our union [00:24:34] contract [00:24:37] i did i didn't you didn't talk to me [00:24:39] about it [00:24:39] i really should have meeting with him [00:24:41] i told him about their cuts but he [00:24:43] didn't so let's just let's leave [00:24:45] unicorns off let's just go with what [00:24:47] he's recommended with the exception of [00:24:48] the interface [00:24:49] um [00:24:52] can you go over again what that is what [00:24:54] is it [00:24:55] yup 3500 so 3500 out of police over [00:25:04] oh sorry training yep sorry so over time [00:25:08] is zero training so a total of 4500 [00:25:12] right um i'm sorry can we just say that [00:25:15] again four a thousand out of 402 lower [00:25:18] road and 3 500 out of police expense [00:25:20] police training training and zero out of [00:25:22] overtime [00:25:24] okay nothing out of police expenses [00:25:28] so fire we have a thousand out of fire [00:25:30] department expense is there another [00:25:35] is there somewhere else that we can uh [00:25:54] salary registration [00:25:56] because once i get through [00:25:59] november [00:26:02] at that point [00:26:03] so [00:26:07] election registration salary correct [00:26:10] okay salary or expense salary so that's [00:26:13] the salary because it went from six to [00:26:14] eight because it was unknown with the [00:26:16] early voting and the person stuff [00:26:19] so i'm not gonna need the whole two so [00:26:21] you can take a thousand on that [00:26:25] but one question i want to kind of get [00:26:28] clarified before we get to the meeting [00:26:32] if you [00:26:33] recommend not going to the school when [00:26:35] they go against them are you guys are [00:26:37] you are you prepping to [00:26:39] do another vote [00:26:40] because what's going to happen is that [00:26:43] we have let's say hypothetically [00:26:45] that yours passes [00:26:47] when we don't increase then none of the [00:26:49] cuts are going to be needed right so [00:26:51] then procedurally someone on the [00:26:53] prevailing side is going to have to do a [00:26:54] motion to reconsider [00:26:57] and in which case [00:26:58] if we have a vote to reconsider [00:27:01] and the the school budget passes then [00:27:03] you're going to have to take into [00:27:04] account all of these cuts here so is [00:27:07] this what you're prepping for [00:27:09] this is going to be this will be [00:27:10] available [00:27:12] we're going through this this will be [00:27:13] available at the meeting okay so [00:27:14] presuming somebody wants to change my [00:27:16] change our motion when we make the [00:27:18] motion they can amend the motion but [00:27:20] right now [00:27:21] are you are you [00:27:23] is the is the board on board with just [00:27:25] keeping it the way it is [00:27:27] i believe so okay that's just [00:27:29] procedurally that's just what i need to [00:27:31] know so that you know you guys can hash [00:27:33] out the numbers and everything else i [00:27:34] just need to make certain [00:27:36] i'm prepared for whatever [00:27:39] and we're just going through in the [00:27:40] event that our motion fails [00:27:42] where and and [00:27:44] [Music] [00:27:45] they decide to support the full [00:27:47] assessment from the school [00:27:49] where that's going to come from okay [00:27:51] because [00:27:52] ideally ideally we would have [00:27:56] two ideally we would only have one [00:27:58] basically because if we're unless [00:28:00] obviously we've got changes because of [00:28:02] the error on one of the salary accounts [00:28:04] yeah so we would adopt [00:28:07] a revised line item budget yes with the [00:28:09] necessary changes that need to be out [00:28:11] there and then have a second budget with [00:28:14] all the cuts that you're doing here [00:28:16] so two worksheets yes [00:28:20] that'd be the simplest way to do it [00:28:22] obviously if somebody tries to make [00:28:24] changes [00:28:26] and [00:28:26] you know like i said i'll work on the [00:28:28] worksheet with [00:28:29] nicole to make sure there's not anything [00:28:31] funky [00:28:35] okay [00:28:50] yeah i mean i'd rather like there's no [00:28:52] surprise i mean this is a youtube [00:28:54] where they can see the meeting [00:28:56] understand where we're coming from [00:28:59] and [00:29:01] you know happy to have the dialogue with [00:29:03] them about what this means to some of [00:29:05] his departments [00:29:08] and [00:29:09] we'll be prepared if it passes but it's [00:29:11] not ideally at least what i want to see [00:29:13] happen [00:29:14] but it's not for me to decide it's the [00:29:16] most decided [00:29:18] but yeah i mean [00:29:20] if you're meeting with them on monday [00:29:21] coming to another meeting [00:29:24] sorry we've got a little sidetracked [00:29:25] here [00:29:27] we do a muddy uh meeting on this [00:29:30] uh kelly's not back yet [00:29:33] um [00:29:36] i think she's back this wednesday [00:29:56] i think she's here coming this monday [00:29:58] night's wednesday [00:30:01] that's the sunday i'm i'm thinking of [00:30:02] like the 16th [00:30:06] it'd be tuesday a week from tomorrow [00:30:09] absolutely [00:30:10] does that work just so we can [00:30:13] nipple in malay if we need to change our [00:30:15] position we have uh you know if jesse [00:30:17] says we're gonna you know i think you're [00:30:19] gonna be directing what's going to [00:30:21] happen and if she gets the inclination [00:30:23] that they're going to do what they said [00:30:25] then they need to rethink her position [00:30:28] i'm more than willing to listen to the [00:30:30] point of view [00:30:32] i feel like we're going into this [00:30:33] [Music] [00:30:36] yes [00:30:40] so what was the other very hard to hear [00:30:42] over the ac so everybody please show [00:30:44] nice [00:30:45] [Music] [00:30:47] and a thousand out of [00:30:49] i would take the snow and ice to 25. [00:30:57] just leave the [00:31:00] police cuts where they are for 3 500. [00:31:03] yeah that's fine so you guys already [00:31:05] you guys are clear you heard that forty [00:31:07] five hundred forty five hundred in total [00:31:13] what does that mean [00:31:16] well we don't need [00:31:20] is there anything else we can cut from [00:31:21] firefox [00:31:34] so [00:31:40] just while we were calculating the [00:31:41] school entire school is fifty percent [00:31:43] all schools of fifty percent better [00:31:46] with hours with 4 [00:31:49] that was last year in california [00:32:14] is [00:32:30] 41 pounds [00:32:55] salaries a thousand percent expense a [00:32:57] thousand from i.t 500 processors a [00:33:00] thousand from legal a thousand from [00:33:03] elections and registration salary 500 [00:33:06] for town building [00:33:07] 4 000 for municipal building fuel a [00:33:10] thousand from sorry thirty five hundred [00:33:12] from police training [00:33:14] a thousand from building expense reform [00:33:17] to lower road [00:33:18] a thousand who fired at apartment [00:33:20] expense twenty five thousand from snow [00:33:22] and [00:33:47] so [00:33:48] based on revised [00:33:52] so