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Hardwick Board Addresses Fiscal, Franchise, and Administrative Matters

Original title: Hardwick, MA Board of Selectmen Meeting 7/11/22

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Meeting details

Date

July 12, 2022

Duration

1h 46m

Decisions

9 recorded

Action Items

27 assigned

Summary

The Hardwick Board of Selectmen convened to address several critical municipal matters. Key discussions included the approval of significant end-of-year budget transfers for Fiscal Year 2022 and an extensive review of the Comcast cable franchise agreement, focusing on unserved areas, courtesy services, and potential fee adjustments. The Board also deliberated on the Zen Acres Host Community Agreement, emphasizing legal considerations and public concerns. Administrative actions involved approving various police department appointments, tabling general appointments for further review, and establishing a process for the Town Administrator's performance review. Additionally, the Board set a deadline for ARPA funding requests, discussed PFAS regulations, and formally reorganized its leadership positions.

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Discussion Highlights

End-of-year budget transfers for Fiscal Year 2022 were discussed to modernize accounting and address overspending.
The Comcast franchise agreement renewal process involved identifying 7 unserved properties (4 residential, 3 commercial) and discussing service extension costs.
Comcast proposed the town contribute $14,760 towards a $24,600 residential build-out, but a board member opposed town financial contribution.
The town has received Comcast franchise fees for 10 years, used for equipment updates, with a significant amount believed to be available in the PEG access account.
A federal "621 order" allows Comcast to deduct courtesy service costs from franchise fees, potentially impacting the town's $3,700 annual benefit from free cable to town facilities.
Concern was raised about a $52,000 annual cost for the PEG access channel, which is not fully utilized.
Discussion occurred regarding reducing the franchise fee from an unspecified rate (possibly 5%) to 3%.
Legal complexities of extending cable service to properties on town lines (e.g., Robinson's, Gun Club) were highlighted, including obtaining permission from other towns.
The proposed Comcast agreement includes cleaned-up language and a new "Competitive Equity" section, with the franchise fee percentage left blank.
The Zen Acres HCA applicant intends to resubmit a revised proposal removing "indoor grow" and "outdoor grow" components.
The town attorney advised that not signing the HCA could lead to the applicant appealing to a higher board, and that signing the HCA is good practice but not a prerequisite for the planning process.
Board members expressed concern about the Zen Acres applicant's reluctance to provide detailed plans (e.g., engineers, stamped plans) early in the process.
Discussion on the Agricultural Preservation Restriction (APR) role and perceived inconsistencies in their regulations regarding outbuildings and concrete floors for cultivation.
The board discussed the legal implications of not signing a Host Community Agreement (HCA), noting that valid concerns must be legally sound (e.g., odor, traffic, lighting) rather than personal opinions.
A contract for the removal and installation of Town House fuel tanks was discussed, noting smaller tank sizes are acceptable for intermittent use and the Fire Chief confirmed responsibility for tank cutting.
An outdated list of appointments and reappointments was reviewed, with some individuals not reappointed since 2017.
The role of "Melanson" (Assistant Town Clerk/liaison) was questioned regarding its nature as a board member or service role.
Randall Noble and Ann will continue as bellringer and assistant, respectively.
Concerns were raised about the number of members on the Townhouse Advisory Committee potentially exceeding bylaw limits.
Departments need to submit requests for American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funding, with only Water and Fire Departments having requests on file.
The Town Administrator's one-year review process was discussed, emphasizing a private, confidential conversation between the Select Board and the Town Administrator.
Employee performance reviews, specifically for Nicole, were discussed, focusing on incorporating annual goals, using templates, and achieving board consensus.
Confidential mediation with USDA is ongoing, with final mediation expected soon after the Historical Commission's sign-off on the pump station location.
The town audit is ongoing, with the complete management letter and final version from Powers & Sullivan expected soon.
Employee wage increases to match rates in other communities were discussed, noted as a "wash" for the town due to reimbursement.
MassDEP is holding a briefing for public water systems on new US EPA health advisories for PFAS, with current regulations being enforced and the water system reportedly "barely over" or "over" limits.
A planning committee needs to be appointed to update the Open Space & Recreation Plan for grant eligibility.
The Municipal Vulnerability Preparedness (MVP) plan has been completed and submitted, expected to make the town eligible for grants.
Carol Riches, a former Town Administrator, will start as an interim assistant on July 18th, focusing initially on organizing and completing meeting minutes.
DESE has approved the school's full budget to be disbursed on a 1/12th basis, requiring the School Committee to submit a revised budget.
A local business is struggling, prompting the board to explore available grants or programs for assistance.
The Select Board discussed the annual reorganization, confirming it is required by law and should involve a collective vote.
Concerns were raised about the state's push to extend and potentially mandate virtual (Zoom) meeting options through December 2023, citing logistical, staffing, and audio quality challenges for smaller towns.

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Change with an update to eunice it was uh some modernizing accounting it was like 2016 or something like that but that's only a certain time of the year correct at the end of the year right i wasn't sure we could do it after the
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End of the year though well yes because up until the 15th before july 15th average until 50 right close out the previous year so we do this every year prior to the life of people to clean up the previous year but we typically don't lose salary accounts that's why if there's money in them
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Well highway always highways always use this on snow and ice and stuff like that moving around so it's perfectly available so i'm just looking at the items that we're moving
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Is want to look at who has excess money of course make sure that yeah yeah you don't do that yeah this isn't something this isn't like completely ideal this is what you have to do you know when things are overspent but you know you want to make sure that and that's why health insurance was so
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Over-budgeted because that has probably vacancies maybe yeah and most people that that they account for i know we try to
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Health insurance no i'm fine as well
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Well i guess i would ask the question since this is a public televised meeting there's a lot of folks that don't have the information so maybe it gets hurt
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We going to do the motion as a joint or is finance going to make the recommendation and then all right why don't we i i i'll read them cheryl but are you guys going to are they going to make promotion first are we going to that's fine yeah typically the the committee makes their their votes on it and we vote on it but

