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[00:00:00] meeting to order. I'd like to pledge
[00:00:02] allegiance to the flag.
[00:00:08] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[00:00:10] United States of America and to the
[00:00:13] republic for which it stands, one nation
[00:00:16] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[00:00:19] justice for all.
[00:00:24] Now, tonight we have a lot of minutes to
[00:00:27] go over.
[00:00:30] We have some other items. I would like
[00:00:33] to put the minutes off to the end and
[00:00:36] deal with people who are here to speak
[00:00:39] so that they don't get tangled up. No
[00:00:42] problem. And uh so uh I'd start with uh
[00:00:49] Felix and I'm sorry I don't know your
[00:00:52] last name.
[00:00:54] >> And we were interested in talking about
[00:00:56] 179 Main Street. Yes,
[00:00:58] >> the white builders. So, I'll turn it
[00:01:01] over to you.
[00:01:02] >> Yeah.
[00:01:03] >> Um, thank you for having me on the
[00:01:06] agenda today. Um,
[00:01:09] so the white building I came about it I
[00:01:11] would I own the building right next to
[00:01:13] it. Um, actually, so one has a building
[00:01:16] I own and the building right next to it
[00:01:18] is the abandoned building, right? So, I
[00:01:21] was just trying to do some work on my
[00:01:24] own property when uh Marty Henderson
[00:01:27] Almighty, the high wishing protectant,
[00:01:29] happened to be around the building. Um
[00:01:31] him and I started talking and I asked
[00:01:32] him what the story was with the building
[00:01:34] and he said it's been abandoned for a
[00:01:36] while. So, him and I kind of walked in
[00:01:38] toward the building, told him, you know,
[00:01:40] I'd be interested to see what the town
[00:01:41] would be willing to do with the
[00:01:42] building. Um, so I'm here proposing or
[00:01:46] just first of all introducing myself and
[00:01:49] you guys know who I am, but also letting
[00:01:51] you know that we are interested in
[00:01:54] pursuing that white building as um some
[00:01:58] form of housing, whether that would be
[00:02:00] some condos, whether that would be some
[00:02:02] apartments. Um, that's what our interest
[00:02:05] is. Um, I think Eric, we had met in the
[00:02:09] summer, like late summer, my wife and I
[00:02:11] met with you.
[00:02:12] >> Yeah. And um at the time there was maybe
[00:02:16] some discussions going on with the page
[00:02:17] building and we thought there were title
[00:02:19] issues that would affect all of the
[00:02:20] buildings. So we kind of put everything
[00:02:22] on hold. Um now it sounds like the page
[00:02:24] has kind of been sorted out. So I'm not
[00:02:26] sure where that building stands um in
[00:02:29] terms of that. But, uh, I really just
[00:02:32] wanted to put out what my suggestion is
[00:02:36] and, um,
[00:02:38] see if it's something I think town could
[00:02:42] benefit from having a building like that
[00:02:44] renovated, fixed up, being put back to
[00:02:47] use. Um, when I looked at it with Marty,
[00:02:49] it looked like it was in decent shape on
[00:02:52] the inside, given it's been left for 12
[00:02:55] years with no use. Mhm.
[00:02:57] >> Um,
[00:02:59] so yeah, I just want to get the RFP
[00:03:01] going or
[00:03:03] >> get a discussion of how we can, you
[00:03:07] know, find mutual agreement um to make
[00:03:09] that building back or put that building
[00:03:11] back to use.
[00:03:13] >> Well, I think we're getting close to the
[00:03:14] RFP stage with this building and another
[00:03:18] that we'll be talking about tonight. So,
[00:03:21] um, it was, uh, was it was a good time
[00:03:24] that you came and blessed us again.
[00:03:27] >> Yeah.
[00:03:27] >> Would you like to ask any questions,
[00:03:29] sir?
[00:03:30] >> And when you say we, it's just you and
[00:03:33] your wife or is it a group of people?
[00:03:35] >> No, just just my wife. Okay. Yeah, just
[00:03:43] questions at this point. I mean,
[00:03:46] um,
[00:03:48] condo like what are you like what are
[00:03:51] you kind of considering? Is it going to
[00:03:53] be low income housing, elderly housing
[00:03:56] or just housing?
[00:03:58] >> Just housing. We weren't really
[00:03:59] considering low income.
[00:04:00] >> Okay.
[00:04:01] >> Um, we're just going to make it housing.
[00:04:03] >> Mhm. Um, initial thought was about just
[00:04:06] looking at the footprint and having my
[00:04:08] engineers look at the building and and
[00:04:10] the architecture, the layout, the square
[00:04:12] footage,
[00:04:13] >> about 14 apartments.
[00:04:16] >> Mhm.
[00:04:16] >> Um, 10 to 14 apartments or we could also
[00:04:20] do some condominium style housing as
[00:04:22] well where there's bigger more units um
[00:04:26] like more bedrooms um but fewer units.
[00:04:30] Um, but that was
[00:04:33] >> Yeah, that was my initial thought.
[00:04:34] >> All right. Thank you.
[00:04:36] >> Yeah.
[00:04:39] >> Okay.
[00:04:42] >> Anybody else?
[00:04:44] >> Yes, ma'am.
[00:04:45] >> Um, where are you going to put the 14
[00:04:47] apartments?
[00:04:49] >> Same footprint of the building.
[00:04:52] >> Got the whole building and fit the 14
[00:04:55] apartments in there. So obviously this
[00:04:57] is just hypothetically what I envision
[00:05:00] doing, right? So
[00:05:03] >> how many square feet are each one of
[00:05:05] those apartments going 20 feet?
[00:05:06] >> 900 roughly. 900,000.
[00:05:13] >> Okay.
[00:05:14] >> Um are you aware of the fact that it is
[00:05:17] a historic building?
[00:05:19] >> Yeah.
[00:05:20] >> Okay. What are you going to do to
[00:05:21] preserve the historic?
[00:05:24] >> So that's where I want to work with the
[00:05:25] town, right? This is this is just the
[00:05:27] very beginning. I haven't even
[00:05:30] done a lot to look into that part of it.
[00:05:34] Uh this is just at the very beginning
[00:05:36] across.
[00:05:37] >> Are you are you aware of the fact that
[00:05:38] it's in a historic district?
[00:05:40] >> Yes, I am.
[00:05:41] >> Okay.
[00:05:44] >> That will affect what you can do on the
[00:05:46] outside of the building.
[00:05:49] >> I'm not even looking to um my plan is
[00:05:53] not to change the outside of the
[00:05:54] building. Right. I don't plan to make
[00:05:58] this some modern looking like building.
[00:06:01] Right. I'm trying to preserve as much of
[00:06:04] the building as I can. Um
[00:06:07] I've done projects where we've tried to
[00:06:11] rehabilitate. I mean, we've met with the
[00:06:13] historical community that have come
[00:06:15] looked at the building.
[00:06:15] >> Well, I'm on the historic commission.
[00:06:17] That's why I'm asking.
[00:06:18] >> Right. So I've met with people like you
[00:06:20] uh who have come on site, looked at a
[00:06:22] building,
[00:06:23] >> gone through the viability of either
[00:06:25] saving it, proposing in some situations
[00:06:28] the building is so far gone that it has
[00:06:30] to be torn down,
[00:06:32] >> but we look for things we can preserve.
[00:06:33] What can we preserve that we can put
[00:06:35] back in the building? I don't think this
[00:06:36] building is anywhere close.