that that's what that takes [00:33:55] we're looking at the [00:33:59] so do we have we don't have a column [00:34:01] here that [00:34:03] has leftover [00:34:06] yeah it's seven thousand six hundred [00:34:08] fifty two dollars [00:34:09] that's what we're under we're under two [00:34:11] and a half by that [00:34:13] that's [00:34:15] that's our total budget based on that [00:34:18] our investments i [00:34:20] can't i don't have i didn't count i only [00:34:22] brought over what we're okay subtracting [00:34:24] that it's going to take me a little time [00:34:26] so we're looking at [00:34:32] what do you know [00:34:39] so the 2774 is the assessment that [00:34:42] they're looking for yeah okay so that's [00:34:44] the real problem [00:34:46] so if we take that [00:34:48] and minus out 42 000. [00:34:57] divided by [00:35:14] 48 of our budget [00:35:17] it's the lowest probably has been in the [00:35:19] last 15 years well i'm also calculating [00:35:21] the block so that means [00:35:32] okay i thought smith was empty [00:35:34] it is [00:35:56] that's the limit [00:36:24] just remember again this is just one [00:36:25] school at three [00:36:27] that was all oh that's all of them [00:36:32] last year was 66. yeah well we had this [00:36:35] yet last year [00:36:37] that's where it's averaged above 60 [00:36:40] percent [00:36:43] do you want to be involved in this [00:36:45] meeting next week with the school if we [00:36:47] meet again yep [00:36:59] [Music] [00:37:02] so [00:37:03] nicole can you host a meeting for [00:37:06] august the 60th that's next tuesday [00:37:10] and hopefully it will not be a long [00:37:12] meeting [00:37:13] um [00:37:15] can we have um i can work with you on [00:37:17] election can we have the worksheets [00:37:19] ready for the meeting [00:37:20] just [00:37:22] [Music] [00:37:24] um [00:37:27] [Music] [00:37:36] and just so we know exactly what we're [00:37:37] going into the meeting yet [00:37:39] you've looked at the budget and the [00:37:41] place numbers are correct in the budget [00:37:42] that we have here [00:37:45] they have the errors have been fixed [00:37:47] checked 50 times [00:38:02] that's what needed to be fixed right yes [00:38:05] so whatever way it goes where you [00:38:07] prepare because there's nothing worse [00:38:09] than doing this [00:38:15] good with that [00:38:17] and hopefully it'll be a short meeting [00:38:19] when you invite the school to come to [00:38:20] that meeting as well on the 16th yeah [00:38:25] six o'clock [00:38:45] no not only that but the school hasn't [00:38:47] even approached them yet so they're not [00:38:48] going to you know do anything [00:38:50] hypothetically [00:38:51] that's what i really want to talk about [00:38:54] is process [00:38:55] with formulas but desi is aware because [00:38:58] the school's on the 112th budget yes so [00:39:00] they're fully they're a win [00:39:03] so she had to notify sheila had to know [00:39:05] this [00:39:06] way ahead of time yesterday she knew [00:39:08] ahead of time that the towns weren't [00:39:09] going to pass us so this isn't a [00:39:11] surprise [00:39:19] so it would be nice to know what the [00:39:20] possibilities jesse could do so we just [00:39:23] know what's in front of us [00:39:25] it's a b or c or it could be d e or f [00:39:28] just so we can make an important [00:39:29] decision and not a decision out of fear [00:39:32] that they're going to come back [00:39:43] the other thing we talked about today in [00:39:45] the meeting is getting together more [00:39:47] routinely with some of the other [00:39:48] district founders [00:39:50] so either it's a selectmen maybe finance [00:39:53] time administrator and a collaborative [00:39:55] meeting so that we're not having these [00:39:57] discussions [00:39:59] at the 11th hour after getting a budget [00:40:02] but maybe doing a quarter week so we can [00:40:04] there's other reasons to meet quarterly [00:40:06] shared services other things like that [00:40:08] we'll talk about that today [00:40:10] maybe not that anyone needs another name [00:40:12] to go to but and then being proactive to [00:40:14] have those babies [00:40:17] and carol my assistant who was a town [00:40:19] administrator for 10 years in paxton [00:40:21] said they had meetings with they're they [00:40:23] they're regional and they have meetings [00:40:25] with all their towns monthly [00:40:27] all of well it was the town [00:40:28] administrators and this in the um [00:40:31] superintendent [00:40:34] just you know even what's going on [00:40:35] programming [00:40:36] you know what the school is doing [00:40:40] just to have informational so maybe [00:40:42] that's the suggestion [00:40:44] to the superintendent [00:40:52] lot more proactive than i mean this is [00:40:54] you know as hard as it is for us to have [00:40:56] this discussion i'm sure it's hard on [00:40:57] the other end because they know that [00:41:00] probably two of the towns are in the [00:41:02] past [00:41:06] i don't know how [00:41:07] i don't know [00:41:09] worried can you share what new branches [00:41:11] looking at for this [00:41:13] their finance and select or disagree [00:41:16] they say the same thing [00:41:29] they both are in [00:41:31] unison [00:41:32] that they will stay with their original [00:41:33] assessment they passed that town meeting [00:41:36] trying to say this for [00:41:38] the girl who does the minutes too [00:41:39] because she can't hear anybody [00:41:44] well [00:41:45] uh click on what will it will not happen [00:41:49] if we voted down [00:41:51] then [00:41:52] the odds are definitely that they had [00:41:54] two towns that were broken down [00:41:57] so they will [00:41:59] go back and either [00:42:14] you [00:42:26] the state will be involved the state [00:42:30] uh will look at the numbers they're not [00:42:32] going to help the towns and the state [00:42:34] doesn't care all the regional schools in [00:42:37] the state are less than 20 percent of [00:42:39] the roman population [00:42:41] and it probably got worked [00:42:49] which historically has been given the [00:42:51] school what it means [00:42:54] and we don't have the figures we can't [00:42:56] say we can't make the budget because we [00:42:58] can't we gave everybody a two and a half [00:43:00] percent ratings [00:43:03] i mean that i think it was about can we [00:43:05] research what that was but but we also [00:43:08] know what it was used [00:43:09] it was [00:43:25] it's definitely that [00:43:27] we need to know [00:43:29] where the money went [00:43:30] but i'm not talking about that i'm [00:43:32] talking about what's going to happen so [00:43:33] that's that way so we won't we'll be on [00:43:37] this two-thirds budget into september [00:43:39] october [00:43:40] november [00:43:41] they'll come back and we'll be doing the [00:43:43] cuts that we're doing right now [00:43:45] um [00:43:46] we vote this budget [00:43:48] that takes us out of the equation they [00:43:49] still don't have a budget they still [00:43:52] have [00:43:52] that either one more time will vote