[00:00:00] change um [00:00:01] with an update to eunice it was uh some [00:00:03] modernizing accounting it was like 2016 [00:00:06] or something like that [00:00:09] but that's only a certain time of the [00:00:11] year correct at the end of the year [00:00:12] right [00:00:17] i wasn't sure we could do it after the [00:00:19] end of the year though well yes because [00:00:21] up until the 15th before july 15th [00:00:23] average until 50 right close out the [00:00:26] previous year so we do this every year [00:00:28] prior to the life of people to clean up [00:00:30] the previous year but we typically don't [00:00:32] lose salary accounts that's why if [00:00:35] there's money in them [00:00:39] well highway always highways always use [00:00:42] this on snow and ice and stuff like that [00:00:44] moving around so it's perfectly [00:00:46] available [00:00:51] so i'm just looking at the items that [00:00:53] we're moving [00:01:10] is want to look at who has excess money [00:01:13] of course make sure that [00:01:16] yeah yeah you don't do that yeah this [00:01:18] isn't something this isn't like [00:01:20] completely ideal this is what you have [00:01:22] to do you know when things are overspent [00:01:24] but [00:01:25] you know you want to make sure that and [00:01:27] that's why health insurance was so [00:01:28] over-budgeted [00:01:30] because that has probably vacancies [00:01:32] maybe yeah and most people that [00:01:34] that they account for [00:01:39] i know we try to [00:01:46] health insurance [00:01:54] no i'm fine as well [00:02:11] well i guess i would ask the question um [00:02:14] since this is a public [00:02:16] televised meeting there's a lot of folks [00:02:18] that don't have the information so maybe [00:02:20] it gets hurt [00:02:34] we going to do the motion as a joint or [00:02:36] is finance going to make the [00:02:37] recommendation and then [00:02:39] all right why don't we i i [00:02:42] i'll read them cheryl but are you guys [00:02:44] going to are they going to make [00:02:45] promotion first are we going to that's [00:02:47] fine [00:02:48] yeah [00:02:48] typically the the committee makes their [00:02:50] their votes on it and we vote on it but [00:02:52] if they want to make a motion to accept [00:02:54] it and you can promotion to accept it as [00:02:57] printed [00:02:59] my second thought [00:03:11] so [00:03:12] i make a motion that we approve the [00:03:14] following end of year budget transfers [00:03:16] for fiscal year 2022 from board of [00:03:18] health salary 13 390 to street lighting [00:03:22] expense [00:03:23] court health expense [00:03:27] 86.33 to street lighting expense and my [00:03:30] glasses keep going board of health [00:03:32] clerks 788.60 [00:03:34] to street lighting expense collector [00:03:36] wages 18204.03 [00:03:40] to collector expense water expense [00:03:45] cents for 3538.1650 [00:03:47] water expense seventh thousand one [00:03:49] hundred eighty five dollars to municipal [00:03:51] building expense veterans expense [00:03:52] seventeen hundred dollars to fire labor [00:03:55] wages veterans expense two hundred [00:03:56] dollars to animal inspector [00:03:58] expense veterans expense one thousand [00:04:01] one hundred thirty five dollars eighty [00:04:02] eight cents to worcester retirement [00:04:04] veterans expense ten thousand dollars to [00:04:06] medicare [00:04:07] page library expenses 438.10 [00:04:28] health insurance two thousand three [00:04:30] hundred sixty four dollars twelve cents [00:04:31] to medicare health insurance seventeen [00:04:33] thousand dollars to iet services health [00:04:36] insurance seven thousand five hundred [00:04:38] dollars to town administrative wages and [00:04:40] health insurance 2500 for life insurance [00:04:43] for a total of 105 [00:04:45] 235 dollars and 32 cents transfer [00:04:49] seconded [00:04:50] all those in favor hi hi [00:04:53] do you want two side copies or just just [00:04:56] one [00:04:57] take our copy yep there we go [00:05:00] i would like a copy of it [00:05:04] okay [00:05:05] i wonder if rob thought we started at 6 [00:05:07] 30 [00:05:09] is there anything else that [00:05:11] nope [00:05:12] all right why don't we move our meeting [00:05:14] elsewhere [00:05:17] thank you guys [00:05:19] do you want to go take a copy of this [00:05:20] now or do you want to wait until rob is [00:05:35] sam do you want to take a copy of it i [00:05:37] was going to do it for sure well here if [00:05:38] you need this though oh yeah yeah [00:05:40] and then you just want to leave it in [00:05:42] the box [00:05:43] yeah absolutely in my in the selectmen [00:05:45] box [00:05:45] thank you [00:05:48] okay [00:05:49] eileen [00:05:50] you want to come on up [00:05:54] so the next thing i'm jumping to is the [00:05:56] comcast cable renewal this binder looks [00:05:59] a little intimidating [00:06:03] nicely yeah [00:06:09] so you have the binder so in the binder [00:06:11] is um [00:06:13] our initial [00:06:14] franchise which you guys would review [00:06:17] and if you have any edits to it or a [00:06:19] question you know we'll make those edits [00:06:21] and [00:06:22] come to a full agreement um [00:06:25] i did [00:06:26] give it a call last week and went over [00:06:29] um [00:06:29] there have been some questions about the [00:06:31] unserved areas in town and the costumer [00:06:33] so so my engineers from construction [00:06:35] went out looked at those areas [00:06:37] and there are seven areas in town [00:06:39] there's seven properties in town that [00:06:41] don't have service they're not served [00:06:43] right now [00:06:45] they are [00:06:53] there's two residential passings on air [00:06:56] road [00:06:56] they're 22 53 and 26 41 all the way at [00:07:00] the end right almost to the [00:07:02] robinsons [00:07:03] their visit i'm guessing [00:07:05] yeah they're presidential and then [00:07:06] there's one commercial on that road [00:07:09] um at 2626 period yeah and then there's [00:07:13] two residential it's actually one home [00:07:15] it's 874 [00:07:18] petrol hollow road a and b [00:07:20] and those are all those are the four [00:07:22] residential properties [00:07:24] and there's 874 contra hollow ones [00:07:28] served or they don't have service we [00:07:31] have in his own belt [00:07:34] i don't know because greenwich road is [00:07:36] built and 1276 is built [00:07:39] i only know that because we worked in [00:07:41] that office [00:07:47] i bet it stopped at us and then didn't [00:07:49] come down from the other end [00:07:51] yep [00:07:53] and then there's a commercial [00:07:55] two but it's the same address it's 145 [00:07:57] cleveland world a b [00:07:59] and there's two yeah that's the uh [00:08:02] kisses oh is that the gun club if that's [00:08:05] the commercial road [00:08:08] oh no barefoot i think was the kind of [00:08:09] club riding road is a lumber [00:08:14] so [00:08:15] the cost for the residential [00:08:17] builds is [00:08:33] uh twenty four thousand six hundred [00:08:34] dollars for those [00:08:36] four passes [00:08:39] and what comcast would recommend or what [00:08:41] we would propose what we would do is [00:08:43] um if the town paid fourteen thousand [00:08:45] seven hundred sixty dollars we'd [00:08:46] contribute the rest of that [00:08:48] and build up those four addresses within [00:08:51] three years of signing of the contract [00:08:53] and it could most likely be sooner but [00:08:55] three years is always what we say [00:08:56] because we have no control over make [00:08:58] ready and you know how make ready it was [00:08:59] at the mbi it's even worse yeah my [00:09:01] personal opinion is the town's not [00:09:03] paying for anything okay and that's and [00:09:04] then because when i'm going to tell you [00:09:06] why because i fought and i fought with [00:09:08] you and i thought [00:09:10] with ann kobe and i fought with everyone [00:09:12] else [00:09:13] and [00:09:14] we did not pay for anyone to get served [00:09:17] on the last bill [00:09:19] and the one woman that kept [00:09:57] put in a build they don't meet the [00:09:58] density requirement under the [00:10:01] contract so that's why it would fall on [00:10:04] we found the homeowners they they've [00:10:06] never reached out to us and i don't [00:10:07] think i don't have any history of them i [00:10:09] know that i was familiar with some [00:10:10] actresses in the town who would reach [00:10:11] out to me during the mbi build you know [00:10:14] the town can use you've gotten franchise [00:10:16] beam on for 10 years and i don't know [00:10:18] what i know you guys updated your [00:10:20] equipment in this room [00:10:22] um i you know i was kind of doing the [00:10:24] math [00:10:25] and i think there's [00:10:27] you should have probably have a [00:10:28] significant amount of money in there i [00:10:29] guess so you could use that money but [00:10:31] obviously it's up to the town and you [00:10:32] know that was important to you and that [00:10:33] was the users get built that a portion [00:10:36] of that fee um so i know you talked [00:10:38] about you know we could go up on it but [00:10:40] i'm certainly not going to look at going [00:10:41] up on any [00:10:42] one's personal invoice and these are my [00:10:45] thoughts you guys can find that at any [00:10:46] point um [00:10:50] and it was super frustrating to try to [00:10:52] get and [00:10:54] of those nine towns turned out we didn't [00:10:56] build anybody 200 if anybody who did get [00:10:58] 200 paid for it i understand that so not [00:11:01] just so i just really think i'm treating [00:11:02] you guys different fighting for for [00:11:05] residents no i totally understand but i [00:11:07] can tell you that [00:11:09] and of those mbi towns we haven't the [00:11:11] ones i've renewed since we've both come [00:11:13] out we haven't paid for any [00:11:15] any additional homes so we haven't so [00:11:18] there's that is that's something to that [00:11:19] we're doing here that we're agreeing to [00:11:21] take on some of the bird example but [00:11:23] um but i know that was something that [00:11:24] was important guys so i wanted to make [00:11:25] sure i got that information too um the [00:11:28] other thing i don't know if you [00:11:30] compared the draft with the current [00:11:32] franchise but [00:11:34] courtesy accounts have been taken out [00:11:36] but i will put them back in but [00:11:39] because there's a there's an order [00:11:40] called the 621 order on the federal [00:11:42] government so [00:11:43] um [00:11:44] and comcast isn't doing this right now [00:11:45] we haven't done it yet but the order [00:11:47] says that we can [00:11:48] take the cost of the courtesy services [00:11:50] and deduct that from your franchisee [00:11:52] that you're getting from the town so [00:11:54] what we've been doing when we're [00:11:55] negotiating we just take it out and let [00:11:56] the towns know that we will put it back [00:11:58] in and there'll be language in there [00:12:00] saying that should [00:12:02] comcast go forward on the 621 order that [00:12:04] becomes something that happens [00:12:06] that we will um if you notice and then [00:12:08] you guys can say no i don't want to [00:12:09] produce accounts cancel and pay for [00:12:10] yourself or have it [00:12:13] so can you just explain that a little [00:12:14] bit more so six to one order it's just [00:12:16] the the federal government there's a [00:12:18] lawsuit up in like oregon or somewhere [00:12:21] they came out this order saying that [00:12:23] um courtesy services should be account [00:12:25] should be counted against your uh [00:12:27] franchise date [00:12:29] so the franchise being hearing [00:12:31] what is the courtesy [00:12:32] so you have like courtesy of free cable [00:12:35] and a number of town halls that you get [00:12:36] like it's over [00:12:49] we don't have cable [00:12:59] and so [00:13:00] you know annually [00:13:01] it's about a 30 almost 3 700 benefit to [00:13:04] the town [00:13:05] that even if we're not using it yeah [00:13:07] because they're active there's active [00:13:08] accounts they're out we have all active [00:13:10] accounts and [00:13:11] town hall the youth center rescue squad [00:13:13] the elementary school delights [00:13:15] the rescue squad doesn't even exist [00:13:17] anymore and it's not a public it's not a [00:13:19] town owned building so this is something [00:13:21] like [00:13:21] maybe under the former franchise [00:13:23] somebody had asked for us to put it in [00:13:24] there so it was put in there so somebody [00:13:25] requested the service and it was put [00:13:27] there [00:13:27] so i told the code let me know what's [00:13:29] what accounts are no longer existing [00:13:41] it's for cable [00:18:33] just facing the last franchise fee [00:18:35] payment because this always fluctuates [00:18:37] there's no it's not gonna be the same [00:18:38] number but [00:18:40] based on the last check you got it would [00:18:42] have been um [00:18:44] thirteen thousand [00:18:45] annually if we go to five [00:18:49] um [00:18:50] no we calculated only [00:18:52] over the ten years [00:18:55] it would be 537 thousand yeah [00:18:58] number five yeah [00:19:01] but this is just a credit [00:19:03] with a comcast the town doesn't actually [00:19:06] no you get a check for it [00:19:17] it's like if you have a peg it's used [00:19:19] for some towns that have like a peg [00:19:21] studio pays equipment it pays salary and [00:19:23] pays production so it there's the [00:19:26] purpose of it is that we're funding it [00:19:27] you're hoping to find a peg access [00:19:28] studio so [00:19:30] and it can be used for people related [00:19:32] needs so we can't go and put build new [00:19:33] roads with it [00:19:36] so yeah so based on the last [00:19:39] check would have been thirteen thousand [00:19:40] so the difference would have been [00:19:43] yeah so like we did the math and um [00:19:47] so your last