[00:06:37] >> It's not. So I wouldn't I wouldn't be
[00:06:40] looking to um make drastic modifications
[00:06:44] to what's already there. It's more
[00:06:45] what's inside.
[00:06:47] Are you talking onebedroom apartments?
[00:06:50] >> So there was a consideration of majority
[00:06:52] two bedrooms. Um
[00:06:53] >> two bedrooms and 900 ft.
[00:06:55] >> Two bedrooms would be at 1,000 ft.
[00:06:56] >> 1,000 ft.
[00:06:57] >> Right. And then the one bedrooms would
[00:06:59] be
[00:07:01] more like the 800 foot range. Um you're
[00:07:05] aware of the fact that under that um
[00:07:08] allowment of apartments that certain
[00:07:09] percentage of them have to be kept as
[00:07:12] low income by uh the feds have rules and
[00:07:16] regulations.
[00:07:16] >> So yeah. So I don't know where the
[00:07:18] threshold of the town is. I don't know
[00:07:20] how much low income the town has. It
[00:07:22] depend the threshold of what's required.
[00:07:25] >> Hardook is considered a lowinccome town.
[00:07:28] >> Yeah. So the there when you do housing
[00:07:31] according to the feds there's a certain
[00:07:33] amount you have to put aside for low
[00:07:34] income. Correct gentlemen.
[00:07:36] >> There'll be u I'm sure that Felix is
[00:07:40] going to run into all sorts of reds at
[00:07:42] this point.
[00:07:44] >> It's like you said it's the beginning
[00:07:46] stages.
[00:07:46] >> Yeah. It's preliminary.
[00:07:48] >> Mhm.
[00:07:49] >> Exactly.
[00:07:50] >> We haven't even got an arrested.
[00:07:57] Thank you.
[00:07:57] >> I'm asking him questions that he may or
[00:08:00] may not know so that he can make
[00:08:02] informed decisions.
[00:08:03] >> Thank you.
[00:08:04] >> Yeah.
[00:08:06] >> Okay.
[00:08:07] >> Thank you.
[00:08:07] >> All right. Thank you so much for coming.
[00:08:09] >> All right. Thank you.
[00:08:11] >> Has
[00:08:12] just briefly.
[00:08:14] >> Would you kindly spell your last name,
[00:08:15] Felix, and and have you done something
[00:08:18] like this before?
[00:08:19] >> So, I've not done something of this
[00:08:20] magnitude before, but I have done
[00:08:22] something similar, smaller. Um, my last
[00:08:25] name is W A and I'm like Mary Be like
[00:08:28] boy. You are you
[00:08:35] home?
[00:08:36] >> I live in Southport.
[00:08:40] >> And that's Bill Cole. He's chair of the
[00:08:42] planning board.
[00:08:43] >> Yes, I'm okay. I just
[00:08:46] >> Thank you.
[00:08:46] >> Yeah, no problem.
[00:08:48] >> We got some heavy hitters in the room.
[00:08:50] That's fine. I'm just
[00:08:52] >> Mr. Chair. Yes, ma'am.
[00:08:54] >> Um, so after tonight or whatever
[00:08:56] direction that the board chooses, um, I
[00:08:58] can let uh, Felix know and whoever might
[00:09:01] be interested if that's
[00:09:05] >> okay.
[00:09:06] >> All right. Great.
[00:09:07] >> Well, thank you so much for your time.
[00:09:09] >> Thank you, sir. Appreciate it.
[00:09:14] >> Should we just go right across to a
[00:09:17] discussion on Rugles Hill Street?
[00:09:21] Sure. Yeah. No reason why you can put
[00:09:24] it.
[00:09:25] >> Did you get a you got an email from
[00:09:29] Jesus? Mr.
[00:09:30] >> Yep. I responded.
[00:09:31] >> Okay.
[00:09:35] >> Take the lead here, per se.
[00:09:38] >> Take the lead. Uh well, I assumed that
[00:09:40] um Liz was interested in talking about
[00:09:43] it or uh
[00:09:45] >> um uh the the situation is that um it's
[00:09:50] basically as we all know there's a uh a
[00:09:54] restriction on the deed and the mixture
[00:09:56] family is uh interested and wants to do
[00:10:00] the exact same thing they did with the
[00:10:01] page building is to take it back and
[00:10:03] then transfer it to another.
[00:10:05] >> You're sure of that?
[00:10:06] >> I'm sure of that.
[00:10:07] >> Okay.
[00:10:08] Okay. It's just a matter of, you know,
[00:10:11] they everybody's crossing their tees to
[00:10:13] make sure that if, you know, we put in
[00:10:17] this amount of time and effort that this
[00:10:20] will come to pass because the mixers
[00:10:22] don't want to spend astronomical amounts
[00:10:24] of money and neither do I.
[00:10:28] >> Okay.
[00:10:30] >> Mr. Chair, in your packet is a
[00:10:32] correspondence from town council
[00:10:33] regarding the deed.
[00:10:37] read it. What does it say?
[00:10:41] >> Yeah, you want to It basically says that
[00:10:45] um
[00:10:47] their right to revert the property is
[00:10:51] expired.
[00:10:52] >> It's kind of like the page building, but
[00:10:54] it's on the D
[00:10:57] >> and the D is in your packet.
[00:10:58] >> Okay. So, we had the same exact language
[00:11:01] on the page and then we ran into we
[00:11:03] couldn't get around it. We had to give
[00:11:05] it back to the next, right? So, but the
[00:11:08] attorney saying that the their right of
[00:11:11] that has expired and whether it has or
[00:11:14] hasn't I don't know. It's was mentioned
[00:11:20] >> if I remember correctly that's the exact
[00:11:21] same thing they said on the page.
[00:11:23] Correct.
[00:11:25] >> So,
[00:11:27] we start an RFP. We'll find out pretty
[00:11:31] quick.
[00:11:32] >> Yeah.
[00:11:32] >> If that's the case.
[00:11:33] >> Right. And we don't want to spend a
[00:11:35] whole lot of money on label on this.
[00:11:37] >> No.
[00:11:37] >> At all.
[00:11:38] >> Spend a little
[00:11:39] >> quite a bit on the page building.
[00:11:41] >> Well, that's what I mean. All to find
[00:11:42] out that we had to give a building. So,
[00:11:45] >> right.
[00:11:47] >> So, we make sure that the title is clear
[00:11:48] and as you say
[00:11:51] and we
[00:11:55] need to sit and think of how to put what
[00:11:58] to put in the RFP.
[00:12:01] So, I guess tonight or if you if you
[00:12:05] could tell me which one you want to do
[00:12:06] first cuz I if it's 179 or if it's
[00:12:10] Rugles, um
[00:12:13] just some direction from the board and I
[00:12:14] can draft something and I can um have
[00:12:17] you guys look at it at at the next
[00:12:19] meeting. But I just need to know which
[00:12:20] one because I can't do both. I'm already
[00:12:22] working on the IT one.
[00:12:25] >> So, the title is clear on 179.
[00:12:29] >> Yep. Uh Katie um attorney Klein had
[00:12:34] >> right that's was a school in the town
[00:12:36] and it hasn't moved so
[00:12:39] >> right that property has been clear for a
[00:12:41] while see
[00:12:46] >> so um should we proceed that way come up
[00:12:50] with two RFPs before our next meeting
[00:12:53] >> I can't do the I can't do both of them
[00:12:54] at your next meeting so I have to do the
[00:12:56] IT one but I can do one of them for your
[00:12:58] next meeting a draft Yeah.