and [00:43:55] they'll have a budget [00:43:57] which could happen [00:43:58] or [00:43:59] the [00:44:00] they don't have a budget and the whole [00:44:02] process goes on but we're out of it [00:44:07] we're done you can you can put the time [00:44:09] that would go into all of this [00:44:12] into [00:44:13] our [00:44:14] tattering financial [00:44:17] sector and other things [00:44:19] we're done [00:44:21] because if they vote a lower number [00:44:24] our budget goes down we'll be one way if [00:44:26] they vote a higher one i don't think [00:44:28] they can vote higher than us yeah [00:44:31] so we're set we're done you're done with [00:44:34] it you can just forget it for a year [00:44:36] so this year you want to tilt this [00:44:39] windmill [00:44:40] you've got the state and the federal and [00:44:42] everything else we say that every single [00:44:44] year and it's time to tilt it [00:44:47] it is time to tell them these people [00:44:49] talking about a raise i thought they [00:44:51] come up in this it angers me these [00:44:53] people have gone without racism [00:44:55] i agree with you i have supported this [00:44:57] race you're on the personnel committee [00:45:00] you know i i support it i support [00:45:02] everything she's done she's done more [00:45:04] than that personality [00:45:06] is marginal [00:45:08] marginal it's a slap in the face for a [00:45:11] lot of these people who haven't had a [00:45:12] raise in years [00:45:14] they got one last year [00:45:16] and the school gets them every single [00:45:18] year [00:45:20] every single [00:45:22] year [00:45:26] negotiations [00:45:27] with certain administration people [00:45:30] that they usually come out a lot better [00:45:32] than the common i'm not i'm not for the [00:45:35] school i'm not against the school [00:45:37] getting braces i think people should get [00:45:38] braces i think when that argument is [00:45:40] used yes but we gave our people two [00:45:43] percent raises [00:45:45] that's not a great argument to use [00:45:46] because these people deserve the money [00:45:48] they haven't had it for many years while [00:45:51] their counterparts in [00:45:53] education have been getting this and [00:45:55] it's been built into our assessment [00:45:57] so i don't really think that's a fair [00:45:59] assessment well we used to put what [00:46:01] everybody [00:46:02] involved [00:46:03] in the whole district was getting [00:46:05] into our annual reports and what's [00:46:08] passed out to me [00:46:10] everybody's salary was passed [00:46:12] but we don't know the increases they [00:46:14] don't see the increases [00:46:16] from year to year we don't know unless [00:46:18] yeah you you can use public information [00:46:21] agree but by looking at the annual [00:46:22] report you don't see that so the voter [00:46:24] doesn't know that somebody got it [00:46:26] it [00:46:41] it's not an easy time i get i get what [00:46:43] you're saying i just don't pull this off [00:46:45] with delivered [00:46:46] no we don't have food [00:46:51] all right [00:46:52] we're good on that [00:46:54] okay [00:46:59] all right [00:47:01] um [00:47:18] i included your email yes good their [00:47:20] appointments [00:47:28] so the listing we have in front of us [00:47:34] is that mine or yours [00:47:37] [Applause] [00:47:38] that's the one you sent okay yeah one of [00:47:41] what in comparison i wasn't sure what [00:47:42] you had in comparison to the one that [00:47:44] she may have sent you [00:47:46] those were [00:47:48] some of the names in the in the changes [00:47:50] there hasn't there wasn't anybody [00:47:52] added [00:47:53] there wasn't anything [00:47:56] um [00:47:57] removed it was just [00:47:59] minor i don't want to call it cleanup it [00:48:01] was just just minor [00:48:03] formatting so your questions that you [00:48:05] raised here about the um clerk being [00:48:07] appointed for the planning board [00:48:09] yeah just yeah i'm just just a question [00:48:12] i'm just asking you know i didn't know [00:48:14] if you guys did it or not or if they did [00:48:16] that's all it's just it's minor [00:48:18] clerical stuff and like so the names [00:48:20] that are on there you know like rod [00:48:21] leahy he's moved catherine carr has [00:48:23] moved [00:48:24] um [00:48:26] and then one of the fingcon members [00:48:27] resigned one of the registrars had [00:48:29] resigned [00:48:31] so all the names that they're not on [00:48:33] that list they're on the previous list [00:48:35] so if you compared both i didn't so this [00:48:37] is accurate based on all these edits [00:48:39] that's exactly in other words that sheet [00:48:41] that you have in front of you reflects [00:48:43] what i've done [00:48:45] i still question how many people [00:48:47] actually need to be appointed [00:48:49] so and so then paula had come in to see [00:48:52] me today to try she said she had given [00:48:55] me [00:48:56] a breakdown of what committee was [00:48:57] appointed by town meeting and which was [00:49:00] by you guys honest i don't i'm pretty [00:49:02] good at remembering things i don't [00:49:04] remember that [00:49:05] i had an incident with my drawer the top [00:49:07] drawer fell out crashed the floor so i [00:49:10] can't get in there until tomorrow when i [00:49:11] go to worcester get a key to fix it so [00:49:14] if she has that there are some of the [00:49:16] committees on there that are from town [00:49:18] meeting with the master plan capital [00:49:20] planning [00:49:21] all the other ones [00:49:23] um [00:49:24] it's it's at your discretion and our [00:49:25] bylaws stipulate that pretty much once [00:49:28] the committee's done [00:49:29] that's it [00:49:31] you can disband them they don't need to [00:49:32] be reappointed so that was a question on [00:49:34] what the broadband in this i didn't know [00:49:36] the cert i don't even know what that is [00:49:38] the c-e-r-t [00:49:39] that's [00:49:42] uh their bubble hunt and you know with [00:49:46] volunteers who would sometimes help it [00:49:48] uh [00:49:49] direct traffic or shepherd [00:49:51] trick-or-treaters around yeah so that's [00:49:53] not something that i [00:49:54] have cpr and [00:50:00] that's what i mean so it's like that's [00:50:02] not something that has to necessarily be [00:50:03] appointed appointed [00:50:05] appointed official should be you know [00:50:07] the account the treasurer the collector [00:50:09] and committees that the town has set up [00:50:11] or you set up to [00:50:13] give you information feedback you know [00:50:15] we don't have the superintendent search [00:50:17] committee anymore we don't have the [00:50:18] police chief search committee anymore so [00:50:20] if there are committees on here that you [00:50:21] don't [00:50:22] feel you need you don't have to [00:50:25] continue on appointing them [00:50:27] and that was what i just questioned with [00:50:29] the broad the broadband and the cert [00:50:33] the other thing is [00:50:38] there are [00:50:39] well there is [00:50:41] at least there's one member of the zba [00:50:43] that's also in the planning board he's [00:50:44] the chair so [00:50:46] if if they deny a permit it's going to [00:50:48] the zba and it's going right back to him [00:50:50] and i don't [00:50:51] i don't know if that's a conflict [00:50:54] i don't know [00:50:57] eric isn't listening to them [00:51:02] on the sunday morning fields listed on [00:51:04] his ebay but he's not listed here [00:51:16] i don't know the statute and the thing [00:51:18] is the zoning board hasn't met in [00:51:20] pierce [00:51:22] but she raised [00:51:23] i don't apologize for something that [00:51:25] sure is a good point i believe it's [00:51:27] probably one of those things i think it [00:51:28] was just [00:51:30] just turned and turned because he was [00:51:31] off of the planning world for a while [00:51:37] [Music] [00:51:46] okay so you wouldn't have you don't have [00:51:48] to put them on and if you find out that [00:51:50] it can be then you could put them on if [00:51:51] you want to do it or the opposite so [00:51:57] we just clean this up [00:52:00] i would suggest that and we can start [00:52:02] from scratch let's just clean let's take [00:52:04] off the ones that we don't like the [00:52:06] animal inspector we don't have to [00:52:07] appoint them because they're afflicted [00:52:08] by the black house [00:52:10] the assistant counterpart which is [00:52:11] vacant but appointed by the temple let's [00:52:13] just take off the ones that we don't so [00:52:15] we have a nice list [00:52:16] every year for reappointments well the [00:52:18] reason why i do that because then i have [00:52:20] to [00:52:20] merge two documents for elected [00:52:22] officials listen to point to this but [00:52:24] could certainly do that [00:52:26] that way it's just you guys and i and i [00:52:28] had told people [00:52:31] because then i'm going to have two lists [00:52:32] in the report and i have quite a bit of [00:52:34] the selectmen appointed by that point [00:52:37] like i mean we everybody seems to be [00:52:40] appointed [00:52:41] like the whole town [00:52:42] except for some reason highway always is [00:52:44] never involved in all of the regular [00:52:47] processes like you don't have the [00:52:49] highway guys going to get sworn in [00:52:51] correct [00:52:52] but you'll have like somebody's [00:52:53] assistant administrative assistant but [00:52:55] anybody's anybody that's responsible for [00:52:57] any action that's taking if they're [00:52:59] taking an authoritative action on behalf [00:53:01] of the town they should be splurged i [00:53:03] mean but it's not it's not my call [00:53:06] my role is to administer an oath if [00:53:09] someone is required to take an oath and [00:53:11] they don't take it that's not on me [00:53:12] that's on that person so it's just it's [00:53:15] recommended that those that do for [00:53:17] example i i think the assistant to the [00:53:18] treasure collector should be [00:53:20] because she's taking in tax money she's [00:53:22] acting and [00:53:23] assisting her but that's [00:53:25] and it's [00:53:26] certainly [00:53:30] and again it's not anything that i'm [00:53:31] particularly concerned about my role is [00:53:33] to simply administer the earth i really [00:53:35] don't have much enforcement when it [00:53:37] comes to things i have to do ethics i [00:53:38] have to do open meeting a lot [00:53:40] and i have to do a conflict of interest [00:53:43] so [00:53:49] i think anybody that works for the town [00:53:50] should should [00:53:52] i want to say fair allegiance but [00:53:56] so so [00:53:57] just to be clear [00:53:59] is there any reason why we couldn't [00:54:01] include in our appointments if [00:54:02] something's already if someone's already [00:54:03] been appointed by pool to help [00:54:06] no it can be taken out i mean you could [00:54:08] you could simply if you wanted to adopt [00:54:10] that sheet you could say i mean it'll be [00:54:11] a doc [00:54:12] you know that she does [00:54:14] because it clearly states that [00:54:17] that was the point of my board of health [00:54:19] ordered by me or i could take out and [00:54:20] print it for it [00:54:30] [Music] [00:54:32] i mean she did fantastic putting that [00:54:34] all together what i'm doing is just all [00:54:36] i'm doing is just fine tuning and i'm [00:54:37] not trying to take away [00:54:39] like she said it would be nice to have a [00:54:40] nice starting point because then i can i [00:54:42] don't want to say throw away all the all [00:54:44] the spreadsheets that i had to go back [00:54:45] that you don't know [00:54:47] who's who when they started etc [00:55:04] i think i can make the motion to [00:55:07] accept this [00:55:09] appointment [00:55:10] list [00:55:11] except for the broadband advisory [00:55:13] committee that people understand [00:55:17] it works [00:55:20] i don't know absurd is part of the [00:55:22] emergency preparedness thing [00:55:25] so you might check that well well that's [00:55:28] i i'm just saying i'm gonna i think we [00:55:30] should accept this but we obviously need [00:55:33] to research some of these other things [00:55:34] because it is a new braintree department [00:55:36] thing [00:55:38] so we can't technically [00:55:41] you know appoint anybody to the branch [00:55:43] yeah so who on there is from harvard so [00:55:46] the people from [00:55:48] should be the only ones that we are [00:55:51] little things but at this point [00:55:54] it's just a formality to make sure these [00:55:57] people [00:55:58] are in their positions as they're [00:56:00] supposed [00:56:06] so just to clarify because i have to [00:56:09] slow down this as well so i have to [00:56:11] second it so your motion was to [00:56:14] uphold the appointments by the board of [00:56:16] celebrities that was prepared by the [00:56:19] town clerk [00:56:20] with the exception of the broadband [00:56:22] advisory committee [00:56:24] and [00:56:26] with the exception of ending the [00:56:27] braintree [00:56:29] uh residents that are included under the [00:56:31] emergency management part of the great [00:56:33] research [00:56:41] so the original motion failed so moved [00:56:43] and seconded all in favor [00:56:47] okay [00:56:49] thank you yeah thank you thank you [00:56:52] uh include my new board [00:56:54] member yep [00:56:56] uh yeah took jim stafford [00:57:01] i think [00:57:02] what's what's the committee against [00:57:04] hotel town hall yeah [00:57:06] house [00:57:07] yeah jim is still we're very confusing [00:57:10] everybody in the whole entire state but [00:57:11] peterson [00:57:12] peter schmidt peter schmidt is on yeah [00:57:16] it's yourself lucinda [00:57:18] peter and jacob [00:57:19] and liz riley says riley is not on here [00:57:32] and now you're still at 5.00 [00:57:51] thank you thanks [00:57:58] okay so we've handled the cable build [00:58:00] out so yeah thank you for the budget [00:58:02] review is there any other business [00:58:12] [Music] [00:58:20] march 28th in red because it was [00:58:22] surprised see them at the top because i [00:58:26] i