check was ten ten thousand [00:19:49] seven hundred fifty dollars it would [00:19:50] have been thirteen so i think the [00:19:51] difference would have been two thousand [00:19:53] six hundred and eighty seven dollars and [00:19:54] how often do we get those checks [00:19:55] quarterly okay so or does that answer [00:19:57] your question yeah [00:19:59] it's just it's like fifty two thousand [00:20:01] dollars a year i'm just stuck [00:20:03] we should [00:20:05] charge our taxpayers any more money [00:20:07] i can't use right that's what i can't i [00:20:10] would actually go to three percent i i i [00:20:13] would actually agree with you and it's [00:20:15] lower [00:20:16] you know and if [00:20:19] we really don't use the stuff much [00:20:20] because we're not we're not big enough [00:20:22] to [00:20:23] try to maintain right now and i think [00:20:25] even three percent if down the road we [00:20:27] wanted to [00:20:29] revisit the peg access channel then we [00:20:31] could you know see what we have for [00:20:33] funding [00:20:36] so based on the last check the last base [00:20:39] in the glass [00:20:59] yeah so 32 000 times 10 to 320 thousand [00:21:02] dollars [00:21:03] roughly i mean [00:21:12] okay [00:21:13] somewhere around 300 for percent and [00:21:15] then around yeah 500 for five percent [00:21:18] yeah [00:21:19] and we're not we don't have to vote on [00:21:20] any of this tonight [00:21:22] this is food for thought i believe yeah [00:21:24] because you've missed your jobs i have [00:21:26] not read them you have to right no this [00:21:29] was all just in front of us tonight um [00:21:32] so we just [00:21:33] we have to sign and agree on something [00:21:36] what's the [00:21:37] remind me of the date again i mean uh [00:21:39] october october 30th october 29th okay [00:21:48] i know that [00:21:54] so this gives us [00:21:56] so just so i so you're thinking of [00:21:58] decreasing your act your franchise fee [00:22:01] okay [00:22:02] um you want the language for the peg [00:22:04] studio [00:22:05] in there because i can update that make [00:22:07] sense [00:22:08] just as an option and you want the [00:22:10] courtesy services but you're going to [00:22:11] review the list and let me know what [00:22:12] ones you guys want in there or not [00:22:17] and you don't think you guys want to go [00:22:18] forward with build out or you don't know [00:22:20] you're still thinking about it i think [00:22:21] that's going to come down okay yeah all [00:22:23] right yeah [00:22:25] yeah and that's fine yeah of course yeah [00:22:28] well i mean [00:22:30] i get it i'm just stubborn well no i'm [00:22:31] just wondering if we should just reach [00:22:33] out to the [00:22:35] residents so my thing is [00:22:37] but it's it's not whether they want them [00:22:40] if [00:22:40] if the properties change hands or you [00:22:43] know people that are there pass away [00:22:45] if they don't have access to it to me [00:22:48] that's not a selling point so in my mind [00:22:51] i think the whole town should be able to [00:22:53] get service [00:22:55] whether they want it or not [00:22:58] it should be serviceable it is in [00:23:00] commercial businesses [00:23:08] you know and they may be doing other [00:23:10] things can we reach out to them and ask [00:23:12] them what they're doing [00:23:14] robinson's and who's that 2626 barriers [00:23:19] the good club brought [00:23:34] can they do that can you do that yeah in [00:23:36] some situations they'll let you do that [00:23:37] that's right on the line you have to get [00:23:39] permission from but they would have [00:23:41] whoever and who services their partner [00:23:43] so charlie would have had to reach out [00:23:46] to [00:23:47] yeah what they own on both [00:23:48] sides right timeline yeah but i think [00:23:51] part of both businesses is actually in [00:23:53] barrie oh so if they have their [00:23:54] properties if it has a very address and [00:23:57] they could be certain obama charter if [00:23:58] not just a matter of just getting [00:24:00] permission like we would have to request [00:24:01] permission from [00:24:03] if we came into server talent served by [00:24:05] charter we have to get permission from [00:24:06] that town to allow us to do it because [00:24:07] you know and then you have to give them [00:24:08] a limited franchise so you have to go [00:24:10] through the franchising process [00:24:12] because by law you have to franchise [00:24:13] provide cable service [00:24:15] so [00:24:16] that they could and you know we have [00:24:18] some of the smaller towns like you know [00:24:20] um lake tahoe is a pretty good example [00:24:22] of that because father loki now the [00:24:24] towns around and where [00:24:26] we're just putting that now but there's [00:24:27] other [00:24:28] communities that it just makes more [00:24:29] sense for them to serve [00:24:32] and the other issue becomes like an e911 [00:24:34] issue [00:24:35] just because where your phones are being [00:24:37] routed to you've made sure that [00:24:40] 911 works and everything so there's a [00:24:41] lot of things you have to look at when [00:24:42] they're doing that but they could i [00:24:44] don't know i know they didn't have [00:24:46] services [00:24:48] yeah i mean the berry the south berry [00:24:50] run good has [00:24:52] the pavilion i think is in very in the [00:24:55] like the bar buildings and [00:24:57] hardwick [00:24:58] right so they could give them their [00:25:00] liquor license right [00:25:03] or maybe it's the other way around i [00:25:04] don't know [00:25:05] but yeah they possibly could something [00:25:08] could be non-issue for them i don't know [00:25:10] um [00:25:14] and those are the residentials um [00:25:16] i'm guessing they're set pretty far back [00:25:18] and kind of off a little bit [00:25:20] yeah [00:25:21] um what was it so it was uh pedro hollow [00:25:25] yep and bear [00:25:54] right [00:26:04] and again he could be [00:26:07] the only few things [00:26:22] because i'm sure [00:26:25] noble doesn't care [00:26:30] again i just feel like foreign [00:26:38] last time the cable [00:26:40] broadband went through this car oh yes [00:26:42] we did so are you going to resurrect [00:26:44] that [00:26:45] again [00:26:57] yeah um so [00:27:00] we ne the brideband committee actually i [00:27:02] don't believe voted on or reviewed the [00:27:05] last one [00:27:06] we fought for [00:27:08] residences and we fought for houses but [00:27:10] the board [00:27:11] voted on the renewal [00:27:13] um [00:27:15] we can certainly i mean i i can [00:27:17] certainly send them all an email and see [00:27:19] if they want to read it [00:27:23] yeah you guys have the issue with the [00:27:24] journey so you have to say that yeah [00:27:26] yeah [00:27:27] i just didn't know [00:27:29] what happened last time we did not we [00:27:32] didn't [00:27:33] okay i know we just we did the leg work [00:27:35] and made sure people get serviced [00:27:40] we put a lot of miles on our hometown [00:27:43] yeah [00:27:46] big project yeah um that was a big one [00:27:53] so just i guess just timing wise just to [00:27:55] be cognizant like i know it's october [00:27:57] but october comes really fast absolutely [00:27:59] i would say september that we have a [00:28:01] that we need and what we have to do is [00:28:02] once we come to an agreement then we [00:28:04] have to [00:28:05] edit the franchise and then i don't know [00:28:07] if you have an attorney who would use it [00:28:09] or i don't know if your renewal [00:28:10] processes we do have town council so [00:28:13] um so then that's sometimes which [00:28:16] obviously they have a review but then i [00:28:17] don't know how long they take to do [00:28:18] stuff too so we have to kind of factor [00:28:19] all that into theirs do you have this in [00:28:22] a digital [00:28:23] format because we could have them start [00:28:25] looking at it now yeah i can send it to [00:28:27] you [00:28:29] right yeah i would say [00:28:36] and then you can just [00:28:38] say the [00:28:39] few changes that we're looking at [00:28:42] see what they think [00:28:44] yeah i think those are all the changes [00:28:46] it's pretty it's almost i would say it's [00:28:48] pretty much the same franchise you have [00:28:50] now [00:28:50] there's just no franchise to elicit [00:28:52] because i didn't know what you guys were [00:28:54] looking for or where that was out there [00:28:56] like the percentage yeah that's why i [00:28:57] just left that blank but you know the [00:28:59] language is in there that will obviously [00:29:00] understand that [00:29:02] and um [00:29:04] some of the sections have been cleaned [00:29:05] up so there's fewer words and they're [00:29:07] more you know [00:29:08] more condensed [00:29:14] and section 2.6 which i think is [00:29:18] kind of the old one it's [00:29:23] 2.6 [00:29:24] yeah so that's new language it replaces [00:29:30] each type [00:29:32] section [00:29:35] so [00:29:36] it used to be called non-exclusivity of [00:29:38] the license now it's called competitive [00:29:40] equity so it's a different title and the [00:29:42] language is a little bit different [00:29:44] so that's another one [00:29:45] competitive equity that's yeah because [00:29:47] so that's just enough you know but [00:29:49] that's really the only other meat that's [00:29:50] like the only major change [00:29:55] but the the density requirements the [00:29:57] same [00:30:02] oh and the peg stuff is the adding of [00:30:04] return line isn't in there but i'll add [00:30:06] it [00:30:23] and the other thing you can do and i [00:30:24] don't know if it makes sense or not i [00:30:26] mean [00:30:27] so if you didn't want to pay for it in [00:30:29] one lump sum you can you can just deduct [00:30:32] it from the franchise pizza you want to [00:30:33] get a quarterly payment until [00:30:35] that amount of money was paid off or you [00:30:37] can just listen to whatever you want [00:30:40] that's more of a counting thing for a [00:30:41] tab okay okay yeah sometimes they want [00:30:44] you i don't know for the residential yep [00:30:46] yeah [00:30:51] would they do the commercial properties [00:30:54] if we paid for it though oh absolutely [00:30:57] so but you're only willing to do 40 of [00:30:59] the residential right [00:31:02] yeah commercial [00:31:04] and what was that it didn't i heard 55 [00:31:06] 000 but the numbers didn't add up so [00:31:08] that would be 2626 barry wrote [00:31:12] you gave us 8 600 and 145 cleveland [00:31:15] wrote a and b [00:31:16] is it [00:31:28] that's the commercial residential [00:31:29] together [00:31:40] your contribution would be 14 7 right [00:31:42] 60. for just residential it's 24 6 as a [00:31:45] total [00:31:46] but to do it all but to do everything it [00:31:48] would be in the 50s yeah we would we'd [00:31:50] still pay our what we said we would pay [00:31:52] on the residential side [00:31:56] is there anything else i'm trying to [00:31:58] think no [00:32:04] then it would be 100 built [00:32:12] yep so i will um i'll send you the [00:32:17] digital version of the um the franchise [00:32:19] but i'm going to update some of it that [00:32:21] i know we are agreeing to so it'll [00:32:22] already be in there like the peg [00:32:24] language and i'll put the courtesy [00:32:26] services back in there so at least [00:32:27] that's fine people start reviewing it so [00:32:29] that it's as close to close to what it's [00:32:32] going to be rather than you know just [00:32:33] have yeah it just makes sense because if [00:32:35] they look at all that and then they just [00:32:36] see a couple of changes at the end yeah [00:32:39] that will be quick yeah and those and [00:32:41] i'll do them in red line so they'll be [00:32:42] perfect so you'll have to have that so [00:32:45] that would be helpful [00:32:46] yeah no problem hopefully i'll get it to [00:32:48] you by maybe the end of this week or [00:32:50] probably next week [00:32:53] all right thank you so much comes up let [00:32:55] me know all right all right thank you [00:32:58] thanks for the time [00:33:02] okay [00:33:04] so funny [00:33:05] two years ago [00:33:07] every ten years i was like [00:33:09] right [00:33:10] visitor comments [00:33:14] have you heard from zen acres since the [00:33:16] last meeting [00:33:18] i have [00:33:20] what you do here [00:33:23] the applicant would like to [00:33:26] put the hca in front of the board again [00:33:29] taking out um indoor grow [00:33:32] and [00:33:33] retail i mean outdoor growing sorry [00:33:36] and that they [00:33:37] there's maybe some [00:33:39] um [00:33:41] some rumors going around that they could [00:33:43] possibly sell to like a horse farm or [00:33:46] something like that but the applicant [00:33:48] said they have [00:33:49] no [00:33:50] they they indicated that they have no [00:33:52] desire [00:33:53] or [00:33:54] thoughts about selling and this is what [00:33:56] they want to do on that parcel [00:34:02] so i have a question if if the sound [00:34:04] decides they don't want to sign the host [00:34:08] or the repercussions [00:34:09] um so i asked our attorney [00:34:13] you know all of the options and [00:34:16] she said [00:34:17] if they don't sign it the applicant [00:34:19] could potentially just walk away [00:34:22] or [00:34:23] appeal [00:34:24] to [00:34:25] a higher board maybe the zba or [00:34:27] something [00:34:28] or the state [00:34:31] to still go through [00:34:33] with the [00:34:34] zoning [00:34:37] process [00:34:39] where are they one issue so [00:34:42] they the town the the state requires [00:34:44] that the town signs that post community [00:34:47] agreement as well as goes to the [00:34:49] planning process it doesn't have to be [00:34:51] one way or the other [00:34:52] it's always a good idea to have your [00:34:54] host community agreement signed it looks [00:34:56] good to the state it's not required i [00:34:58] thought they had