[00:12:59] >> Well, let's do the uh uh the Ruggles
[00:13:03] Hills Road School
[00:13:07] and we have to contact D.
[00:13:11] We have to know that we're clear there,
[00:13:13] >> right?
[00:13:14] Well,
[00:13:14] >> I I you know, in what I've I've done in
[00:13:18] research, um you can basically piggy
[00:13:20] back off of everything you did on the
[00:13:22] page without spending any astronomical
[00:13:26] amounts of money as long as the board
[00:13:29] agrees to do that and votes in favor of
[00:13:32] doing that.
[00:13:33] >> But we still have to get the okay from D
[00:13:36] that it's a legal lot for us to develop
[00:13:39] or it's too close to the well. Um, well,
[00:13:42] do you want information on that?
[00:13:44] >> Because I did that research back 10
[00:13:47] years ago.
[00:13:48] >> Does it still hold? Do you think
[00:13:50] >> it what the situation is according to D
[00:13:53] is that they they don't care. All right.
[00:13:57] Um, and
[00:14:00] correct me if I'm wrong, the tax maps
[00:14:02] cut your well out. The survey from 2014
[00:14:07] does not cut the well out. Okay. Was
[00:14:09] there a survey done after 2014,
[00:14:13] Justine? Was there one done in the last
[00:14:15] couple of years on all of the buildings?
[00:14:17] >> Uh, we use Gary Lamper. I don't think
[00:14:19] so.
[00:14:20] >> Okay. Well, from 2014, it's a dotted
[00:14:23] line cutting out the wellwater. When I
[00:14:26] talked to D, they said there's a
[00:14:29] setback. Okay. at this particular point
[00:14:33] when you go by their rules and their
[00:14:34] regulations 150 ft if I recall that goes
[00:14:39] about a foot into the corner of one of
[00:14:42] the building. Um when I talked to DP
[00:14:46] they said that um well who wants the
[00:14:50] building? Okay. And I I explained to
[00:14:52] them what we were going to do. He says
[00:14:54] what is going to take place on that
[00:14:55] side? I said it's only going to be
[00:14:56] gardens. He says, "Would you like me to
[00:14:59] take the the setback out of the
[00:15:01] building?" I said, "Well, it would be
[00:15:02] helpful when I paint the building so I
[00:15:04] don't have to ask you for permission."
[00:15:06] Okay. So DP said as long as the building
[00:15:10] was going to
[00:15:12] sit it because it's still within the
[00:15:15] zone as long as it wasn't going to be a
[00:15:17] auto repair facility. It wasn't going to
[00:15:19] do any of the things that they prohibit
[00:15:22] in their zone
[00:15:23] >> and it was basically going to stay
[00:15:26] within the same
[00:15:29] general makeup what that building's
[00:15:31] always been which is a school because
[00:15:33] we're going to do educational things out
[00:15:35] of there. They were perfectly fine with
[00:15:37] four set back up. They, you know, in my
[00:15:41] opinion, and I don't think that the
[00:15:43] mixers care at this point, my nonprofit
[00:15:47] is ultimately going to get that
[00:15:48] building. I am more than happy to argue
[00:15:51] with D down the line because I don't
[00:15:53] think it's going to be an argument.
[00:15:56] um and that the town does not have to go
[00:15:59] through whatever they have to do to get
[00:16:02] that set back pulled out like 5 ft or 10
[00:16:05] ft.
[00:16:07] But that is the situation. It's just a
[00:16:09] matter of they because it's in the the
[00:16:12] water situation, but I'm going to be in
[00:16:14] the same situation. I'm going to be
[00:16:15] planting like blueberries and peaches
[00:16:17] there and doing organic farming and
[00:16:19] gardening in that area. So, I don't want
[00:16:22] any problems either, and that's only
[00:16:23] going to help the wells,
[00:16:26] >> right? Um, still, I'd like to I think we
[00:16:31] should investigate a little bit with the
[00:16:34] EP and make sure what still goes
[00:16:37] >> what you just explained.
[00:16:38] >> And I remember Justine saying something
[00:16:40] at one of one of these situations that
[00:16:43] she had uh talked to D and they were
[00:16:46] willing to pull the setback out of the
[00:16:48] building.
[00:16:50] That's still
[00:16:50] >> we have to I'm sorry.
[00:16:53] >> We'll do that. We'll call him I'll call
[00:16:54] him and and we'll talk to him.
[00:16:57] >> Can do you mind if I just pay you back
[00:16:59] on this real quick?
[00:17:00] >> Sure.
[00:17:00] >> Um so any sort of disposition of
[00:17:03] property, any sort of real estate
[00:17:04] transaction, we need to have our town
[00:17:06] council involved. You know, that's, you
[00:17:08] know, why we we have them to,
[00:17:10] >> you know, advocate for us on our behalf.
[00:17:13] Like they work for us. Um,
[00:17:17] >> so you're suggesting we get our town
[00:17:19] council to talk to DE?
[00:17:21] >> No, I'm suggesting that we do our due
[00:17:22] diligence as a town. Um, I have contacts
[00:17:24] with them, just dealing with them on the
[00:17:26] sewer project side of it. Um, but I
[00:17:30] highly recommend that we follow the
[00:17:32] advice this time from our town council.
[00:17:34] I mean, they do this for over 200 towns
[00:17:36] in the Commonwealth. You know, reading
[00:17:40] these correspondences, I think the board
[00:17:42] should take them seriously.
[00:17:44] Well, we did take them seriously for the
[00:17:47] page building. We spent about what 6,500
[00:17:49] in legal only to give up the page
[00:17:51] building.
[00:17:52] >> But by the board that wasn't that was
[00:17:54] not the recommendation of town council
[00:17:56] or court or to go to court and fight
[00:17:59] this decision,
[00:17:59] >> right?
[00:18:00] >> That was the option,
[00:18:02] >> right? We didn't know that we had
[00:18:03] trouble until we got into it.
[00:18:05] >> So, I'm just saying I
[00:18:08] >> we already know our legal bills.
[00:18:10] >> Yes.
[00:18:11] >> Y right. I mean, and I I get it. We want
[00:18:15] to take the legal advice, but we can
[00:18:18] read the deed. If that restriction's on
[00:18:19] the deed,
[00:18:22] what do we do?
[00:18:23] >> Sounds just like the page,
[00:18:25] >> right? So, I I would, you know, I'd
[00:18:28] recommend that you actually reach out to
[00:18:30] the Mixster Trust and say because
[00:18:32] ultimately we're only going to give it
[00:18:34] to them and what they do with that
[00:18:36] property is the same like they chose to
[00:18:38] do with the page builder,
[00:18:41] >> you know, cuz once we give it to the
[00:18:42] mixer trust, that's it. The town's
[00:18:44] >> town. We can't say, "Oh, pass it on to
[00:18:48] this person. I'll pass it on to that."
[00:18:50] We lose all control over it. But we give
[00:18:52] it to them because it's on the deed.
[00:18:59] >> Well, let's see the deed.
[00:19:00] >> Right. Okay. We'll review it.
[00:19:03] >> It's in your packet.
[00:19:04] >> Okay. All right. You want to block
[00:19:06] together an RFP?