had them i didn't have them in there [00:58:28] but i had them in your packet but i [00:58:29] didn't have it on the agenda okay [00:58:32] i read through them i didn't see any [00:58:33] issues [00:58:37] move to accept the minutes from february [00:58:40] 28 20 22 [00:58:43] march [00:58:50] june 27th 2022 [00:58:53] july 11 2022 [00:58:58] and august 1st [00:59:10] [Music] [00:59:11] acknowledging um [00:59:14] and accepting ten thousand dollars from [00:59:15] not just collection container under the [00:59:17] sustainable materials recovery program [00:59:19] in the civil grant program from the mass [00:59:22] department of environmental protection [00:59:24] join me to read the letter [00:59:26] sure [00:59:27] letter from [00:59:28] the governor dear miss kemp [00:59:30] congratulations i'm pleased to notify [00:59:32] you that the town of hardwood has been [00:59:33] awarded a sustainable materials [00:59:34] appropriate program grant for a mattress [00:59:36] collection container in the amount of [00:59:38] ten thousand dollars i want to thank you [00:59:39] for your commitment to reducing waste [00:59:41] and increasing recycling for the benefit [00:59:42] of our communities and the environment [00:59:44] and closed you'll find further [00:59:45] instruction from the dep on next steps [00:59:48] please feel free to contact rachel smith [00:59:50] if you have any questions charles baker [00:59:52] and carolina [00:59:54] so she got a grant so she's going to get [00:59:55] this thing this this roll up this [00:59:57] container [00:59:59] and it's the best one she found is still [01:00:02] under 10 000 so [01:00:04] um [01:00:05] you know she's going to get this nice [01:00:06] big container and they're going to be [01:00:07] able to generate revenue by taking in [01:00:09] mattresses from people [01:00:11] okay [01:00:13] instead of the ideas then instead of [01:00:14] them ending up in the side of the street [01:00:16] somewhere yeah that group [01:00:21] so we just need to make a motion to [01:00:22] accept the um [01:00:24] therapeutic [01:00:38] hi [01:00:46] um i don't think so i mean i think i was [01:00:48] going to cover [01:00:49] the meeting today in my report [01:00:52] which we'll talk about [01:00:53] yeah we [01:00:54] did [01:00:56] um next item is the discussion revolt [01:00:58] relative to the article [01:01:01] i know we talked about this in a meeting [01:01:03] last week [01:01:05] of discussing do we have anything from [01:01:09] sarah [01:01:10] on where she's at or where where we are [01:01:12] not necessarily i mean i have invoices [01:01:16] that they worked on [01:01:18] as of july 1 you know before you [01:01:20] allocated any of the funding which you [01:01:22] still haven't um so they're kind of just [01:01:25] sitting here and it's a lot of money and [01:01:27] i again i i feel [01:01:29] you know if i was a selectman i would [01:01:32] be beside myself as well and so i had a [01:01:34] conversation with her because they they [01:01:36] equal almost 25 000 this is [01:01:38] basically closing out through june [01:01:41] so they'll be reconciled posted [01:01:44] all of the things for the most part [01:01:45] through june [01:01:48] um i know [01:01:50] and so i had a conversation with her and [01:01:52] said i'm not joking [01:01:54] i [01:01:55] wouldn't age [01:01:57] so i um [01:02:03] i have three invoices and it's all [01:02:07] it's all working with of course [01:02:11] the treasurer and the collector [01:02:13] she was doing you know some collector [01:02:14] work right she said you know what [01:02:16] what we need you to focus on is [01:02:19] helping close the end of the year [01:02:21] because you know honestly [01:02:22] she was caught up through november [01:02:25] in until we lost the person in december [01:02:27] so you know to have to [01:02:30] do all of that you know that's that was [01:02:32] that was an issue so there's that and [01:02:34] then and then now finishing up to close [01:02:36] the year because now she's got an [01:02:37] assistant who is you know her second [01:02:40] week now she's doing great already knows [01:02:42] a lot [01:02:42] and um and so i said you really have to [01:02:45] focus on the high level stuff if there's [01:02:47] something that jessica can do [01:02:49] you know on her own [01:02:51] um i'm trying to think of something [01:02:53] right now but any of the posting or [01:02:55] reconciling like things that she can [01:02:57] just get done on her own now she has an [01:02:58] assistant [01:02:59] um [01:03:00] we got you we have to prioritize you [01:03:03] can't keep spending so [01:03:05] i know she worked with jen on some um [01:03:09] reconciling [01:03:11] i don't know you know what i don't [01:03:12] really know exactly what they do [01:03:15] um but [01:03:16] you know i just said it's kind of you [01:03:18] really have to reel it in and only do is [01:03:21] absolutely necessary we'll take care of [01:03:22] the rest i'm going to help train the [01:03:24] department i don't you know i can't [01:03:26] train her specifically on what to do [01:03:28] that's why i said you know prioritizing [01:03:29] what to do daily weekly monthly [01:03:31] quarterly et cetera but i can help with [01:03:33] the management of it [01:03:34] you know take take that piece out of it [01:03:37] she doesn't have to do [01:03:38] you know what how she should act if she [01:03:41] and i had it my house had a meeting with [01:03:42] jessica separately you know what should [01:03:44] happen if there is any discipline or any [01:03:47] you know don't go to sarah for that you [01:03:49] come to me for that [01:03:50] and you know we're going to try to we [01:03:52] really have to start separating it we've [01:03:55] spent a lot of money on it [01:03:57] and we've come a long way [01:03:59] and we did create a brand new department [01:04:01] and i think dls is going to be pleased [01:04:03] when they come in and see what we've [01:04:05] done [01:04:06] you know so [01:04:07] it's necessary but and thankfully we [01:04:10] have the money but you know i'm really [01:04:12] really trying to reel it in now [01:04:14] yeah of course [01:04:17] that was the new [01:04:20] complaint so i talked to her a little [01:04:22] bit today she's doing really well she [01:04:23] already knows a lot so now she's just [01:04:26] kind of learning the hardwick way and [01:04:27] parts of vader that she didn't know [01:04:30] um and [01:04:32] you know jessica has training this week [01:04:34] tuesday wednesday thursday and she does [01:04:36] she's thinking about maybe not going to [01:04:37] the training on thursday because it's [01:04:39] payroll and she wants to show her how [01:04:41] but i just said make sure that you don't [01:04:43] need to go to this training because you [01:04:44] really should have this training but she [01:04:46] says she's been going [01:04:48] and she believes this is her final year [01:04:51] for her to be certified because it's [01:04:53] three years of paying dues and she's not [01:04:55] sure she's going to look into it this is [01:04:57] her