to have the host [00:35:00] community agreement before they could [00:35:02] move forward to the planning board [00:35:04] and that's not my understanding that [00:35:06] they they just need it to send to the [00:35:08] state [00:35:10] so they just need to go through all [00:35:11] their local processes and then send it [00:35:13] to the state [00:35:14] is it in our planning board bylaws i [00:35:17] don't know [00:35:19] because i i guess i was i've been i [00:35:21] don't know and i don't think that it's [00:35:22] on their agenda at all i don't think [00:35:24] that they're thinking about moving [00:35:25] forward with the planning board [00:35:30] so in the past they haven't even [00:35:32] entertained unless we've signed a host [00:35:34] community agreement yeah right well i [00:35:36] mean it's clearly gonna [00:35:38] um so what we're asking our town council [00:35:41] is what the legal ramifications are if [00:35:44] we don't sign it [00:35:46] that's the question really on the table [00:35:48] right now yeah so [00:35:50] the attorney said [00:35:52] what are the [00:35:53] what are the um [00:35:55] the concerns [00:35:57] and if the concerns are [00:36:00] noise smell odor anything like that [00:36:03] and then they provide you with odor [00:36:05] mitigation or a traffic pattern or [00:36:08] whatever the case may be [00:36:10] then that issue is potentially answered [00:36:14] i guess um being at the [00:36:16] meetings [00:36:18] uh they haven't really answered any [00:36:20] questions from the public [00:36:22] in my opinion in full [00:36:24] i will agree or clearly [00:36:26] because they don't they keep saying they [00:36:28] don't want to take that next step to [00:36:29] higher because i don't want to spend the [00:36:30] money on trying to get there until they [00:36:31] get there but they're not answering our [00:36:33] questions [00:36:34] so that's a huge concern [00:36:37] and speaking for myself oh i would agree [00:36:38] will hardly speak yeah [00:36:40] yeah and there's a lot of meetings [00:36:43] yeah probably [00:36:44] legitimate reason for not signing a host [00:36:46] community right agreement if you if [00:36:48] they're you know it's so questionable [00:36:50] enough in the air [00:36:51] but they [00:36:52] they still the applicant still wants to [00:36:54] put the host community agreement in [00:36:56] front of you and i have it in my report [00:36:57] for obviously because i spoke with [00:36:59] nicole [00:37:01] whether we have to ask whether you have [00:37:03] to ask town council [00:37:05] or not is that if they if the town [00:37:07] decides the board decides not to sign it [00:37:11] does it leave as a whole and go to some [00:37:13] other entity to vote on the zoning board [00:37:16] side [00:37:17] and does it is it go as a whole away for [00:37:19] somebody else to decide or does it just [00:37:22] go away for the host community agreement [00:37:23] portion of it and then it comes back to [00:37:25] the town so it sounds like [00:37:27] they could appeal [00:37:29] and try to go to the next you know so it [00:37:32] would be the planning board sure they [00:37:33] need their special permit next [00:37:36] so maybe they appeal it sounds like what [00:37:38] nicole learned from nicole who is our [00:37:40] attorney too so that might be confusing [00:37:43] but she said they could appeal [00:37:46] which is fine and then they do their [00:37:47] appeal process and then whatever that [00:37:49] decision is [00:37:50] and then it would come back to the town [00:37:53] zoning board yes or that would leave [00:37:56] and make some other entity vote on the [00:37:58] zoning also [00:38:00] i guess that's my question that if i [00:38:02] make if i'm clear is that basically [00:38:04] pretty standalone [00:38:06] the town says or the board says we're [00:38:08] not interested in assigning a host [00:38:09] community agreement they appeal it [00:38:11] it goes somewhere else they get voted on [00:38:14] or decided on [00:38:15] and [00:38:16] they say yes or no and that then the [00:38:18] decision comes back to [00:38:21] the town planning board to have their [00:38:24] their meetings and their um judgment [00:38:27] right and at that point now they have to [00:38:29] hire engineers they have to have [00:38:32] standard plans [00:38:33] so now at this point they need to start [00:38:36] spending money and it's still no [00:38:37] guarantee yeah [00:38:39] and does api ever come out and speak up [00:38:41] to it at this point i know they sent the [00:38:43] letter but can they ever come out [00:38:45] because i i mean i found some [00:38:46] information that somebody was actually [00:38:48] interested in [00:38:49] that property and and the response that [00:38:51] they got through apr which i thought was [00:38:53] most ridiculous i never heard in my life [00:38:55] but again i'm not a farmer and i'm not [00:38:57] on apr but they wanted to build some [00:38:59] outbuildings [00:39:00] and they could build the outbuildings [00:39:01] but apr tell them they could not build [00:39:03] them with concrete force [00:39:06] on that property [00:39:07] so they cannot build [00:39:09] an outbuilding with a concrete floor we [00:39:10] can put up 12-foot retaining walls and [00:39:13] 16 buildings and all this concrete to [00:39:16] grow marijuana [00:39:18] so there's a lot of unclear yeah [00:39:20] somebody's not answering they're not [00:39:22] making sense but right [00:39:25] right [00:39:26] so i that's why i think at some point i [00:39:28] don't know how that happens that [00:39:30] somebody from apr that could actually [00:39:32] answer a question straight or common [00:39:34] sense maybe [00:39:35] maybe they could appear at one of their [00:39:36] meetings maybe it would be [00:39:38] who with them or for the town but i [00:39:39] think a lot of [00:39:40] people it's really on them it's on them [00:39:42] to keep providing the information [00:39:45] um yeah they're the applicant right and [00:39:48] it's their private property yeah [00:39:50] so i mean to me it just seems crazy i [00:39:52] mean maybe [00:39:53] the town could ask somebody from apr to [00:39:55] come out for questions at maybe one of [00:39:57] these meetings because when i heard that [00:39:59] my doesn't sound it makes the most [00:40:01] ridiculous thing i ever heard in my life [00:40:02] but [00:40:03] yeah [00:40:04] yeah i'll just put common sense [00:40:07] yeah and that's not really the [00:40:09] jurisdiction of the board either [00:40:11] this is just [00:40:12] that you'll allow it in the town [00:40:15] to me that's that would be amazing that [00:40:16] would be a planning board [00:40:18] if anything [00:40:21] if they were going to think about [00:40:22] issuing a special permit [00:40:25] so i guess if we could get some [00:40:26] clarification just to say that [00:40:28] if it came down to saying [00:40:30] that [00:40:31] the town of the board didn't want to [00:40:33] sign a house community agreement [00:40:35] and the only alternative was the whole [00:40:37] package went away for somebody else to [00:40:38] decide on it zoning and everything and [00:40:41] obviously i'd say we want to negotiate [00:40:43] and keep it home keep it at home to be [00:40:45] able to make those decisions not let [00:40:47] somebody from out of home or out i don't [00:40:50] think that it goes out of town no i [00:40:52] think it's it's a local yeah so only [00:40:54] that portion of it might go somewhere if [00:40:56] we if the town doesn't it'll all be [00:40:58] local it'll all be local it'll get [00:41:00] they'll get their local approvals before [00:41:02] they can go to the state [00:41:04] and if the state sees all the animosity [00:41:06] or you know what [00:41:08] they're not getting this signed or [00:41:09] they're not going through the planning [00:41:11] process properly maybe they wouldn't [00:41:13] issue but ultimately they're the ones to [00:41:15] issue the permits and to be honest with [00:41:16] you the state is also trying to take [00:41:18] away [00:41:19] the local [00:41:20] jurisdiction of the hcas [00:41:22] so there it might be a time where it [00:41:24] goes directly through this state anyway [00:41:29] but the attorney said [00:41:31] what are the concerns now clearly i [00:41:33] don't think she's ever been out here [00:41:34] right from boston [00:41:36] um but what are the concerns [00:41:38] maybe making sure so it's it's not [00:41:41] necessarily [00:41:42] it's it's um [00:41:44] you know not a personal opinion [00:41:46] of where it should go or or what it [00:41:48] looks like or what it could look like [00:41:50] right but what it is [00:41:52] um [00:41:53] you know [00:41:54] an illegal standpoint so she says you [00:41:56] know the concerns are again the [00:41:57] mitigation of odor or [00:41:59] or traffic or lighting then that's where [00:42:03] the applicant will [00:42:05] give their explanation for it [00:42:07] um [00:42:09] if it's because [00:42:10] they just don't want it there that's not [00:42:13] a legal reason to do it your personal [00:42:14] opinion cannot [00:42:17] go above [00:42:18] any of the mass general laws or the [00:42:20] local bylaws [00:42:23] so i guess when they come with the host [00:42:26] community agreement it will be some [00:42:27] input [00:42:28] from [00:42:31] so [00:42:32] that's why they have their outreach [00:42:33] meetings and that's why we go [00:42:36] so that we know that [00:42:38] so [00:42:39] it would it will have to be done very [00:42:42] delicately i will say that it can't be a [00:42:44] free-for-all no but i'm saying no the [00:42:46] meetings are there that's why they hold [00:42:48] them [00:42:49] um [00:42:50] and i think the board is fully aware of [00:42:53] what people's opinion of them coming in [00:42:56] is [00:42:58] we also like nicole said it can't just [00:43:01] be well i don't want it in my backyard [00:43:03] so we have to be legally responsible too [00:43:06] and [00:43:07] it's a fine line so they're gonna have [00:43:08] to have more meetings [00:43:10] well before [00:43:16] they can certainly come before us again [00:43:20] but until you feel comfortable with it [00:43:21] on the show exactly [00:43:23] exactly [00:43:24] you know i can't speak for yes no no but [00:43:27] it would go to vote and we'd have to [00:43:28] vote on it [00:43:31] we certainly know everybody's concerns [00:43:34] yeah no no [00:43:36] that's all i wanted right i get it [00:43:46] yeah they've had a real meeting in a [00:43:48] real set of documents [00:43:50] right not something you can't see on the [00:43:51] screen and then they don't provide it [00:43:53] and write it you know [00:43:54] where the body is coming from we've done [00:43:56] projects like this before go visit our [00:43:59] other projects the whole typical process [00:44:01] of right okay [00:44:04] that's [00:44:05] the one that they're gonna [00:44:15] and again i'm not against the process of [00:44:18] growing at all because obviously down [00:44:20] there there's places that's why they [00:44:21] have zoning [00:44:22] places to do these things places not to [00:44:24] do these things [00:44:25] again and that's not [00:44:27] in ours but all right that was it so did [00:44:29] you say that they're that they're going [00:44:30] to eliminate outdoor growing oh but [00:44:32] they're still looking at the 16 [00:44:35] yeah okay [00:44:36] will the planning board get the letter [00:44:38] that they sent to you [00:44:41] oh they know what's coming at them [00:44:45] i mean i didn't think about all it said [00:44:46] was that they have no intention of not [00:44:49] doing it there but i mean until the plan [00:44:52] until the planning board receives any [00:44:53] documents it's all speculation right [00:44:55] yeah right [00:44:57] until the post community agreement gets [00:44:58] signed correct then that's certain [00:44:59] extraordinary [00:45:01] yeah [00:45:03] i mean they didn't answer my questions [00:45:04] that you know or the questions that [00:45:07] people were asking to my to my [00:45:09] satisfaction i sat through both meetings [00:45:11] well [00:45:12] the second one not as long because of [00:45:13] the other meetings that we had to run up [00:45:15] to but you know [00:45:16] and i sat there and thought [00:45:20] they were not prepared either time [00:45:23] unfortunately [00:45:24] so i will agree yeah there's no question [00:45:29] they might think [00:45:30] all right we'll see [00:45:33] all right thanks [00:45:35] anyway okay gloria [00:45:38] got anything to add [00:45:40] no [00:45:41] you still you still like going to berry [00:45:43] and [00:45:44] everything good there five days a week [00:45:46] four hours a day [00:45:50] five years i'm starting your sixth year [00:45:54] you didn't want to go [00:46:01] we partnered with someone to give you [00:46:03] better yeah it is right right i agree [00:46:06] with you so it's very upset [00:46:08] you i i know and i'm happy to see that [00:46:11] you're still happy [00:46:26] i read their newsletter and their their [00:46:28] calendar [00:46:29] it's a lot good yeah [00:46:32] and she's out i mean he's always trying [00:46:34] to get more stuff more stealth [00:46:41] well yeah that's good to hear [00:46:44] okay um [00:46:46] how about the oil tank contract right [00:46:48] here perfect and do you want to add [00:46:50] anything or i mean [00:46:53] the oil tanks that are proposed in that [00:46:56] contract are smaller than what they have [00:46:59] in the building now [00:47:00] um [00:47:02] but the van came out and we imagined [00:47:04] thought he couldn't get to a [00:47:06] 175 gallon tanks [00:47:09] in around the corner and downstairs [00:47:12] and i checked with randy noble who was [00:47:15] around during the 1995 reconstruction [00:47:19] there used to be a shed on the townhouse [00:47:22] that was removed and then [00:47:25] the foundation was kind of opened up so [00:47:28] they could [00:47:29] put the cement in the elevator apparatus [00:47:32] and [00:47:34] they probably put the oil tanks [00:47:36] obviously [00:47:49] he said that's their job you don't have [00:47:51] to worry about it and i said do you want [00:47:53] to be there because it made me nervous [00:47:55] but [00:47:56] um [00:47:57] he said that you know that's the job [00:47:59] they should be able to do it [00:48:01] and [00:48:02] um [00:48:04] rj mcdonald didn't come back and [00:48:06] re-measure or anything i didn't tell [00:48:08] what i thought the problem was but they [00:48:10] had an opportunity the rework that they [00:48:12] didn't do [00:48:14] and they didn't come so and it was more [00:48:17] too yeah for them to do [00:48:20] so [00:48:21] they'll need about a month's notice [00:48:23] the spawn tanks probably wouldn't work [00:48:26] if it was the building that was used [00:48:28] continuously [00:48:29] during the winter [00:48:31] but [00:48:33] we only put the heat up if someone's [00:48:35] using it right yeah yeah yeah so [00:48:40] okay [00:48:42] this was voted on so it just needs to be [00:48:44] signed correct what are we appropriate [00:48:46] for this [00:48:58] and i mean just [00:49:00] you see that i scratched the two bottom [00:49:02] numbers down because they said they [00:49:04] wanted [00:49:04] half up front and then half when it was [00:49:06] done and i said more municipality i [00:49:08] don't do that and so he called his [00:49:09] finance team and they said fine okay so [00:49:11] i told him i'd call him tuesday after [00:49:13] you signed it to get the to get it going [00:49:17] do you want to make a motion is to sign [00:49:19] the contract yeah i just want to be sure [00:49:20] it says it in here that they're going to [00:49:22] remove and dispose of the tanks [00:49:25] any additional issues we have there i [00:49:28] mean are we seeing [00:49:32] no that's what she was just talking [00:49:33] about [00:49:34] i mean like if they would leak or [00:49:36] something there's very little oil in the [00:49:38] tanks [00:49:39] i got it down very close to the [00:49:41] bottom right so that [00:49:44] uh that should shouldn't be much of a [00:49:48] siphoning off process or anything they [00:49:51] probably have absorbent stuff they put [00:49:53] in the rest of them maybe maybe you [00:49:54] could answer that maybe you don't like [00:49:56] it and you you typically would cut them [00:49:58] in half put absorbent material in there [00:50:01] scrape them clean them take all the [00:50:02] material out and then take them out as [00:50:05] steel pieces once all that's been [00:50:07] cleaned out of the inside perfect [00:50:11] i think i'd like to have it done after [00:50:13] the fair [00:50:14] because he had said that it would take a [00:50:17] month at least to get on the schedule [00:50:19] and uh yeah so if we call we'll tell [00:50:21] them because you know [00:50:24] after [00:50:30] [Laughter] [00:50:48] above ground storage tank field proposal [00:50:50] from calm tank and the amount of 7 251 [00:50:55] for [00:50:56] the townhouse oil tank removal and [00:50:59] installation so [00:51:00] all in favor all right [00:51:04] they do have a bed of water also i don't [00:51:06] know [00:51:08] are they wrong [00:51:20] appointments and re-appointments [00:51:23] we have a big lesson have a good night [00:51:28] so [00:51:28] usually when we do the appointments and [00:51:30] reappointments we have like the letters [00:51:32] saying that they want to be reappointed [00:51:34] has everyone expressed an interest so [00:51:37] i mean some of these people haven't been [00:51:38] reappointed since 2017. these were very [00:51:40] old i don't know when the last time it [00:51:42] was all done [00:51:43] but [00:51:44] i was kind of relying on ryan to [00:51:47] give me guidance [00:51:48] and [00:51:50] just told me to [00:51:52] stagger them [00:51:54] and then he would send them letters [00:51:57] because i said do i have to send like 50 [00:51:59] letters i have to write 50 letters and [00:52:01] he said no i'll just call them and tell [00:52:03] them to come get sworn in [00:52:10] so this is a breakfast [00:52:12] yes [00:52:13] i just sent it to you guys at like 5 30. [00:52:16] i'm [00:52:16] gonna and i only [00:52:19] because it just saw another one i'm just [00:52:21] not sure [00:52:22] again [00:52:24] if that's supposed to be a board member [00:52:27] okay [00:52:28] right [00:52:34] i mean again ryan [00:52:36] right someone sent me this list and then [00:52:38] so all i did was stagger them [00:52:40] one two and three years and then for [00:52:43] something that is like an animal officer [00:52:46] or any a single appointment and not a [00:52:49] vote board i just gave them a three-year [00:52:51] appointment [00:52:56] i'm thinking i sent it back to ryan and [00:52:59] asked him his opinion [00:53:00] committee nobody's been reappointed [00:53:03] um [00:53:37] and then you'll see the police [00:53:38] department right behind you for all [00:53:39] their [00:53:44] we certainly done [00:54:17] all right so i make a motion well i can [00:54:19] text them one [00:54:30] you could just re-point as written [00:54:34] so these i don't know about it as [00:54:50] i think we just [00:55:01] we're not appointing glory we have a [00:55:03] service [00:55:07] she was there [00:55:09] that's how it's been in the past how [00:55:11] does it seem right [00:55:14] right [00:55:15] to [00:55:18] is that how it everything [00:55:20] it's how it's been in the past i will [00:55:22] say that [00:55:23] that that one all right that one i know [00:55:27] actually that would be the service [00:55:29] okay so no they don't have one at this [00:55:31] time so that's that is accurate as these [00:55:34] are right so is paula the assistant [00:55:39] she has been [00:55:40] she's not fun [00:55:42] for the position i think she just helps [00:55:44] and she was funded at one point [00:56:01] so what's the issue if we hold off on [00:56:03] these appointments do they just continue [00:56:05] they just continue [00:56:06] yeah so we don't have can we table this [00:56:09] and [00:56:10] make sure that [00:56:11] even though this came from ryan [00:56:13] um just be sure that [00:56:29] yes or hearing episode actually she's on [00:56:31] the cemetery commissioner [00:56:41] for their [00:56:48] so summer a year summer two summer three [00:56:50] years and we say that [00:56:52] right [00:56:53] right so if it's been that long that [00:56:55] we've done the entire list [00:56:59] then [00:57:00] right right [00:57:10] i'm just gonna need to know what your [00:57:11] questions are [00:57:12] other than williamson [00:57:15] the assistant town clerk [00:57:17] the zoning [00:57:19] um [00:57:22] so [00:57:24] we don't [00:57:25] nope [00:57:27] um [00:57:28] we have not dissolved ourselves though [00:57:31] so ryan wanted to come in front of you [00:57:33] to talk about this exact issue of [00:57:36] dissolving some commissions so maybe he [00:57:39] should come he didn't he didn't have [00:57:41] time to be ready for this meeting okay [00:57:43] so why don't we i don't know if he'll be [00:57:45] ready for the next one but i don't have [00:57:46] any [00:57:47] you know control over what he does can [00:57:49] we ask him at least yeah yeah until then [00:57:51] if we need to at least yeah [00:58:05] do we have any that um [00:58:07] that we know that we've actually got [00:58:09] letters or emails about that need to be [00:58:11] appointed [00:58:12] well i mean [00:58:14] um [00:58:15] i know we got [00:58:19] the [00:58:20] mart asked to be reappointed [00:58:27] um [00:58:31] the electrical inspector has to be [00:58:34] reappointed [00:58:37] and [00:58:39] elizabeth siren asked to be on the [00:58:41] historical commission [00:58:45] historical commission or [00:58:47] [Music] [00:58:48] yeah [00:58:51] no they're appointed [00:58:53] and uh there's two there was two [00:58:54] openings and she has to be on it she [00:58:56] actually also asked to be on the [00:58:59] um [00:59:01] townhouse committee but we had already [00:59:03] had [00:59:05] uh [00:59:06] peter schmidt okay requested so he's [00:59:09] just kind of beginning are we asking [00:59:10] historical questions [00:59:12] yeah i didn't okay okay so [00:59:16] that that needs to be a question okay [00:59:19] because they [00:59:20] cause someone's appointment [00:59:22] so then she's going for something i [00:59:24] don't know there was a you know there's [00:59:26] like two videos [00:59:38] so can we just take this listing under [00:59:40] advisor [00:59:41] when we meet next week [00:59:43] two weeks [00:59:45] we'll send you any edits or whatever and [00:59:48] i mean i'm happy to [00:59:51] maybe we can just give it to ryan and [00:59:52] just have ryan go through here [00:59:54] yeah i did send it to him but he never [00:59:56] said it was fine just to leave out the [00:59:58] finance because i said finance committee [00:59:59] had something very appointed to just by [01:00:01] you and you said leave it alone [01:00:03] and then um randall noble also asked to [01:00:05] be the bell ringer again i need him miss [01:00:08] bellringer i don't go up so check that [01:00:10] out so there so their appointments if we [01:00:12] don't do anything they remain in place [01:00:15] unless someone [01:00:17] yeah [01:00:17] so it's that he's still the bell ringer [01:00:20] yeah [01:00:20] he's not even here [01:00:26] where is [01:00:33] yeah all right i'll go through here so [01:00:35] that's good [01:00:37] how about the townhouse advisory [01:00:38] committee that's yourself [01:00:49] oh jacob has to be on there too [01:00:51] yeah so is elizabeth riley a current [01:00:54] townhouse advisory committee member yes [01:00:56] and she intends to stay on she's not [01:00:58] allowed [01:00:59] so we only have so many spots so you [01:01:01] can't have more [01:01:03] um [01:01:06] seeing them listed like on our website [01:01:09] so am i sorry [01:01:12] lucinda [01:01:14] yeah [01:01:15] jim stafford jacob stukels [01:01:17] are they all they're both still [01:01:19] yet they're all active so there's so [01:01:22] this shows only five spots [01:01:24] oh well i don't know how it always [01:01:27] decided [01:01:29] it wasn't like that that's what we're [01:01:30] asking you oh well i just as soon as [01:01:34] peter added to a sixth spot because so [01:01:38] you have to so the problem is the [01:01:40] committees and boards and commissions [01:01:42] the bylaws dictate how many spots [01:01:45] when it was set up so people can go and [01:01:48] they but they have no voting authority [01:01:50] they can go and listen and add or they [01:01:53] could take notes [01:01:54] but they wouldn't have a voting [01:01:57] they would have no say in what gets done [01:02:00] if it's only supposed to be five so you [01:02:02] need to check with ryan [01:02:04] okay [01:02:12] he's texting you right now [01:02:14] fine [01:02:20] actually [01:02:47] her term um [01:02:48] june 2021 and i would appoint any [01:02:51] assistant i think he meant to say and i [01:02:52] wouldn't appoint any assistant okay so [01:02:54] let's leave it off yeah all right so i'm [01:02:57] going to make a motion for the following [01:02:58] fiscal year 2023 appointments [01:03:02] as recommended by the chief full-time [01:03:04] officers um james ayotte [01:03:07] june 30 2025 [01:03:10] lieutenant kevin landing june 30 2025 [01:03:14] guardian robert [01:03:15] june 30 2024 officer ryan gentile june [01:03:19] 30 2023 [01:03:21] officer detective kyle larue [01:03:23] june 30 2025 officer [01:03:26] patrick ballstrom june 30 2024 [01:03:29] officer stephen hall june 30 2023 [01:03:32] intermittent police officers one year [01:03:34] appointment peter robotto police [01:03:36] matron's won your appointment [01:03:38] marianne regan laurie hoffman aaron [01:03:41] ballard so those intermittent police [01:03:47] police clerk one year appointment laurie [01:03:49] hoffman 30 20 23 police chaplain [01:03:53] father richard limbo [01:03:56] presuming june 30 2023 new bravery [01:03:59] dispatch board of overseer lieutenant [01:04:00] kevin landy [01:04:02] june 30 2023 [01:04:04] um [01:04:05] the dico officer designated infectious [01:04:09] control officer lieutenant heavenly [01:04:11] indian officer kyle larue jones 2023 [01:04:14] special a police officer's one-year [01:04:16] appointment june 30 2023 adam williamson [01:04:19] phil kearns edward pollock michael sweet [01:04:21] andrew rona rona [01:04:23] rohnew [01:04:25] melendez jonathan driscoll ryan bailey [01:04:28] sean creavier stephen lebrun [01:04:30] diana delanicki [01:04:33] matthew lietender richard cooley jr john [01:04:35] bell john again william gregoire michael [01:04:37] blanchard peter fox [01:04:49] no it's being reported [01:05:00] just come to a meeting ryan [01:05:02] i'm not going to sit here and type i [01:05:03] have my questions [01:05:20] perfect okay okay okay [01:05:23] uh opera funding [01:05:26] i don't have anything really the only [01:05:27] thing i have right now is for the water [01:05:29] department so i mean if you i just keep [01:05:32] it on here so we just have it well [01:05:34] because we said we were going to have a [01:05:35] working meeting yeah so [01:05:38] i guess my question is if we have [01:05:41] requests from [01:05:43] departments [01:05:44] and then we can sit down and look at [01:05:46] them all [01:05:47] and maybe maybe we make it a separate [01:05:49] meeting not a selectmen's meeting [01:05:50] because i feel like we keep kind of [01:05:52] doing this so i think if you have a [01:05:53] quote for water i know you're going to [01:05:55] get a quote for moving and reorgan [01:05:58] reorganizing people [01:06:00] um so like those are the things we have [01:06:02] to look at so that we can improve yeah [01:06:03] and prioritize yeah if that makes sense [01:06:06] to everybody [01:06:09] and i believe the fire