[00:19:08] >> I can work on one. I'll draft something
[00:19:10] for your next building before our next
[00:19:11] meeting.
[00:19:12] >> Yeah.
[00:19:12] >> And then we'll know what we're talking
[00:19:14] about.
[00:19:16] >> This was my question though, sir. On the
[00:19:18] RFP.
[00:19:19] If we can't sell the building, we can
[00:19:21] only give it to the next trust.
[00:19:23] >> Well, if that's the way that's the deed
[00:19:25] is written,
[00:19:26] >> right?
[00:19:27] >> Right.
[00:19:28] >> So then why do an RP? You know what I
[00:19:31] mean? We should read the the deed and
[00:19:33] and have town council or you know, we
[00:19:38] read it and say, is it the same
[00:19:39] language? Is are we going to have to
[00:19:41] give this back to the next trust?
[00:19:44] >> Well, that's the thing. Why do the R
[00:19:47] >> cuz if we why do an RFP?
[00:19:49] >> Why do the RFP if we're only going to
[00:19:51] end up in the same position again?
[00:19:55] >> So what do you want to do now? Read the
[00:19:57] deed and figure it out.
[00:20:00] >> I in my opinion,
[00:20:03] you know, with all due respect, Liz,
[00:20:06] >> we should be looking at the 179 Main
[00:20:09] Street
[00:20:11] RFP because that's clear. It's clear
[00:20:15] title. We We own the building.
[00:20:20] We should
[00:20:22] get our ducks more in a row.
[00:20:25] Figure out what we want to do with the
[00:20:27] Rugles School.
[00:20:29] >> I think that's a good idea.
[00:20:31] >> Well, we can reach out to D. We can
[00:20:33] reach out to the Minister Trust and we
[00:20:34] can read the dean and if we have any
[00:20:36] questions, we can run by town council.
[00:20:38] We don't need to waste our uh
[00:20:40] >> right resource of resources to do an RFP
[00:20:43] that might not do anything. That's
[00:20:46] >> all right. So, we make some calls. We
[00:20:48] read the deed.
[00:20:49] >> We talk about it at our next meeting and
[00:20:51] decide which way we're going to jump.
[00:20:53] >> Exactly.
[00:20:54] >> So, don't do don't work on something.
[00:20:55] Prepare for your next.
[00:20:57] >> Okay.
[00:20:57] >> Just the Rugles not the Rugles Hill
[00:21:00] School, but 179 Main Street.
[00:21:02] >> So, you do want a draft of that one.
[00:21:04] Okay. I want to make sure I understand
[00:21:06] where Okay. Yeah. Don't write up an RFP
[00:21:08] for school.
[00:21:09] >> Um, Mr. Chair, do you mind if I ask a
[00:21:11] quick question?
[00:21:12] >> Um, Bill, if you want, I can set up a
[00:21:15] call with town council if you want to
[00:21:16] talk to them about Rugles in the
[00:21:17] meantime, too. Like if to make if you
[00:21:20] want to be get more comfortable and get
[00:21:22] your head wrapped around what they're
[00:21:23] saying. I absolutely don't mind doing
[00:21:25] that. You just have to let me know.
[00:21:27] >> Okay.
[00:21:28] >> Okay. I mean, I'll I'll look at the deed
[00:21:30] and everything.
[00:21:31] >> I'd like to go through it, too.
[00:21:32] >> Right. I haven't had
[00:21:34] >> the least we can call town council at
[00:21:36] this point. Right.
[00:21:37] >> Yeah.
[00:21:38] >> I don't
[00:21:39] >> Well, there
[00:21:41] we're going to have to ask,
[00:21:42] >> right? But they're clear, concise,
[00:21:44] >> clear, concise questions.
[00:21:46] >> Yes,
[00:21:48] >> Bill.
[00:21:49] >> Thank you. Um,
[00:21:52] I'm not 100% sure about this, but I
[00:21:54] think that the with the page building,
[00:21:58] um, the deed clearly said, you know, go
[00:22:02] the mixers have the right to provide for
[00:22:03] a dollar.
[00:22:05] >> Correct.
[00:22:05] >> And there was the question, well, did
[00:22:07] that expire or not? I think I think our
[00:22:09] town council said that's expired, but I
[00:22:11] think the the buyers, the friends of the
[00:22:13] page,
[00:22:15] um, their attorney or title company or
[00:22:18] something said, "No, we We won't accept
[00:22:20] that. You won't be able to accomplish
[00:22:22] this unless the mixers unless it goes
[00:22:25] through their right of first take it for
[00:22:28] the dollar and then and then donate.
[00:22:30] >> So they did that. I don't think there
[00:22:32] was a mixer trust until that
[00:22:35] >> need arose. So that so they
[00:22:38] >> created among the living beneficiaries
[00:22:40] or whatever uh and then transferred in
[00:22:42] that fashion. So one question would be
[00:22:45] and I guess here you've already looked
[00:22:47] at the deed is it is the language
[00:22:49] exactly the same? If it is then it seems
[00:22:52] like that one of the next questions
[00:22:54] would be does the buyer whoever that is
[00:22:59] um
[00:23:00] are they able to are they
[00:23:04] able to take the property and buy the
[00:23:08] property without the concern that the
[00:23:10] that the friends of the page have? In
[00:23:12] other words, does it have to go through
[00:23:14] the page through the mixtures at all?
[00:23:17] Because I don't I don't think the mixers
[00:23:19] would have cared if if it wasn't
[00:23:23] the opinion of the buyers that it had to
[00:23:25] go that route. So anyway, maybe maybe
[00:23:27] you do need that when it if it gets down
[00:23:29] to the RFP stage. I would just have this
[00:23:31] question. Liz has mentioned how things
[00:23:33] in historic district or historic
[00:23:35] buildings
[00:23:37] um need to be mentioned. Um, so in any
[00:23:41] RFP about either of these properties, I
[00:23:44] guess that would be part of it. Sort of
[00:23:46] do your own diligence, but recognize
[00:23:48] that it's in an historic district. Um, I
[00:23:52] don't think, I may be wrong about this,
[00:23:54] but I don't think that there is any
[00:23:56] requirement to have uh sustain
[00:24:01] this uh subsidized housing provided in
[00:24:05] in a development.
[00:24:07] >> Um, doesn't have to be. We we have
[00:24:09] essentially none of that in town and it
[00:24:11] could continue that way. It puts us at
[00:24:13] risk for some other kinds of expedited
[00:24:15] developments, you know, that that could
[00:24:17] come our way. But, uh, if people know
[00:24:21] that and they're looking at an RP, then
[00:24:23] I think that they could, you know, could
[00:24:26] do their own diligence from there and
[00:24:28] maybe come up with an idea.
[00:24:30] >> Okay. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Um
[00:24:35] basically um I I understand you know
[00:24:39] that you have to do the due diligence.
[00:24:40] The deed um says that if the building is
[00:24:44] not being used by the town, they have to
[00:24:46] go back to the heirs
[00:24:48] um and the heirs being the same people
[00:24:51] that uh go
[00:24:54] you trickle down to the to the next
[00:24:56] trust. Okay. Um, and if if this going to
[00:25:03] be going this way, um, you know, you
[00:25:06] spend $6,500 on the page, why would you
[00:25:09] why would you spend anything to fight
[00:25:12] something that is going to be,
[00:25:16] I mean, kind of a losing battle in some
[00:25:18] ways because, you know,
[00:25:19] >> well, it was triggered by an offer or we
[00:25:23] were in the process of trying to sell
[00:25:25] it.