second or third year paying dues so [01:04:59] she can become certified [01:05:01] um [01:05:02] can we take care of this yes [01:05:04] no [01:05:06] it's all set it's fine [01:05:09] there was a mistake it was a typo in [01:05:10] their part i have a new one but that one [01:05:12] was just sitting there so it's [01:05:14] it's it's it's different there was a [01:05:17] mistake they left the old itemized but [01:05:20] with the new work [01:05:22] so i have [01:05:24] detailed [01:05:25] reports of every minute that she's [01:05:27] working [01:05:29] so [01:05:30] i have all of their worksheets for who's [01:05:31] working and when [01:05:33] whether it's absolutely sarah or an [01:05:35] employee who's less [01:05:40] so we have to um [01:05:43] so we asked her to come up with a budget [01:05:46] um [01:05:52] yeah i know well that's what i was like [01:05:53] whoa i mean i just sat here for a minute [01:05:55] and i was like did we just get close [01:05:57] well [01:05:58] in july [01:06:02] so [01:06:04] but i think that whole amount that you [01:06:06] know was more [01:06:09] was more for everything that they've [01:06:11] done and they and that was they were [01:06:14] 15-hour days two 15-hour days each week [01:06:18] they came in to just bang it all out [01:06:21] and jessica doesn't get extra for that [01:06:22] she has a salary and that's it [01:06:26] so [01:06:28] it's just it's i think it's growing [01:06:30] pains too i mean thank god we have this [01:06:33] or we will be in the same position we're [01:06:35] in so so we have 25 000 we have to [01:06:38] allocate because we have nothing [01:06:40] allocated for this right you have an out [01:06:42] yeah because [01:06:44] the bill was sent out and i was like and [01:06:46] then [01:06:47] she laurie asked me about it and i was [01:06:49] like no no [01:06:51] send that back to me [01:06:53] it hasn't been approved yet so [01:06:56] nothing's been allocated [01:06:58] um so we have to allocate almost 25 000 [01:07:01] just to cover the amounts of stuff [01:07:03] already right [01:07:05] so she was originally she had said 50. [01:07:07] she said up to not to exceed she thought [01:07:10] it would be 35 she still thinks it'll be [01:07:12] 35. if with all of this work done [01:07:16] plus [01:07:17] the one day a week for the next [01:07:20] few months [01:07:21] until late november [01:07:26] so it's about a thousand dollars a day [01:07:29] well no it's because [01:07:32] two 15-hour days right so two days and [01:07:34] 30 hours which would never they'll never [01:07:37] do that again they got all the way up [01:07:38] through the end of may by doing that but [01:07:41] just in one day [01:07:45] if one day a week but that's at our [01:07:47] discretion too like you know we can [01:07:49] start really pumping the brakes on it [01:08:01] um [01:08:02] you know we could potentially just [01:08:06] stop here no i don't think we should and [01:08:10] i'll tell you why [01:08:11] i think that the one [01:08:13] maybe it's every other week but let's do [01:08:15] once a week and maybe once everyone [01:08:19] because [01:08:20] a little bit of this i think she needs [01:08:22] continued confidence [01:08:24] and somebody needs to be checking on her [01:08:28] as she's gaining confidence to make sure [01:08:31] that she's meeting [01:08:34] everything [01:08:38] i mean this is training [01:08:40] there's no [01:08:41] i mean when you send people to college [01:08:43] or something to learn something so this [01:08:44] is i guess this is just part of it well [01:08:47] and that's what i and i did tell jessica [01:08:49] that i said you can imagine the position [01:08:51] that we're in [01:08:52] you know [01:08:53] spending all this money on you and you [01:08:56] could walk out that door tomorrow i said [01:08:58] we might need an agreement that you sign [01:09:00] but you stay with us you know i don't [01:09:02] want to have a home management contract [01:09:04] but [01:09:05] an agreement like that you stay with us [01:09:07] or you've got to pay us back [01:09:10] because i don't want to lose that [01:09:12] investment [01:09:13] when she said she'd sign anything [01:09:14] obviously legal would do it we would it [01:09:17] would be beneficial for both sides [01:09:22] of [01:09:23] those things [01:09:25] well you have enforcement and that's the [01:09:27] biggest thing i do whenever i do policy [01:09:29] and you've got to have enforcement i [01:09:30] can't tell you how many times in my past [01:09:33] that i'd be like well look we have an [01:09:35] ordinance we have a bylaw and then like [01:09:36] what do i do if they don't do i have [01:09:38] nothing [01:09:39] so i absolutely always have enforcement [01:09:42] in there so you know you sign it [01:09:44] you pay us 25 000 if you leave within [01:09:47] the next three years [01:09:48] something honestly we do [01:09:50] police officers [01:09:52] all the time [01:09:54] paper guys get trained and yeah they [01:09:56] decide they want to go somewhere else [01:09:59] i i guess my point is i think we should [01:10:01] just allocate money [01:10:04] and keep moving forward because [01:10:06] i feel like we're going in the right [01:10:08] direction so i do too so how would you [01:10:11] want to allocate so we have to allocate [01:10:14] you know 25 000 people those that were [01:10:16] asked i say we go with 35 [01:10:18] and that gives them 10 roughly 10 weeks [01:10:22] and that gives us enough time so [01:10:25] we already leave it up to their judgment [01:10:27] on how they want to do this [01:10:42] in arpa it comes right out of arpa [01:10:45] yeah where are we [01:10:46] no arpa has its own account so you just [01:10:48] allocate that thirty five thousand of [01:10:50] the arpa goes toward [01:10:53] towards the towards me to ask me [01:10:54] anything [01:11:07] next item is discussion vote warrant [01:11:09] signing process um just one more thing [01:11:12] yeah so [01:11:13] i [01:11:14] ray called me [01:11:16] right before [01:11:18] he got a [01:11:19] last-minute number from [01:11:21] ludlow [01:11:38] just that was just the labor [01:11:42] place of hospitality parts [01:11:44] so now this is 10 [01:11:46] 500 [01:11:47] but they're providing labor and [01:11:50] equipment how many hydrogen [01:12:06] and we don't i don't have anything you [01:12:08] didn't give me anything everything that [01:12:10] you've approved you've had something [01:12:12] concrete that i give to malanson to [01:12:14] convey out of arpa because this is [01:12:16] pretty i just want to bring it up oh [01:12:18] okay i i just feel like i want to get [01:12:30] so we do you know we've said it [01:12:31] repeatedly that we need something in [01:12:33] writing and that it all comes down [01:12:35] necessarily to the reporting we have to [01:12:37] do [01:12:38] and it's very detailed and every time i [01:12:40] get an approval i send your vote on [01:12:43] letterhead with the amount [01:12:45] and all of the quotes behind it to [01:12:47] malanson because that's the way that we [01:12:49] report it so that's why