department had [01:06:11] some hydrogen stations [01:06:15] and i every meeting every department [01:06:17] head meeting i say [01:06:18] let me know what your requests for arpa [01:06:21] or at the time was even free cash [01:06:23] um [01:06:25] but i don't i don't have anything yet [01:06:27] okay can we give them a deadline [01:06:29] this may be a post [01:06:32] on the july [01:06:33] so that we can visit this you know [01:06:36] august september [01:06:41] because they might need to think about [01:06:43] sorry [01:06:45] they might need to think about it [01:06:47] maybe if we say like my dog is that [01:06:49] gives them a month to go through and [01:06:50] figure out august 15th yeah [01:06:54] that's everything august 12 [01:07:05] [Music] [01:07:13] if they have questions [01:07:21] okay [01:07:23] all right [01:07:25] uh [01:07:26] time administrator reviews [01:07:30] so [01:07:31] cole is coming up on her one year [01:07:34] and um [01:07:37] so her review is coming up [01:07:40] so [01:07:40] she had sent us [01:07:42] this form and then [01:07:44] i handed it to julie she sent another [01:07:47] one along that that barry uses [01:07:53] so [01:07:55] we can um take a look at these [01:07:58] i'm going to make copies of this [01:08:00] is this okay to make these up oh yeah [01:08:02] okay yeah i'm gonna go make coffee if [01:08:04] you don't mind [01:08:15] i think maybe the goal is to go through [01:08:19] and maybe maybe we use both maybe we go [01:08:21] through until we can maybe formalize our [01:08:24] own [01:08:25] um review template [01:08:27] um you know use these [01:08:30] and maybe just even you know okay well [01:08:33] that's not really applicable so you know [01:08:36] go through them [01:08:37] and then [01:08:39] um we can either meet all together again [01:08:42] or it can be one person [01:08:45] go you know sits with you [01:08:47] and goes through everyone's [01:08:49] readings [01:09:04] it but if there's something that comes [01:09:06] up but if there's something that needs [01:09:08] to be you know then it's it's handled [01:09:11] and i think [01:09:13] moving forward you're going to do this [01:09:14] with your department heads yes so the [01:09:16] ones that are very smart [01:09:18] that's not going to be in a public [01:09:19] meeting it's going to be in a nice [01:09:21] setting where you can have a [01:09:22] conversation and so i just think that [01:09:24] you know maybe that's not a bad idea [01:09:27] you know [01:09:28] and then you can you know [01:09:30] narrow any concerns you have you know um [01:09:34] and and sure whatever you guys to go to [01:09:37] go forward that way um [01:09:41] because really it's [01:09:43] it's tough you're having conversations [01:09:45] about [01:09:46] something someone might have to bring up [01:09:48] a personal issue [01:09:51] yeah that's the yeah [01:09:53] the lovely part about working in public [01:09:54] service now [01:09:56] um [01:09:57] it's all public but i'm not i'm not [01:09:59] opposed to that okay and then we'll [01:10:01] we'll get julie's input too when she [01:10:03] comes back but um [01:10:07] i just got a totally just had a thought [01:10:09] too [01:10:14] they come and go so quickly sometimes [01:10:21] um [01:10:28] tomorrow at tomorrow's department head [01:10:30] meeting i was going to announce to the [01:10:32] department heads that in august [01:10:34] we'll do reviews and considering that [01:10:36] nobody's ever had one you know each year [01:10:39] you really should you know you have [01:10:40] goals right oh that's that's what i was [01:10:42] done thinking that was my um [01:10:45] but [01:10:46] you know because we should also [01:10:48] okay thank you [01:10:52] um because there should also be you know [01:10:54] what things do we want to [01:10:56] you know as we're going through these so [01:10:59] while you were gone [01:11:01] we talked about you know going through [01:11:04] maybe both of them and whatever's [01:11:06] applicable using as [01:11:08] for this year until we can maybe make [01:11:11] our own um [01:11:13] review [01:11:14] template or [01:11:15] we call it something else [01:11:18] this is more realisable [01:11:24] and then [01:11:25] the chair could possibly sit with nicole [01:11:28] and then do an overview of [01:11:30] what all of our [01:11:33] you know ratings [01:11:36] and that they'll be accumulated and [01:11:38] whatever [01:11:44] so we need to do one separately [01:11:46] i can accumulate it or somebody can [01:11:47] accumulate it and just do it in a grid [01:11:50] and then you have to come up the board [01:11:52] would have to come up with a consensus [01:11:54] on how so the two of us said [01:11:58] uh good and one said excellent we have [01:12:00] to talk about it and [01:12:02] come up with a consensus if if we all [01:12:04] agree the same that it's another issue [01:12:06] that's [01:12:09] okay you can [01:12:11] i've been in a town where they all [01:12:13] shared their own reviews [01:12:15] i mean and i've in my town where we had [01:12:17] a manager [01:12:18] there would be somebody that personally [01:12:19] didn't like the manager and he got [01:12:21] terrible review and then [01:12:23] good from the other one you know and you [01:12:24] just add them up and kind of give them a [01:12:26] um [01:12:30] well no and you know you um average it [01:12:32] that's correct but that's what we would [01:12:34] need to because we collectively have to [01:12:36] give them reviews yeah [01:12:38] so it has to be [01:12:39] of our thoughts [01:12:43] if we're on the same page that's [01:12:45] non-issue [01:12:46] right [01:12:47] yeah somebody has a feeling so what i've [01:12:49] done i do this for pathfinder what they [01:12:51] do is everyone submits [01:12:54] um there's a super uh for the [01:12:56] superintendent there's a specific form [01:12:58] and we have to report back a specific [01:13:00] evaluation they send me all their [01:13:02] evaluations i create a grade [01:13:04] so i would create an excel sheet that [01:13:06] says [01:13:07] budgetary financial administration if [01:13:10] you had any comments i'd have column [01:13:12] unacceptable for acceptable excellent [01:13:14] put them all in [01:13:16] so that we could [01:13:17] all see that and then perhaps we could [01:13:20] um [01:13:22] collectively just go budgetary financial [01:13:25] administration [01:13:27] if we needed to if we didn't need to [01:13:29] talk about one of them because well if [01:13:31] we need to then it becomes an open [01:13:32] meeting [01:13:35] so that's that's what we're trying to [01:13:37] say maybe if if we [01:13:40] filled them all out [01:13:42] send them to you [01:13:43] or whoever is chair i'm getting ahead of [01:13:46] myself on the agenda um [01:13:50] then that person would sit with the coal [01:13:52] and go through them [01:13:55] but if we have dissenting opinions [01:13:57] that's going to be a problem [01:13:59] if we don't agree [01:14:02] we should just be in a public meeting [01:14:06] or or we could just go through and say [01:14:09] i could simply say i could send the [01:14:11] nicole the sheet what i did it's got to [01:14:15] be public somehow so i put [01:14:16] the initials i put jq said this this is [01:14:19] what the comments were we could send it [01:14:21] to nicole [01:14:22] you she could send it to you all and we [01:14:24] could review it we don't have to review [01:14:25] in detail we could just say we had these [01:14:28] comments this is the average [01:14:31] are we okay with this that's how simple [01:14:33] it has it can be [01:14:34] okay it doesn't have to be where we're [01:14:37] specifically talking about if there is [01:14:39] anything if we all are in agreement on [01:14:41] it it's a non-issue and the chair could [01:14:43] sit with nicole [01:14:45] but if we don't agree on something [01:14:48] she needs one final eval yeah [01:14:51] no i i get what you're saying [01:14:56] obsession but [01:14:58] that's what i was initially right i know [01:15:00] and i didn't think there was and i don't [01:15:01] think that there's a way to do it right [01:15:03] can we can we talk to greg [01:15:18] unless it's disciplinary unless you let [01:15:20] the chair make the decision [01:15:22] if we have to send the ratings and you [01:15:24] give the authority to the chair to make [01:15:27] the decision then it's another issue [01:15:30] give [01:15:31] kids whomever it is [01:15:44] and you'll do yourself you'll do a [01:15:46] self-evaluation i've already started [01:15:48] yeah and things that i've done over this [01:15:50] past year and things like that but [01:15:51] you're going to use the same templates [01:15:54] so that we [01:15:55] at least are working on the same like [01:15:57] working off of the same okay that's i [01:16:00] guess sure sure i can do that but then i [01:16:01] also have you know [01:16:03] what i [01:16:05] what i can feel i've [01:16:05] next year absolutely why don't you send [01:16:07] that [01:16:08] to all of us because [01:16:11] is use and use it as part of it [01:16:14] yep that would be super helpful yeah i [01:16:17] don't i didn't finish it but i was [01:16:18] working on it so does that does that [01:16:21] sound yep okay so if you finish okay [01:16:24] your self evaluation okay and whatever [01:16:27] you're putting together for what you've [01:16:28] accomplished and what you hope to [01:16:30] accomplish [01:16:31] and then [01:16:32] we can do them and i think any goals [01:16:35] that we each feel [01:16:37] for you know [01:16:39] a year [01:16:40] for the next year [01:16:42] does that seem right [01:16:44] i think we need to tackle one year at a [01:16:45] time at this point with everything [01:16:46] that's going on i would love to say you [01:16:48] know gee where do you think you're going [01:16:50] to be in five years but let's focus on a [01:16:51] year right now because [01:16:53] it's just a lot going on [01:16:55] you know i mean [01:16:56] i'm hoping we build [01:16:58] you know safety complexes and [01:17:00] all this other stuff but let's let's get [01:17:03] through one one yeah one big thing at a [01:17:05] time [01:17:06] um and then so do we want to pick a like [01:17:09] affirmative date as to when we will [01:17:13] be done all this [01:17:15] so that the chair [01:17:18] can sit with the call [01:17:22] well [01:17:24] yeah i guess it depends on how fast you [01:17:26] think you can i'm [01:17:27] almost done with it i mean it's like [01:17:29] three pages long so [01:17:32] i should be almost done with it [01:17:37] i mean [01:17:38] if like by the next meeting or something [01:17:40] or you know it's two weeks [01:17:43] or or we go into our the first week of [01:17:45] august or something [01:17:47] so it's not going to be a meeting again [01:17:49] it's just being [01:17:52] ready and then getting everything to the [01:17:54] chair well why don't we say [01:17:56] the next [01:18:01] okay [01:18:03] so by the 25th you should have [01:18:06] your well no because then we need time [01:18:08] right no so i'll give it to you i'll [01:18:10] have it ready for tomorrow [01:18:12] why don't you give yourself some time [01:18:14] give yourself the week [01:18:16] so why don't we say it's going to take [01:18:17] like 10 minutes [01:18:20] if you if you get it to us by [01:18:22] the 20th [01:18:24] and then um [01:18:29] correct [01:18:30] i guess then we can see if we have any [01:18:31] questions [01:18:36] if it's on my schedule [01:18:38] oh you're not going to make that meeting [01:18:41] no i will not be there do you want to [01:18:43] change it to the 26th perhaps does that [01:18:45] work i have a medical procedure yeah [01:18:47] she's not going to be here on the 25th [01:19:04] ann just probably figured out what it [01:19:05] was [01:19:06] yeah [01:19:07] i'm done [01:19:09] today i just had my last one [01:19:12] does the 26 work for everybody [01:19:14] yeah [01:19:15] six or six thirty i know [01:19:17] we keep going back and forth [01:19:20] six is that no today i just got screwed [01:19:22] okay that's okay i wondered if you [01:19:24] didn't realize it was six and i felt so [01:19:26] bad i kind of didn't and then i checked [01:19:28] like [01:19:31] all right so we'll do the 26 at six [01:19:34] yeah no good boy [01:19:38] okay so [01:19:40] if nicole has her information to us by [01:19:43] the 20th that gives us almost a week [01:19:46] to get everything to the chair and then [01:19:48] we can have a quick discussion about [01:19:51] firming up like [01:19:53] we just if we have something yep okay [01:19:56] perfect [01:19:57] okay [01:19:58] all right [01:19:59] that will be good and then maybe we can [01:20:01] mesh these together in the future but if [01:20:04] this is good then maybe you can use this [01:20:06] one for your department heads yeah well [01:20:08] that's that was really for department [01:20:09] heads and jessica said she doesn't have [01:20:10] one for herself [01:20:12] so but you know that's why i was like [01:20:14] yeah maybe there's some things in here [01:20:25] this gets the ball rolling [01:20:28] because it's you know [01:20:30] right [01:20:31] so it gets the ball rolling for [01:20:33] something that we've wanted to do for [01:20:35] you [01:20:36] and we should be doing it yeah it's [01:20:38] beneficial because if someone needs [01:20:40] tools to be able to complete their job [01:20:42] or do better or [01:20:45] we need to know that you know [01:20:47] and as a side note i did go upstairs and [01:20:49] i met [01:20:51] um [01:20:52] the assistant to the treasurer and [01:20:53] collector before the meeting marta [01:20:56] she seems very lovely and [01:20:58] she says she loves her job so far [01:21:01] and loves everybody that's really neat [01:21:03] hey [01:21:04] i'll take it i'll take it [01:21:07] so just on the side [01:21:11] so there's that [01:21:13] okay uh town administrator report [01:21:17] so um you know these things that aren't [01:21:19] resolved yet i still leave on there so i [01:21:21] know it sort of looks redundant but [01:21:23] until they're resolved i like to keep [01:21:25] them on their [01:21:26] talking points anyway so confidential [01:21:29] mediation with usda is still ongoing [01:21:32] we're hoping [01:21:33] to have our final mediation soon because [01:21:37] the last thing that usd required was the [01:21:39] historical commission sign off for a [01:21:41] pump station location [01:21:43] that was approved on june 29th so i'm [01:21:46] hoping that we're going to have our last [01:21:48] mediation very soon i haven't heard usda [01:21:51] both of our contacts are traveling for [01:21:53] work so i took all those emails because [01:21:56] it came to the to the board one two okay [01:21:59] that we were on [01:22:01] so i think we should schedule it [01:22:03] and [01:22:04] jen was hoping to to be there [01:22:07] right but i so i didn't schedule it [01:22:09] because another thing is whenever these [01:22:11] get [01:22:12] cancelled after we've scheduled it it [01:22:14] becomes contentious and residents think [01:22:16] that we're not being [01:22:18] open and so we don't have anything to do [01:22:20] with tomorrow we have to know by [01:22:22] tomorrow i emailed them today i consumed [01:22:24] i got i got um [01:22:27] out of office replies for both of them [01:22:28] from both of them yes for the week or [01:22:31] like well joe thursday and [01:22:35] and jen for the week okay [01:22:37] but still i think there was and i i [01:22:40] talked to joe on friday and there was [01:22:42] um [01:22:43] not sure if she will be literally [01:22:45] traveling so if she's right we're [01:22:47] certain that okay yeah if she's on a [01:22:49] plane or right then she won't be able [01:22:51] but i thought he said that we could do [01:22:53] it regardless well she has to be the [01:22:55] carpenting founder in that so he'll [01:22:58] she'll make that just decision i'll text [01:23:00] her after because she says it's hard to [01:23:02] get the four of us in the room together [01:23:03] yeah like so this worked yeah i know i'm [01:23:06] the sooner the better that's what i said [01:23:08] am i physically going to be in the room [01:23:10] here no we can also [01:23:12] zoom so we don't know so okay so i mean [01:23:15] to be honest i was half thinking do it [01:23:17] from home myself [01:23:21] right right and not be driving in on [01:23:24] zoom [01:23:25] because our is the other question is [01:23:27] like we wanted to meet with greg again [01:23:29] before we met with yes so we need to do [01:23:32] that too we should do that anyway [01:23:34] exactly yeah so do we want to set [01:23:36] something up for our [01:23:39] i'd have to see greg is available at [01:23:41] that time so do you want do you want to [01:23:43] see if he can do 430 [01:23:47] right like right before yeah is that too [01:23:49] early for you [01:23:51] you know [01:23:53] i start usually at six in the morning i [01:23:55] know you do but i still i know you're [01:23:57] still traveling and whatnot so i [01:24:00] think okay [01:24:04] so [01:24:04] even if it's a half hour just i mean i [01:24:06] read through his comments and he made [01:24:08] some good points on some of them so is [01:24:10] he going to address those okay we'll [01:24:12] chat we'll have that meeting okay all [01:24:14] right and maybe even if we don't have [01:24:16] mediation if he could still meet with us [01:24:18] at 4 30 and we know he's good for five [01:24:21] so if he could meet you know perfect [01:24:23] yeah okay [01:24:24] so just confirm that okay um and then [01:24:28] we don't have to take down them [01:24:29] okay [01:24:33] i don't know [01:24:34] i'm just you know reaching but i get it [01:24:36] i get it when we when we yeah yeah it's [01:24:39] no fault of our own no when i so i said [01:24:42] please let me know so i don't so i can [01:24:44] schedule it instead of you know this is [01:24:46] what happens on our end right that you [01:24:48] know people think we're not being [01:24:49] transparent when it's actually just had [01:24:50] to be canceled or whatever so we need to [01:24:53] can't wait to tell everybody everything [01:24:54] exactly okay sorry [01:24:57] the town audit is ongoing i we don't [01:24:59] have the complete management letter in [01:25:01] the final version yet uh we got a draft [01:25:04] but there was a couple of questions that [01:25:06] they had powers and sullivan so it [01:25:07] should be any day now and then that can [01:25:09] come off here um and the youtube is live [01:25:13] hopefully people are watching um [01:25:16] and you know the past meetings will be [01:25:19] on there too for everybody to watch [01:25:21] uh so i had a meeting with mark [01:25:24] and sharon hartiger [01:25:27] a few weeks ago and um the [01:25:30] the employees had requested to go up to [01:25:32] the amount that they're making in other [01:25:34] communities and it's just a wash for us [01:25:37] we get reimbursed so it's not it doesn't [01:25:39] come out of our budget i just need to [01:25:41] send a letter on [01:25:43] town letterhead that [01:25:46] you know the town is in a in agreement [01:25:49] that they should be making [01:25:50] um what they are in other communities [01:25:52] and it didn't necessarily have to be a [01:25:54] vote it just had to be that the town is [01:25:56] willing [01:25:57] okay that that right [01:25:59] we had brought that up in the personnel [01:26:00] committee yeah we would ask sharon i [01:26:03] don't know if you all remember that but [01:26:05] when we were doing that um [01:26:07] classification plan [01:26:08] and bringing other folks up [01:26:10] yeah so we had said we would run it by [01:26:12] her to get what what they need to be [01:26:14] making as far as the standard through [01:26:16] mark yep so the drivers will be making [01:26:18] 15 21 and sharon ludia 1784 as they are [01:26:21] in the other towns that they work in [01:26:23] um marta started on tuesday she's really [01:26:25] enjoying it just so she's really excited [01:26:27] and doing a great job so far [01:26:30] she's been very positive [01:26:32] um [01:26:33] so the retirement insurance was approved [01:26:35] at town meeting i am just writing up the [01:26:37] policy now for personnel review because [01:26:40] i've asked other communities and they [01:26:42] have run into issues so i want to make [01:26:44] sure that it's um [01:26:45] you know [01:26:46] written well enough that we don't have [01:26:48] you know somebody that leaves and then [01:26:50] comes back six months before they retire [01:26:52] so [01:26:52] there's all kinds of language that's [01:26:54] there that i'm pulling from everybody [01:26:56] okay and then we'll have a meeting and [01:26:58] yeah i am getting close i i keep typing [01:27:01] that policy and i know i said i would [01:27:03] send it to you yeah but honestly someone [01:27:05] that didn't sit in those meetings [01:27:07] i'm making little notes and corrections [01:27:10] okay like just all right typos and stuff [01:27:12] yeah like i i i don't know i know i'm [01:27:15] probably being a control freak but [01:27:16] that's fine [01:27:23] is 100 years old on wednesday she's a [01:27:26] nice lady i have a proclamation here [01:27:29] that if you guys want to sign and i'll [01:27:31] be delivering to her at eleven o'clock [01:27:33] with the coa director [01:27:36] uh when i had a stamp meeting that i [01:27:38] went uh a little um [01:27:41] a meeting it was it's an actual meeting [01:27:43] for stan but it's a seminary seminar [01:27:46] yeah [01:27:47] um discussion was had on attracting [01:27:48] retaining good employees budgeting [01:27:50] safety in the workplace upcoming bond [01:27:52] bills and more [01:27:53] all good news coming down the pike [01:27:55] somebody did ask what did you do [01:27:57] to one of the presenters [01:28:00] as far as influence information [01:28:02] in [01:28:03] inflation [01:28:05] for you know for budgeting and he says [01:28:07] oh there's a saying in government and [01:28:08] we're slow and steady so [01:28:11] we don't have we don't account for [01:28:13] anything happening outside of the world [01:28:14] we just keep doing what we're doing [01:28:17] um [01:28:18] a vacation i'd like to take vacation in [01:28:19] october i am asking early because i'm [01:28:22] asking for two weeks because it it is [01:28:24] overseas so when you go for you know you [01:28:27] lose days when you when you travel so [01:28:30] um [01:28:31] i would be looking to start the columbus [01:28:33] day which is october 10th and go through [01:28:35] those two weeks so that monday is a [01:28:37] holiday so that's that but then so [01:28:39] that's the week of the week of the 10th [01:28:42] yeah the week of the tenant um [01:28:45] yeah [01:28:46] so [01:28:47] that's when i would probably ask 24. [01:28:50] i would ask that we do third and 24th [01:28:53] for meetings even though i won't be here [01:28:55] somebody else will have to [01:28:57] you know do the agenda or we meet on a [01:28:59] wednesday and i can do it on monday [01:29:01] something like that we can figure that [01:29:03] out [01:29:04] yeah it was [01:29:05] like a slow time before all of the [01:29:08] renewals and things like in the end of [01:29:10] year and the new calendar year starts i [01:29:12] don't have an issue [01:29:14] and it was cheap fun [01:29:16] not cheap but [01:29:18] as much as you can yeah so dls [01:29:20] department of local standards was [01:29:22] supposed to come out on july 1 to start [01:29:23] a financial review but they lost an [01:29:25] employee and put them behind schedule so [01:29:28] we're next on their list so hopefully by [01:29:30] the end of the month they'll get [01:29:30] somebody out here to uh review the [01:29:34] financial review that hasn't been done [01:29:35] in [01:29:36] be a while [01:29:37] [Music] [01:29:39] zen acre farms [01:29:41] uh the hta is going back and forth with [01:29:43] council and it's just about done and [01:29:45] they're asking to be on the next agenda [01:29:50] so [01:29:53] yeah yeah that's fine you can put them [01:29:55] on the next agenda okay [01:29:57] um we're out of compliance with the [01:29:58] public water district east national [01:30:00] waters is challenging at mass to ep [01:30:02] we'll be holding a general briefing for [01:30:03] public water systems on the recent [01:30:06] released us epa health advisories for [01:30:08] pfas [01:30:10] on july 20th at 10 o'clock both bob and [01:30:12] i are scheduled to attend [01:30:15] uh they've changed the i don't know if [01:30:17] they've changed it or they're just now [01:30:18] enforcing these regulations on pfas and [01:30:20] we're [01:30:22] like barely over if we're over and he's [01:30:24] he's constantly challenging it that was [01:30:26] the letter that we had to send out right [01:30:28] yeah yeah and yeah okay yeah so you guys [01:30:30] are working on yeah yeah and you're [01:30:33] still working on getting pricing [01:30:35] for all of that correct i actually have [01:30:38] the pricing it's around thirty five [01:30:39] thousand dollars okay [01:30:41] i have a quote for the actual meters [01:30:44] and then [01:30:45] their um [01:30:46] their labor [01:30:48] the the meters are like 27 000 or 28 000 [01:30:51] and then they're currently we're going [01:30:52] to install it that should definitely be [01:30:53] on our list yes [01:30:55] this is for [01:30:57] hardwood center water district i didn't [01:30:59] get a letter with beavers [01:31:02] um [01:31:04] a letter went out to all to all of the [01:31:07] water disc to all of them [01:31:10] well i know we sent it in the mail so i [01:31:11] don't know i know that mail i mean is so [01:31:13] terrible right now i know that we i know [01:31:16] i sent it out in the mail i had the list [01:31:18] of everybody and uh [01:31:20] because this had to go out to residence [01:31:22] and this was just for file he didn't go [01:31:24] with the bill [01:31:26] no we don't we didn't have a bill yet [01:31:28] either so [01:31:40] these readings will be done from outside [01:31:42] with like an ipad [01:31:44] as they drive by [01:31:46] very quickly [01:31:47] like you're like showing the guys by [01:31:49] selling [01:31:52] um okay anyway so open space and rec [01:31:54] plan update we need to appoint a [01:31:56] planning committee to work with cmrpc [01:31:58] i'm working on recruits right now if [01:32:00] anybody out here is listening and [01:32:02] interested we need to update this plan [01:32:04] so we can start getting grants [01:32:08] the mvp plan was completed and submitted [01:32:10] we should we should be designated soon [01:32:12] and then be eligible for grants for like [01:32:14] culverts and things like that to be a [01:32:16] municipal vulnerability preparedness [01:32:18] plan [01:32:19] and one thing that i did forget to put [01:32:21] on here or maybe it happened after i [01:32:23] wrote this on thursday [01:32:24] that carol riches who was the one that i [01:32:27] originally wanted to hire is the [01:32:28] assistant she's a former china [01:32:29] administrator in pakistan and she's [01:32:31] retired [01:32:32] and um [01:32:33] she originally [01:32:35] said no [01:32:36] and then emailed me and asked me if i [01:32:38] found anybody so i had a conversation [01:32:40] with her on friday and i asked her what [01:32:41] changed her mind [01:32:42] and she said she just um i mean i'm not [01:32:45] going to do my own work she said she's [01:32:47] really impressed and would really like [01:32:48] to [01:32:49] help me even in the interim before [01:32:52] i could get somebody that would be here [01:32:54] for the full 19 hours and she could help [01:32:57] you know she worked [01:32:59] a few when somebody else worked to help [01:33:00] train and [01:33:02] and you know she was a former town [01:33:03] administrator for 12 years so she might [01:33:05] have some really good [01:33:06] uh advice for me so she's gonna start [01:33:08] monday the 18th [01:33:11] and she's gonna certainly start with [01:33:13] doing a lot of the minutes perfect [01:33:15] that's something that weighs on me for [01:33:17] sure well and people definitely question [01:33:19] why they're not posted or what where can [01:33:21] i find them yeah everything went through [01:33:23] your list that you had put together and [01:33:25] everything is on that flash drive all [01:33:28] right [01:33:29] so yeah perfect [01:33:31] perfect and that's that [01:33:34] okay all right [01:33:37] i do have a couple of um [01:33:39] things oh sorry sorry sorry sorry [01:33:41] i'm sorry if you want to finish up i [01:33:43] just don't want to forget but it's no [01:33:44] it's fine what do you need signatures no [01:33:47] no um [01:33:48] some miscellaneous well it's not really [01:33:50] miscellaneous [01:33:51] um [01:33:53] the [01:33:54] deci came out with a 112 budget for the [01:33:56] school yes so they approved their full [01:33:59] budget i had that starting at 112. right [01:34:02] yeah [01:34:02] yeah so procedurally do we understand [01:34:04] how that works um i think what we do is [01:34:07] we take that amount and divide it by 12 [01:34:09] and start giving it to that monthly so [01:34:11] procedurally what happens i'm going to [01:34:14] go over here because my glasses [01:34:16] so procedurally what happens is um [01:34:20] they have to so [01:34:22] my understanding is the superintendent [01:34:24] knew that it wasn't going to pass and [01:34:26] she hadn't filed paperwork that's why we [01:34:28] got that letter so soon after the [01:34:29] meetings [01:34:31] the state was already unknown that's it [01:34:32] was already unnoticeable [01:34:36] right so [01:34:37] the school committee has to come back to [01:34:39] us now with a revised budget they have [01:34:41] three options increase the budget which [01:34:43] would be foolish they just didn't pass [01:34:45] the first time [01:34:47] leave it the same or reduce it [01:34:50] and then [01:34:51] so they will be on a 112 budget until it [01:34:54] gets passed [01:34:55] if they can't survive on a 112 budget [01:34:58] they have to internally start cutting [01:35:01] until we approve so i think um i [01:35:04] understood that we had to have another [01:35:06] meeting in the fall early fall [01:35:09] to make us so we may need to either do [01:35:11] two special meetings or back up [01:35:14] accelerate our fall meetings right [01:35:17] october depending on when they come back [01:35:19] with something correct i think i'm not [01:35:22] sure and you might know better but [01:35:25] another time administrator said they had [01:35:27] 30 days from the first [01:35:29] from the one that failed them so 30 days [01:35:31] from when new braintree [01:35:33] voted voted it down made them fail and [01:35:36] so yeah [01:35:38] right that sounds [01:35:41] that could be right [01:35:43] but i don't know [01:35:45] right [01:35:47] we should do we understand if they have [01:35:49] i don't see anything on the schedule if [01:35:51] they have a school committee meeting [01:35:53] nothing i don't see one [01:35:55] yeah i haven't seen anything come [01:35:56] through because she normally emails us [01:35:58] to post it [01:36:00] yeah jessica yeah because i'll see that [01:36:02] on the board one something no i don't [01:36:03] see anything [01:36:06] okay [01:36:08] and did you have something else yeah the [01:36:10] um [01:36:12] dcr [01:36:15] the department of conservation and [01:36:17] recreation has posted its forest [01:36:19] management proposals on the properties [01:36:20] for public review one or more of the [01:36:23] proposed project is located on dcr land [01:36:25] within your community as part of our [01:36:27] public process we would like to share a [01:36:28] copy of the proposals of the project in [01:36:30] your community to offer any [01:36:32] questions the board might have [01:36:34] and then there's a website [01:36:36] um [01:36:40] i i could put this up on the website i [01:36:42] was just gonna think that uh saying um [01:36:44] that would probably be the best place [01:36:45] for that it's dc our land so it's [01:36:46] probably whatever around the world [01:36:49] or something um yes yeah [01:36:50] yeah okay so that um can i see yeah [01:36:53] is it list where it is no no it just has [01:36:56] a link [01:36:57] oh okay yep [01:37:02] yeah okay [01:37:03] okay [01:37:04] all right [01:37:06] right [01:37:08] they actually i think [01:37:10] do they give they do a pilot yes they do [01:37:13] as opposed to that's wildlife that [01:37:15] doesn't give pilots yeah okay anyway [01:37:18] yes i just said that out loud [01:37:23] anyway all right the last item on the [01:37:25] agenda oh please can we do slapping a [01:37:26] round table first okay yes sorry um i um [01:37:30] i won't name the business but there's a [01:37:32] local business that came to my attention [01:37:33] that's struggling [01:37:35] do we have any [01:37:37] um [01:37:38] grants or is there anything you're aware [01:37:41] of [01:37:42] can i [01:37:44] send you the information yes [01:37:46] because they're potentially looking at [01:37:48] closing i would hate to see that happen [01:37:50] because they're just new [01:37:51] yeah absolutely [01:37:53] send it to me i will and i said i would [01:37:56] ask yeah [01:37:58] absolutely like the quebec [01:38:00] valley the cdc has something there's [01:38:03] some there's some uh programs out there [01:38:05] yeah so maybe i'll put them in [01:38:07] connection and you can [01:38:09] okay [01:38:12] definitely want to see any business [01:38:15] survive right now especially in town [01:38:18] do you have anything wrong before i go [01:38:19] into the last planet [01:38:26] so am i am i coming off too [01:38:28] excited [01:38:32] all right so the last item on the agenda [01:38:33] is [01:38:34] selecting reorganization [01:38:38] we had a conversation [01:38:39] at the last meeting i believe and [01:38:42] decided it should be on the agenda so [01:38:44] that it was made aware that [01:38:46] we [01:38:47] could potentially be reorganizing [01:38:50] and [01:38:51] in my opinion [01:38:54] four years ago i wanted to i wanted to [01:38:57] take a stab at chair and um [01:39:01] well that didn't go over too well and [01:39:04] the same person continued to be chair [01:39:06] and i don't think that that's a healthy [01:39:08] atmosphere for the board i think [01:39:10] everybody should have a chance to do [01:39:12] this [01:39:13] i've learned a tremendous amount um [01:39:17] and [01:39:18] i just you can't express that more [01:39:21] but i just think everyone should have [01:39:23] the opportunity to [01:39:25] have the experience it is it's work it's [01:39:28] a lot um but [01:39:30] you know [01:39:31] maybe i grumble sometimes but all in all [01:39:33] it is a good experience and i think [01:39:35] anyone that wants to have the shop [01:39:37] should have it [01:39:39] well thank you [01:39:40] i [01:39:42] couldn't do it without the rest of you [01:39:43] because your support means everything do [01:39:46] you have a sense that um [01:39:49] just asking the question that a change [01:39:51] in the [01:39:52] so this i'm a little gun shy [01:39:54] because you don't have the benefit of [01:39:57] being here [01:39:58] thankfully for you but [01:40:00] um you know we were stopped from [01:40:02] reorganizing do you have a sense that if [01:40:03] you reorganize as a board if this has [01:40:06] any [01:40:09] this is a this is required by law [01:40:11] annually [01:40:12] and i understand where you're going but [01:40:15] i don't think there's any [01:40:16] qualms whatsoever with you reorganizing [01:40:18] and following the mass general off [01:40:22] i just want to be sure [01:40:24] no i because [01:40:25] it it was um it was kind of held over [01:40:28] our heads that you know if we reorganize [01:40:31] yeah well even if you keep the same [01:40:33] chair you're still supposed to [01:40:34] reorganize every year you can still keep [01:40:35] like [01:40:36] you can still put it [01:40:38] right it should be a collection just to [01:40:40] open up the option right yeah and that [01:40:42] was never that was never that was never [01:40:44] done and so it wasn't allowed [01:40:47] correct [01:40:48] so yeah it wouldn't even be entertained [01:40:52] you know by the chair so yeah well i [01:40:54] don't think i don't see an issue [01:40:56] whatsoever [01:40:59] a little gun shy [01:41:02] i was put through [01:41:10] i'm not seconding it well i will second [01:41:13] it [01:41:15] how does that look if it's like two to [01:41:17] one and you didn't vote for yourself [01:41:20] i didn't vote for myself when you guys [01:41:21] voted me in the chair no that's a little [01:41:23] cocky [01:41:24] so right and so with with everything [01:41:26] being said [01:41:28] we're all here and we are all in this [01:41:30] together julie and no one i i trust me [01:41:33] i will do anything i can [01:41:36] to [01:41:37] make you do just wonderful things for [01:41:39] the next terms of the [01:41:45] said you didn't write neighbors you hear [01:41:46] ryan wants to push out elections to june [01:41:50] i'm not even kidding you yes that's what [01:41:52] he said so it's closer to the end of it [01:41:55] anyway that's not even yeah we're not [01:41:56] going to worry about that yet that's [01:42:09] um i would make the motion that rob [01:42:11] become vice chair then i second that [01:42:26] okay [01:42:39] we are officially [01:42:41] and we're all we're all in this together [01:42:43] so oh yeah that's it's not good right i [01:42:46] mean it doesn't really change no [01:42:49] no no [01:42:50] but we'll all we i think and i i will [01:42:53] tell you earlier when i went up to meet [01:42:55] marta [01:42:56] uh sarah was up there and she said we're [01:42:58] one of the best boards that she works [01:43:00] with so [01:43:01] i agree yeah [01:43:03] yeah so um [01:43:05] before we adjourn can we talk about um [01:43:09] with the state pushing out can you keep [01:43:10] us posted on what the requirements are [01:43:13] for [01:43:14] with them extending the zoom leadings [01:43:16] from december 15th through [01:43:18] 2023 [01:43:20] to december 152. they're trying to make [01:43:22] it mandatory for zoom [01:43:25] i think i'm hoping with all the pushback [01:43:27] they're gonna [01:43:28] rethink it it's just hard it's gonna be [01:43:31] impossible we you know we only have [01:43:33] recording for this room [01:43:35] and if there's any other meetings [01:43:36] happening in the town at all you can't [01:43:38] have it at the town house they're [01:43:39] they're trying to require all meetings [01:43:41] be [01:43:42] every people have to be here in this [01:43:44] room [01:43:45] especially towns with multiple meetings [01:43:47] you know well that's [01:43:49] that's exactly what if there's two [01:43:50] things going on at the same time what [01:43:52] you're getting and we have limited all [01:43:53] these zoomer power will have to go well [01:43:55] that's ridiculous put [01:43:57] tvs [01:43:59] put video everywhere and then we'll have [01:44:00] to hire somebody else because right now [01:44:02] we have rick vega [01:44:03] that's doing it he can't do well [01:44:05] multiples can he i mean [01:44:08] really what are they expecting [01:44:11] i don't know but in soon it's in [01:44:13] committee right now and they people are [01:44:15] really talking like they think it's [01:44:16] going to pass [01:44:18] i honestly i know we talked about that i [01:44:20] know we talked about this over here [01:44:21] because of my glasses [01:44:24] um i know we talked about this but i [01:44:26] think [01:44:27] and i know that um [01:44:30] it's a pain for zoom [01:44:32] and we have youtube but there are people [01:44:34] who want to participate by zone our [01:44:36] attendance went up a lot [01:44:38] i think i i agree with you [01:44:40] at the beginning but i felt like lately [01:44:43] that wasn't the case [01:44:44] well i'm just wondering if if if we do [01:44:47] have to go to somewhat of a virtual [01:44:49] maybe we can get a quaggan student or [01:44:52] somebody who needs an internship yeah [01:44:54] community work just to come and sit and [01:44:56] manage this [01:44:58] because it's hard for one of them [01:45:00] that's another thing to participate to [01:45:01] participate and you have to do that and [01:45:03] that's was one of the complaints that [01:45:05] went to the future [01:45:06] a lot and that's that's that's not fair [01:45:08] for you to be able to actively pay [01:45:11] attention if you're keeping track of [01:45:13] who's in the room and you know it is [01:45:15] hard and i think audio often was poor [01:45:18] yes yes [01:45:20] people like julie [01:45:22] from the whiteboard [01:45:24] um [01:45:25] she would have trouble hearing yeah she [01:45:28] was really [01:45:30] you know of course with our masks on two [01:45:32] that that adds another yeah it's it's [01:45:34] tough [01:45:35] i guess there's uh mics that you can put [01:45:38] on the table there's a speaker it's like [01:45:40] a tiny little it's a little magnificent [01:45:42] it's just [01:45:49] yeah we'll see what happens i [01:45:52] know i think [01:45:54] kind of a nightmare but [01:45:56] we'll have to [01:46:01] if you go to the board of health usually [01:46:03] there's not anyone there you don't know [01:46:05] germany [01:46:06] or whatever [01:46:10] i don't know [01:46:11] it just it's it's a lot for the smaller [01:46:14] communities to try to manage both so [01:46:16] um [01:46:18] we'll see what happens yep we'll have to [01:46:20] do whatever [01:46:22] yeah [01:46:23] okay [01:46:38] i'm really glad that i don't have to [01:46:39] make motions anymore [01:46:41] i'll do them all day [01:46:43] and i'll take the liberty