[00:25:25] >> Mhm. and found out that that was not the
[00:25:27] way to go. So at this point,
[00:25:31] >> well, I think you know,
[00:25:32] >> we have to most people will look at a
[00:25:35] lot of people would look at that deed
[00:25:37] from the mixers and it would raise the
[00:25:40] same red flags. Okay, I I my nonprofit
[00:25:44] is not raising the red flags, okay?
[00:25:47] Because um we're not going to mess with
[00:25:51] the building or anything like that,
[00:25:52] okay? Um and
[00:25:55] and wait.
[00:25:56] >> You're going to re you're planning to
[00:25:59] >> get a hold of this building and fix it.
[00:26:02] >> Yeah. We're going to fix it back to
[00:26:03] where it's going to look just like it
[00:26:05] did before.
[00:26:05] >> Renovate it. And you're going to You
[00:26:08] were talking community kitchen and
[00:26:10] glasses and all sorts of great stuff.
[00:26:12] >> Mhm.
[00:26:13] >> And there's a group behind you.
[00:26:15] >> This is what
[00:26:16] >> a group of people behind you to do this.
[00:26:18] >> Yes.
[00:26:20] >> Okay. I mean, we're already we're
[00:26:22] already in the, you know, we've gone and
[00:26:24] filed for our 501c3. We're already uh
[00:26:28] investigating grants, which, you know, I
[00:26:31] can't go and put in yet because I don't
[00:26:34] want to have to explain if I have to
[00:26:36] give them back, you know. So, um it's
[00:26:40] it's that type of situation. I mean,
[00:26:42] we're ready, willing, and able to um fix
[00:26:46] that building. Same situation.
[00:26:49] >> All right. So, we're going to read the
[00:26:50] deed.
[00:26:52] We're going to contact D. Make sure that
[00:26:54] this is still doable.
[00:26:56] >> Yep.
[00:26:57] >> We're focusing on Rugles Hill Road.
[00:27:01] >> I thought it was 179.
[00:27:03] >> 179 Main Street in Gilbertville. We're
[00:27:06] focusing on for the RFP.
[00:27:08] >> For the RFP.
[00:27:09] >> Before we do an RFP on this, we have to
[00:27:13] figure out
[00:27:14] >> I'm going to call D and we'll follow
[00:27:16] that down. We'll read the deed and
[00:27:20] and we come up with an RFP for the white
[00:27:22] building
[00:27:22] >> and I'll have it on your agenda for the
[00:27:24] next meeting.
[00:27:25] >> Okay. Agreeable.
[00:27:27] >> Reach. Should we reach out to Mr. Trust
[00:27:30] if you'd like?
[00:27:31] >> Okay. Sure. You want to do that?
[00:27:34] >> Sure.
[00:27:34] >> I'll give you the contact.
[00:27:36] >> Okay.
[00:27:37] >> Um and just just so that Justin just so
[00:27:40] you know, there's at least two RFPs that
[00:27:41] are already been written for that
[00:27:42] building.
[00:27:43] >> I've seen I've seen them. Do you mind if
[00:27:45] I respond to what Mr. poll said.
[00:27:49] >> Thanks. Um, so you're talking about
[00:27:51] chapter 40b, which is the um the 10%
[00:27:54] that we're required to have for lower
[00:27:57] than housing. I actually don't know off
[00:27:58] the top made the percentage of what
[00:28:00] Hardwick has. Um,
[00:28:01] >> less than 1%,
[00:28:02] >> but that's a it was stated that it was a
[00:28:05] federal law. It's actually a state law.
[00:28:07] Um, and we actually that would not be
[00:28:10] triggered by someone wanting to come in
[00:28:13] and put in condos. So, I just wanted to
[00:28:15] make sure
[00:28:15] >> condos I don't know. It wouldn't have
[00:28:18] isn't attributed by apartments.
[00:28:20] >> No, not at all. Um,
[00:28:22] >> number of units.
[00:28:22] >> No. And just cuz it was um talked about
[00:28:26] historic district. Um so when I put
[00:28:29] together the one for the RFP for the
[00:28:31] page building, I actually worked with
[00:28:32] Paula who is very knowledgeable and the
[00:28:38] historic nature and the historic
[00:28:40] districts and all the facts and
[00:28:42] information that she gathered for me. Um
[00:28:44] so that I'm sure I'm hoping that you'll
[00:28:46] help me with this one too. So yeah, um
[00:28:48] that's the historic nature of these
[00:28:50] buildings is covered by what I consider
[00:28:53] to be an expert.
[00:28:58] >> Yeah.
[00:28:59] >> One thing chair um you did mention
[00:29:04] we we didn't put on an RFP on this
[00:29:06] property and that's what happened with
[00:29:08] the page by us trying to sell that
[00:29:09] property. Excuse me. By us trying to
[00:29:12] sell that property is what triggered the
[00:29:14] actual reversal. We haven't technically
[00:29:17] done anything to trigger that reversal.
[00:29:20] >> That's what I was asking. How do we
[00:29:21] trigger that?
[00:29:22] >> Right. But that's why we just ask the
[00:29:24] mixer trust. We we give it to you. Find
[00:29:27] out.
[00:29:27] >> Yeah. Good.
[00:29:28] >> We'll just give it to you and and then
[00:29:30] you do what you want to do with that
[00:29:32] property.
[00:29:34] >> Right.
[00:29:36] >> So, it saves us from doing an RFP,
[00:29:38] triggering it, and then them showing up
[00:29:40] saying, "Hey, we want it."
[00:29:41] >> Right.
[00:29:42] >> You know that. I think they add to it
[00:29:45] anyway.
[00:29:46] >> Just make it easy,
[00:29:47] >> right?
[00:29:48] >> All right. I'm still going to call D.
[00:29:49] >> Yep.
[00:29:50] >> Oh, absolutely.
[00:29:51] >> Yeah.
[00:29:53] >> It's a town. Well,
[00:29:55] >> town.
[00:29:56] >> Yeah. We don't want to give that away.
[00:30:01] >> Okay.
[00:30:03] Okay. Um, I guess we'll keep going.
[00:30:07] Cemetery commission.
[00:30:09] >> Which item? There's three of them. Is it
[00:30:12] take them in order discussion and vote
[00:30:15] on cemetery commission revolving
[00:30:18] account?
[00:30:23] >> So the cemetery commission has had a um
[00:30:26] has a revolving account even before I
[00:30:29] went on the commission which was
[00:30:31] probably five or six years ago. And in
[00:30:34] the revolving account um and I do have
[00:30:37] the certification from Ryan. It's this
[00:30:40] piece of paper right here.
[00:30:41] >> Yep. It's in your packets.
[00:30:43] >> Yep. And um so under the cemetery
[00:30:46] commission, we can only withdraw $5,000
[00:30:51] of any money that is in the revolving
[00:30:54] fund
[00:30:56] today.
[00:31:02] That would be this piece of paper and it
[00:31:06] was from um the town accountant. Today
[00:31:09] we have $11,767.36
[00:31:14] in the revolving fund. But in this 26
[00:31:18] fiscal year, we can only spend $5,000
[00:31:23] of that $11,700.