i keep saying [01:12:51] where is it in writing you know it can't [01:12:53] just [01:12:54] willy-nilly it and the other issue is [01:12:56] the sewer that they approved [01:12:59] the [01:13:02] state [01:13:03] is requiring a lot of stuff for us to do [01:13:05] it through the state [01:13:06] so i think we're going to have to take a [01:13:08] different avenue so we're probably going [01:13:10] to listen [01:13:12] it's [01:13:13] on that project [01:13:31] 50. [01:13:32] you just solicit it doesn't even have to [01:13:33] come back [01:13:34] i'll talk to marty if anybody will ever [01:13:36] wants to come and talk to me i'm here [01:13:39] yeah i think he i don't know what was [01:13:41] going on he just called me today and [01:13:43] just [01:13:44] jesus ask me [01:13:46] i do have experience working in [01:13:48] the state so it's just asking me about [01:13:51] how that worked i'm like yeah [01:13:54] i can complicate it if there's not [01:13:56] an item [01:13:58] in the bid and did the job like they did [01:14:01] this job if there was no item for that [01:14:03] particular work [01:14:05] then the state gets [01:14:07] to create an item on their form that can [01:14:11] be assets [01:14:12] he [01:14:24] [Music] [01:14:26] yeah because like we're gonna do the [01:14:28] water [01:14:29] at the water meeting right [01:14:31] talk about the meters the meters are not [01:14:32] going to be that that quote is not going [01:14:34] to be good anymore in september [01:14:37] it's telling teeth getting any [01:14:38] information out of east national water [01:14:40] so [01:14:41] i'll try to get it i'll try to get in [01:14:43] there i'll just reach out to the company [01:14:44] directly [01:14:47] but that's that's it i think everything [01:14:49] else we're good with right now [01:14:53] so discussion board on the warrant [01:14:54] signing process [01:14:56] so that i think came up as a result of [01:14:59] the meeting that we have with matt [01:15:02] about um [01:15:05] so in the past i think [01:15:07] we need to talk about whether we [01:15:10] want to look at the warrant as a board [01:15:13] we want to designate somebody to look at [01:15:15] the warrant [01:15:18] and sign because they're not allowing [01:15:20] them to be released [01:15:37] if they can vote to authorize you as [01:15:39] chair to sign [01:15:41] yeah [01:15:42] i mean i'd almost see you as vegas [01:15:45] a member that way in some reason the [01:15:47] chairs [01:15:48] somebody else can get that's fine [01:16:04] um authorizing the poll [01:16:08] authors two signatures on the warrant [01:16:09] one being a member of the board of [01:16:11] selectmen in addition to the pool in [01:16:13] order for [01:16:15] the warrant to be processed and the [01:16:17] checks to be generated [01:16:32] many reports we have the police [01:16:33] department report emailed to us yeah and [01:16:36] then i have the library that i forgot to [01:16:38] send to you so i can send that to you or [01:16:40] email okay we can always talk about that [01:16:42] next time so can we make sure that the [01:16:44] arpa funding is on the agenda for next [01:16:47] time also yeah i mean i just assume [01:16:49] leave it on and if there's nothing to do [01:16:51] we just go right by it okay [01:16:53] uh [01:16:54] it's our administrative report [01:16:56] um so [01:16:58] usda has [01:17:00] re-released the funding so we're back on [01:17:02] to the sewer project i know i said it [01:17:04] the last meeting unfortunately it wasn't [01:17:06] recorded so it's just the people that [01:17:08] were there so [01:17:10] um just to let everybody know that we're [01:17:12] back on track we have a couple of little [01:17:14] hiccups that's not surprising so [01:17:17] we are we are moving forward again i had [01:17:20] a meeting with joe delvo who is now the [01:17:22] lead on the project [01:17:24] and we spoke about cost thus far how [01:17:27] monthly reporting should go the format [01:17:29] he wanted it's a simple spreadsheet but [01:17:31] the way that we were sending it was just [01:17:33] a report through radar and it was you [01:17:35] know it's cumbersome for him because [01:17:36] then he has to manually enter things so [01:17:38] we now are going to use this spreadsheet [01:17:40] and [01:17:42] go forward like that [01:17:44] dpc has submitted an noi to conservation [01:17:47] because uh where the pro where the [01:17:48] proposed pump station is going to be has [01:17:51] is in their jurisdiction we are waiting [01:17:53] on a title research for parcel [01:17:55] the attorney said up to two weeks so [01:17:57] this week is two weeks [01:17:59] so i'm [01:18:00] gonna harp on them tomorrow and see if [01:18:02] they've got that back it shouldn't be [01:18:04] too complicated because we've done a lot [01:18:05] of the legwork already in the past [01:18:10] retirement insurance i'm writing the [01:18:11] policy for the personnel review um i [01:18:14] will try to call a personnel meeting in [01:18:16] the near future to [01:18:18] include it into our personal handbook [01:18:20] that is currently being typed up and it [01:18:22] will be in front of the selectmen at [01:18:24] some point when it's done [01:18:26] and dls was supposed to be on 7-1 to [01:18:28] start our financial review but they [01:18:29] informed me that they lost an employee [01:18:30] which put them behind schedule hardwick [01:18:32] is next on their list hopefully they get [01:18:34] out here very soon he told me by the end [01:18:36] of the month it's now the eighth so i'll [01:18:38] be reaching out to them again [01:18:40] um [01:18:42] osrp update so we have an open space and [01:18:45] rec plan that we want to work on to [01:18:47] update so we can get some park grants [01:18:49] the park [01:18:51] and rec committee is would be would like [01:18:53] to to get some granting going so they [01:18:55] can put some uh equipment at the park [01:18:58] the gilbertville park [01:19:00] we need a plant we need to appoint a [01:19:02] planning committee with cmrpc but we [01:19:04] uh don't have that yet it's not formally [01:19:06] been [01:19:07] released that we actually have planning [01:19:10] right money so we're waiting [01:19:12] the hard way fair is august 19th and [01:19:14] 20th hope to see everybody there [01:19:17] townhouse [01:19:19] i know i wrote so many inspections [01:19:22] we have building fire extinguishers [01:19:24] elevator security system and now we need [01:19:26] a fire escape inspection i called a few [01:19:29] companies that were willing to do it and [01:19:31] i was waiting to hear back i did hear [01:19:32] back from them on friday and i also [01:19:34] heard back from another architect today [01:19:37] who's coming out tomorrow morning at [01:19:38] nine o'clock so he's going to do the [01:19:39] inspection tomorrow because we're on a [01:19:41] time crunch but if we don't if we don't [01:19:43] pass and we need an inspection i mean we [01:19:46] need a repair [01:19:47] that it's got to be done by the 19th and [01:19:48] we can't even hold anything there for [01:19:50] the fair [01:19:51] so we've never had it inspected even [01:19:53] though they're supposed to be inspected [01:19:54] every five years so our former building [01:19:56] inspector just didn't do it all thing [01:19:58] with the building inspector [01:20:01] has been a nutmeg so the building [01:20:03] inspector is enforcing codes that have [01:20:05] never been enforced so all you know it's [01:20:07] all new it's not new but it's all new to [01:20:09] us so yeah we just have to we just have [01:20:11] to comply and he is working with us so [01:20:14] in the event it does need a repair or [01:20:15] something like that he'll work with me [01:20:17] we'll get it done quick so [01:20:19] um [01:20:20] what's the time again tomorrow morning [01:20:23] at night no okay [01:20:26] um cm geeks [01:20:27] received [01:20:29] all of the the equipment this week i [01:20:31] actually had two [01:20:32] installs today so i got a new computer [01:20:35] and in the old collector's office is [01:20:37] going to be my assistant's computer i'm [01:20:39] not sure which office i should have [01:20:42] you know if i should have that office [01:20:43] and they should be here in case you know [01:20:45] to get out at all the files or if i just [01:20:48] stay where i am and then they go over [01:20:49] there i mean i like to have my own [01:20:50] bathroom that would be nice but i don't [01:20:52] know yet so [01:20:53] right now the assistant's over there [01:20:56] um i joined the legislative committee [01:20:58] and bylaw committee through stam so [01:21:00] there are small committees that [01:21:02] work for the commonwealth to you know [01:21:04] obviously rate bylaws in legislative [01:21:07] work so laws [01:21:09] just so you know it's nothing special [01:21:11] it's just they need the town [01:21:12] administrators to do this i'm not the [01:21:13] chair or anything i'm just on it [01:21:16] and today we had a meeting with the two [01:21:18] other towns with new braintree and with [01:21:20] hubbardston regarding the school budget [01:21:22] and how the process goes [01:21:25] and we're all in agreement that it's an [01:21:28] unsustainable process and unsustainable [01:21:32] requests that they have for us so [01:21:35] uh you know honestly as a business [01:21:38] standpoint it's just [01:21:40] it's it's just not going it just doesn't [01:21:42] work [01:21:43] so i know that it's partly due to [01:21:45] formulas and partly due to as you know [01:21:48] specifically regional schools which is [01:21:49] why i asked desti if i could have an [01:21:52] appointment you know meeting with them [01:21:54] just so i can understand what goes on [01:21:56] and you know to really let them know [01:21:58] that this process is not sustainable for [01:22:00] our small towns clearly we have regional [01:22:02] schools for a reason so we already had [01:22:04] that discussion so i just wanted to let [01:22:06] you know about that [01:22:07] so that's it for me [01:22:15] we have one so i [01:22:17] i i bought keys [01:22:19] that i was just gonna not do but then it [01:22:21] was twenty four dollars i was like okay [01:22:23] i'll get reversed i made keys uh the [01:22:25] building inspector didn't have keys and [01:22:26] you made keys for [01:22:28] the veteran's office everybody's moving [01:22:30] et cetera so in postage i had to send [01:22:33] something overnight for um [01:22:35] for [01:22:37] the [01:22:38] sweeper to get the plates [01:22:40] so that's for me reimbursement at the [01:22:42] top of the left and i'm not going to [01:22:44] sign my own obviously those are the [01:22:45] receipts [01:22:48] it's 32.50 [01:22:55] typically and i've told everybody you [01:22:57] know we don't do this [01:22:59] you go through a vendor that invoices [01:23:02] you [01:23:03] i'm trying to get everybody to get away [01:23:05] from this but i needed the keys and i [01:23:06] needed to send that overnight so [01:23:08] sometimes you can't avoid it but [01:23:10] for the most part i don't like people [01:23:12] all getting reimbursed first of all you [01:23:14] don't get your tax back [01:23:16] and it's just not good practice not good [01:23:18] finance practice and definitely dls will [01:23:20] say something about it [01:23:22] only if it's a percentage [01:23:24] it's got to be a high enough percentage [01:23:25] yeah it's kind of it's people have to be [01:23:27] you know [01:23:28] almost the way of abuse but i just don't [01:23:31] like it i just don't like anybody using [01:23:33] their personal money and waiting to get [01:23:34] reimbursed it's not fair to them [01:23:37] so [01:23:44] okay well sure let's do it [01:23:54] [Music] [01:23:59] should start [01:24:01] being [01:24:02] part of my sewer meetings [01:24:05] sure because at some point [01:24:07] so should we just move on to monday [01:24:09] night and [01:24:11] remember i really don't even have a [01:24:13] sewer commission because [01:24:14] basically nobody cares [01:24:19] so like i said so maybe that's what i'll [01:24:21] do is [01:24:36] well it could take up to two months [01:24:40] it's already [01:24:44] i can reach out to donnie burkey and see [01:24:46] where they're at [01:24:47] yeah [01:24:48] i will [01:24:50] so we've been voted for this band [01:24:52] we wrote to [01:24:53] well we voted [01:24:57] yeah so but obviously there's a [01:25:01] there's a lull in here between [01:25:03] that's exactly right [01:25:05] and technically everybody's still [01:25:06] elected [01:25:07] to that [01:25:08] convention are you gonna have enough [01:25:10] people to actually transact business [01:25:13] one other person will come not he wasn't [01:25:15] available this week [01:25:21] i have not heard [01:25:36] could not make [01:25:53] in in september there's not even any [01:25:55] business for you guys right you want to [01:25:56] just do it on tuesday [01:26:02] just do joint sewer commission meeting [01:26:04] we can just keep those [01:26:06] on our meetings on our agendas until [01:26:08] it's finalized yeah so we'll do that on [01:26:11] the 16th [01:26:12] uh that can be the first time [01:26:15] unless you want to do i mean we want to [01:26:16] do with the budget we can deal with [01:26:17] budget and just make the sewer [01:26:20] meeting at 6 30. yeah yeah [01:26:26] i can always open the meeting [01:26:30] because technically it's not a selection [01:26:32] it's a sewer commission [01:26:33] right [01:26:45] okay [01:26:56] yeah [01:26:57] but if he's on vacation i don't know i [01:26:59] have no idea future i mean did he ask [01:27:01] you guys to take vacation [01:27:06] whatever i i'm at this point just want [01:27:08] to make sure that somebody has a [01:27:10] business or something right if there's [01:27:12] business to be dealt with i just want to [01:27:14] make sure there's an avenue for people [01:27:15] to deal with it [01:27:30] i've been on the sidewalk [01:27:43] you're gonna have it this wednesday next [01:27:46] it was this wednesday which was fine [01:27:53] by yourself [01:27:56] anything else in the round table [01:28:09] at 7 28.