[00:31:27] >> Mhm. So, um, we would like we would we
[00:31:31] are asking the select then to and the
[00:31:34] finance committee to vote that we can
[00:31:37] spend up to $11,000
[00:31:40] in this fiscal year,
[00:31:43] both the finance committee and the
[00:31:45] select, and let the town accountant
[00:31:47] know,
[00:31:47] >> yes,
[00:31:48] >> that we can spend up to $11,000
[00:31:51] in this fiscal year. and at the annual
[00:31:54] town meeting because that's the only
[00:31:56] time that you can make changes to the
[00:31:59] revolving fund unless the finance
[00:32:02] committee is selected through the first
[00:32:04] fiscal year vote um differently um that
[00:32:09] we could spend up to $11,000. When the
[00:32:12] town meeting comes, we will ask the town
[00:32:14] meeting, we will put it right in the in
[00:32:17] our um revolving fund that we're going
[00:32:19] to now spend up to $11,000. And just to
[00:32:22] let you know,
[00:32:26] in prior years,
[00:32:28] we have never raised
[00:32:31] $11,000
[00:32:34] in a in a fiscal year. That $5,000 limit
[00:32:39] that we have had in the revolving fund
[00:32:42] has always been enough of money because
[00:32:45] that's all that we've earned in that
[00:32:47] fiscal year from July 1st to December
[00:32:52] 31st of 25.
[00:32:55] We earned $11,000. We have had a very
[00:32:59] very busy six first six months of this
[00:33:05] fiscal year. with deaths, burials,
[00:33:09] whether they be cremations or full
[00:33:11] burials, as well as monuments,
[00:33:15] and ground markers. Because for a
[00:33:17] monument or a ground marker,
[00:33:20] we require a footing that the people who
[00:33:24] own the um the lot have to pay for. So
[00:33:28] we have had a a bonus year of a lot of
[00:33:32] burials and footings that we have had to
[00:33:35] put in. So we have a lot of things that
[00:33:38] that we could do at the cemetery.
[00:33:41] That's why I'm asking if you could raise
[00:33:44] our
[00:33:45] um revolving amount to this to $11,000.
[00:33:51] >> Bill, but
[00:33:51] >> this wouldn't take effect until next
[00:33:54] fiscal year. No, it would take effect
[00:33:56] once the f the the the um the accountant
[00:34:00] has the vote of the selectman and the
[00:34:02] finance committee.
[00:34:03] >> Okay. So you're looking
[00:34:05] >> and I did give you a copy also
[00:34:10] >> right here of the of the our town bylaw
[00:34:15] which allows the finance committee and
[00:34:18] and selectment during the fiscal year to
[00:34:21] raise the amount of money that a
[00:34:25] committee can take out of the revolving
[00:34:28] fund. It's it's right here.
[00:34:30] >> Okay.
[00:34:33] And just to clarify, Paula, you're
[00:34:35] asking for 11,500,
[00:34:37] >> right? I'm sorry. That is what it is.
[00:34:42] >> Right now.
[00:34:44] >> Well, they have
[00:34:46] >> Well, all they need is our approval,
[00:34:49] >> right? And it's money that we've raised.
[00:34:51] I mean, it's not it's not any town money
[00:34:53] or anything.
[00:34:54] >> So, uh
[00:34:55] >> Well, Fin Comm will be here next week.
[00:34:58] Yeah. Monday. Could we do it at that
[00:35:00] meeting?
[00:35:02] >> We could do it right here tonight.
[00:35:03] >> We could do it right here right now.
[00:35:05] >> Just remind them to do their vote.
[00:35:07] >> When do they uh
[00:35:08] >> on Monday,
[00:35:08] >> next joint meeting?
[00:35:10] >> Monday. Does that you guys have your
[00:35:12] joint meeting? Um I can talk to the
[00:35:14] chair prior to the meeting and make sure
[00:35:16] it gets on his agenda as well.
[00:35:18] >> Okay.
[00:35:20] >> So, do you want to do that? Do our part
[00:35:23] tonight.
[00:35:23] >> Sure.
[00:35:24] >> Okay. I make a motion that we raise the
[00:35:27] uh limit that the cemetery commission
[00:35:32] can take out of their revolving fund to
[00:35:34] $11,500.
[00:35:37] >> I'll second a motion. Further
[00:35:39] discussion.
[00:35:41] Okay. All in favor?
[00:35:42] >> I I
[00:35:48] your next item, ma'am.
[00:35:51] >> The mowing contract.
[00:35:54] Um
[00:35:56] so um the cemetery commission met and we
[00:36:01] voted to award the bid for the mowing
[00:36:05] and caretaking of the cemeteries and
[00:36:07] comment to Larry Creier in the amount of
[00:36:11] $25,500.
[00:36:14] That is $1,000 more than what she did
[00:36:18] last year.
[00:36:21] Um,
[00:36:23] and the year before, that was in fiscal
[00:36:26] year
[00:36:28] 24,
[00:36:30] she went down. She was $500 less. Last
[00:36:34] year, she she was the same amount, and
[00:36:38] this year she's bringing it up to
[00:36:39] 25,500.
[00:36:42] I did send the RFP out to
[00:36:45] some of the local
[00:36:48] landscapers in the area
[00:36:50] and for the past four or five years
[00:36:53] she's been the only one who bids and I
[00:36:56] think that the reason that the local
[00:36:59] landscapers aren't interested in our bid
[00:37:03] is because it's not only the mowing of
[00:37:06] the cemeteries common
[00:37:09] it's also um picking up all of the
[00:37:14] branches and everything that falls
[00:37:17] throughout the whole year. If we want to
[00:37:20] have grass planted or
[00:37:23] anything done to the um lawns that we're
[00:37:28] in charge of, they do that. The same
[00:37:32] thing with when we have a burial, we
[00:37:35] usually leave all of the flowers from a
[00:37:37] funeral there for a couple weeks. they
[00:37:40] have to come back, pick up the flowers,
[00:37:42] and bring them to our
[00:37:45] graveyard, for lack of a better word.
[00:37:49] Um, also, if for some reason
[00:37:53] the people who do our our burial digging
[00:37:58] for us are not available, they would
[00:38:01] have to come in and do the b do the
[00:38:03] digging for the burials. And there's
[00:38:06] numerous other jobs. Anyways, the local
[00:38:08] landscapers, they just want to come in
[00:38:10] and mow and get the hang out and uh that
[00:38:13] that isn't what we require. We require a
[00:38:15] lot more and they have to use their own
[00:38:19] equipment, their own gas.
[00:38:22] We don't provide them with anything
[00:38:24] whatsoever.
[00:38:28] >> Lori Corvier is
[00:38:31] going to do all of those things.
[00:38:33] >> That's correct. Right. Yeah, we've been
[00:38:34] very happy. Yep. And if we haven't been
[00:38:38] if there has been a problem, we've just
[00:38:40] talked it over and they take care of it
[00:38:42] right away.
[00:38:43] >> Okay. Okay. That's great.
[00:38:47] >> All right. I'll make a motion to award
[00:38:50] the uh mowing of cemeteries and common
[00:38:53] area contract to Lorie Crevier of Barry
[00:38:58] Mass.
[00:39:00] >> 25,500.
[00:39:02] >> I'll second it. Okay. All in favor?
[00:39:05] >> I.
[00:39:09] >> All right, we have one more.
[00:39:11] >> I have one more.
[00:39:13] >> Yeah, we have a an appointment of Frank
[00:39:16] Hansen.
[00:39:17] >> Right. We've had a vacancy on the
[00:39:20] cemetery
[00:39:22] for almost a year and a half now. Um
[00:39:25] Benny Hansen was the um was a member of
[00:39:29] our board
[00:39:31] and over this period of time we'd asked
[00:39:35] different people to come on board.
[00:39:38] People were always hesitant because we
[00:39:39] kind of explained to them that we are a
[00:39:42] working board. We're the ones who sell
[00:39:44] the lots. We're the ones when there's a
[00:39:46] burial. We work with the funeral parlors
[00:39:50] and mark out where the where the digging
[00:39:52] has to take place.
[00:39:55] Um
[00:39:57] um we take care of all of the money that
[00:40:00] comes in depositing it into the um um
[00:40:04] various accounts that we have.
[00:40:07] Um we're just a working board. And um
[00:40:12] >> who else is on it?
[00:40:14] >> Jimmy Sweat. Jimmy is the chairman and
[00:40:17] I'm the clerk.
[00:40:19] >> Mhm. Jimmy's been on the board probably
[00:40:22] >> for about eight years now at least.
[00:40:24] Yeah. He's been on longer than I have.
[00:40:26] >> Yeah. And we both still like it and
[00:40:28] everything. And really what we're
[00:40:30] looking for is a working member who's
[00:40:32] going to who's going to be available on
[00:40:34] a Monday or on a Saturday or Tuesday or
[00:40:38] or something like that. you know, if
[00:40:40] somebody passes away, especially if it's
[00:40:42] a full burial,
[00:40:44] usually within two or three or 4 days,
[00:40:46] they want that burial to happen. So, and
[00:40:50] we're busy getting the records out,
[00:40:53] measuring to make sure that there's room
[00:40:55] for this person in this particular lot,
[00:40:58] marking it out,
[00:41:01] contacting our the gravedigger, making
[00:41:04] sure that the lot that the um hole is
[00:41:07] dug for the burial,
[00:41:09] closing it up, planting, putting the
[00:41:12] lawn down, the loom down, grass seed.
[00:41:16] This there's a lot of work, you know. So
[00:41:18] we had four people who were interested.
[00:41:21] Um and on the weekend before the
[00:41:25] cemetery commission met, one of the
[00:41:28] gentlemen who was interested called me
[00:41:32] to say that he was withdrawing his name.
[00:41:35] But Jimmy via the telephone
[00:41:39] talked to all four members and told them
[00:41:44] what he does his part.
[00:41:47] I met with two of those four gentlemen
[00:41:51] and they came upstairs to my office and
[00:41:55] I went over with them what I do so that
[00:41:58] so that they would have a good picture
[00:42:00] of what goes on that we do.
[00:42:04] So, um, when Jimmy and I met, we just
[00:42:06] really felt that, um, Frank Hansen was
[00:42:10] going to be the one who was going to
[00:42:11] have the time,
[00:42:14] um, to put in to work with us, be
[00:42:16] available when we need somebody to be
[00:42:18] available. So, that's why we we voted
[00:42:21] unanimously to bring his name up before
[00:42:24] the board of selectment.
[00:42:27] >> Thanks,
[00:42:30] Standing. Yeah, right. I I have no
[00:42:32] issues that I uh I make a motion to
[00:42:36] appoint Frank Hansen as the third member
[00:42:38] of the Hardwick Cemetery Commission.
[00:42:42] >> Seconded.
[00:42:46] >> All in favor?
[00:42:47] >> I
[00:42:48] >> Thank you, gentlemen.
[00:42:49] >> Thank you.
[00:42:49] >> Thank you, Mayor.
[00:42:55] >> Mr. Chair.
[00:42:56] >> Yes.
[00:42:57] >> Paul's here. Can I ask one question?
[00:42:59] >> Absolutely. I was just a little
[00:43:00] uncertain about what you're saying about
[00:43:01] the annual town meeting and the now
[00:43:04] increased $11,000 that the commission
[00:43:07] take out. Well, here's the question. Oh,
[00:43:10] sure. So, the the motion was to do that
[00:43:12] for this current fiscal year and then
[00:43:14] also at the at the end meeting you would
[00:43:17] >> this would
[00:43:20] confirm the vote of the board of select
[00:43:22] new finance committee, right? and it
[00:43:24] would leave our
[00:43:26] our um limit from from the annual town
[00:43:32] meeting forward at $11,000 even if we
[00:43:35] didn't raise $11,000.
[00:43:38] But we would be able to spend up to
[00:43:40] $11,000 in our revolving fund.
[00:43:43] >> You're not needing to spend that money
[00:43:45] in this fiscal year. You are this year
[00:43:48] before that.
[00:43:49] >> Absolutely. Oh yeah.
[00:43:52] >> What do you What do you intend to spend
[00:43:54] it on? I know that it's late. We would
[00:43:56] like to um take out some more
[00:44:01] um stumps
[00:44:04] that whenever it seems in the past
[00:44:08] whenever a tree came down whether the
[00:44:11] cemetery commissioners, not us, but
[00:44:14] prior cemetery commissioners had a tree
[00:44:16] taken down or if because of the weather,
[00:44:19] winds and everything, a tree fell,
[00:44:22] they would have the tree removed. the
[00:44:26] fallen tree removed, but they would
[00:44:27] leave the stumps there. And so that is
[00:44:31] something that we're going to do is take
[00:44:33] out some more stumps.
[00:44:35] Also, some more trees. We would like to
[00:44:38] have some more trees taken down,
[00:44:40] chipped, and the stumps removed. Also,
[00:44:44] um, and I know you're not going to know
[00:44:45] where I'm talking about, but anyways, in
[00:44:47] section 10 along the stone wall, um,
[00:44:51] we're hoping that we're going to have
[00:44:54] enough of money to have somebody come in
[00:44:57] with the right equipment and dig all of
[00:45:00] that up and then plant grass and make it
[00:45:03] nice and level so that we would be able
[00:45:06] to sell that particular area
[00:45:11] for um, burial plots.
[00:45:14] >> Okay, thank you.
[00:45:15] >> And then we had, you know, there's some
[00:45:17] of the areas of the grass area that
[00:45:20] really need some attention with the
[00:45:23] right kind of fertilizer and ant
[00:45:27] removal, whatever you do and and and
[00:45:30] more um grass planting.
[00:45:32] >> There's plenty nothing has ever been
[00:45:34] done at that cemetery. Nothing, you
[00:45:37] know.
[00:45:38] >> So, we're just trying to pick out the
[00:45:41] the biggest things. Sometimes a stone
[00:45:43] pillar gets knocked over in a tornado
[00:45:45] and has to be repaired,
[00:45:46] >> right? You know all about that. Yeah. So
[00:45:49] >> great. Mhm.
[00:45:50] >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
[00:45:52] >> Yeah. Do you want me to leave you a copy
[00:45:54] of it just a better understanding? Okay.
[00:45:56] I'm going to make a copy of it and I'll
[00:45:58] leave it in the planning board though.
[00:45:59] >> Okay. Good. Thank you.
[00:46:01] >> Last last item of new business is uh to
[00:46:04] vote and sign the May 2nd, 2026 election
[00:46:09] warrant.
[00:46:10] >> Mr. Chair, the recommendation of the
[00:46:12] town clerk is that polls should be open
[00:46:14] from 10 to 6:00 on May 2nd. Um we have
[00:46:17] two contested races um board of health
[00:46:21] and select board. Um so at your pleasure
[00:46:24] if you vote um I do have the warrant
[00:46:27] available for you to sign tonight.
[00:46:30] >> I make a motion that we sign the uh May
[00:46:32] 2nd election warrant.
[00:46:35] Second.
[00:46:40] All
[00:46:40] >> in favor.
[00:46:49] >> We just second it. So I don't need to
[00:46:52] talk over.
[00:46:55] >> Okay.
[00:46:55] >> Thank you.
[00:46:59] >> I can't make a move.
[00:47:04] Those
[00:47:23] are their comments.
[00:47:29] Okay.
[00:47:34] minutes.
[00:47:37] >> So I just so the board is aware I put
[00:47:39] them in order not necessarily as of
[00:47:42] received but just in order in terms of
[00:47:43] date uh with regular session first and
[00:47:46] executive second. So just nowhere.
[00:47:54] >> Uh the
[00:47:57] executive session minutes are
[00:48:01] pretty much all
[00:48:04] um contracts,
[00:48:07] Ziko,
[00:48:09] page building stuff and we can deal with
[00:48:12] that because that's all complete. Uh the
[00:48:15] um workplace complaint is it's
[00:48:19] >> not typed up yet anyway.
[00:48:21] >> Town council suggested but we can't drag
[00:48:23] that out uh into the daylight yet. I
[00:48:26] will double check that and get it in.
[00:48:29] >> Okay. I I I have it on my computer, but
[00:48:33] I haven't finished typing the minutes
[00:48:35] out anyway.
[00:48:37] >> That would be only you and me anyway.
[00:48:42] >> All right. July 14th,
[00:48:46] >> 2025
[00:48:48] taking this printed few minutes.
[00:48:49] >> Yeah, just real quick on the executive
[00:48:51] session part of it. Um,
[00:48:55] you know, on some of the stuff, we
[00:48:57] should be meeting in the executive
[00:48:58] session to go over these meeting minutes
[00:49:00] and approve them and decide what whether
[00:49:03] we're going to make them public or not.
[00:49:05] >> You want to do that?
[00:49:05] >> Because because if they're confidential,
[00:49:08] we haven't we haven't done a vote to
[00:49:10] this board to release them,
[00:49:12] >> right? or approval. Well, I checked
[00:49:15] today and it's
[00:49:18] some of the stuff we can't do that with,
[00:49:20] but the other is done.
[00:49:23] >> Okay.
[00:49:23] >> And out in the open.
[00:49:25] >> So, we can proceed, but
[00:49:26] >> Okay.
[00:49:27] >> We can also hold off if you want.
[00:49:29] >> No, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just
[00:49:31] bringing it to your attention, Mr.
[00:49:33] Chair. That's all that you know on some
[00:49:35] of these that are still confidential we
[00:49:37] should have an executive session to
[00:49:38] discuss and approve the meeting minutes
[00:49:40] whether they remain confidential you
[00:49:42] know what I mean
[00:49:43] >> and the only ones that are confidential
[00:49:45] are as far as I know uh the ones about
[00:49:49] the workplace complaint the rest of it
[00:49:52] is I mean the Ziko stuff that's up and
[00:49:56] out and done okay so it's not it's not
[00:50:00] really confidential the other is to
[00:50:02] protect private I see. So,
[00:50:04] >> so you can approve executive session
[00:50:06] meeting minutes in open session. If
[00:50:08] there was something that you wanted the
[00:50:09] executive session for, you just have to
[00:50:10] let me know. But the ones that are
[00:50:12] provided in tonight's um tonight's
[00:50:15] meeting can be approved and open.
[00:50:17] >> Yes.
[00:50:20] >> All right. Well,
[00:50:22] >> you want to start us off?
[00:50:24] >> Sure.
[00:50:28] Um July 14th, 2025,
[00:50:32] New Branchry Town Hall.
[00:50:35] I reviewed it. I have no issues with it.
[00:50:38] You, sir,
[00:50:39] >> I reviewed it as well. I have no issues
[00:50:42] with it. I'll make a motion to approve
[00:50:45] meeting minutes for July 14th, 2025.
[00:50:49] >> I'll second a motion. All in favor? I I
[00:50:59] October 1st.
[00:51:00] >> October 1st.
[00:51:04] Let's see.
[00:51:05] As well,
[00:51:08] I don't have any issues with that, sir.
[00:51:11] Neither do I. I'll make a motion we
[00:51:13] approve October 1st, 2025 meeting
[00:51:16] minutes.
[00:51:17] >> Seconded.
[00:51:18] >> October 1st.
[00:51:20] >> Yes.
[00:51:22] All in favor?
[00:51:23] >> I I
[00:51:25] Okay. October 27th, 2025. So, this is I
[00:51:30] do have issue with this. Um, doesn't
[00:51:34] include the executive session, the roll
[00:51:36] call vote, any record of us going into
[00:51:39] executive session in the record.
[00:51:42] >> It also has numerous misspellings,
[00:51:46] >> right? Yeah, we should probably table it
[00:51:48] and then make the corrections and
[00:51:50] >> I'll agree to that.
[00:51:52] >> Okay. So, we'll table October 27th.
[00:51:59] Um December 16th.
[00:52:04] Excuse me one second. Just find it. Um
[00:52:08] that one we just have to amend because
[00:52:12] that one that it's a new brain tree.
[00:52:15] Yeah,
[00:52:15] >> Jeff, you were not at that meeting.
[00:52:18] >> You are correct.
[00:52:19] >> Right. So, you were listed and you
[00:52:22] actually did a motion in that meeting.
[00:52:24] So, I amend like I recommend we amend.
[00:52:27] Strike Jeff is absent. And
[00:52:31] I believe I made the motion. You second
[00:52:33] the motion, Mr. B.
[00:52:35] >> So, if we make the amendment, we approve
[00:52:38] it.
[00:52:38] >> Okay.
[00:52:39] >> That one was completely me and that's my
[00:52:40] fault. Okay.
[00:52:42] >> I move that. No, I can't.
[00:52:45] >> So, okay. I move that we approve
[00:52:48] December 16th, 2025 meeting minutes as
[00:52:51] amended.
[00:52:52] >> Yes.
[00:52:52] >> Second.
[00:52:54] >> I can't
[00:52:57] f
[00:52:59] >> Okay,
[00:53:00] >> that one was on me.
[00:53:02] >> Okay, so January 28, 2026.
[00:53:06] Um, no similar thing. We should table
[00:53:09] this because there's no executive
[00:53:11] session roll call vote um attendance
[00:53:14] >> spellings and
[00:53:15] >> grammar so yeah
[00:53:18] >> so what are we going to do with these?
[00:53:19] We're going to put them into a executive
[00:53:21] session meeting and go over whatever we
[00:53:24] can't
[00:53:26] digest.
[00:53:27] >> No, I'm just saying in the in the
[00:53:29] meeting minute record itself,
[00:53:30] >> right,
[00:53:31] >> didn't list the role called vote to go
[00:53:33] into executive session. It's not the
[00:53:35] executive session. It's the public
[00:53:36] record,
[00:53:37] >> right? So we just have to add that item.
[00:53:39] >> Yes.
[00:53:40] >> And then we have numerous I was noticing
[00:53:44] >> I looked at both these last two tables
[00:53:47] meeting minutes and there are numerous
[00:53:49] misspellings, grammatical errors.
[00:53:52] >> Yeah.
[00:53:53] >> Uh yeah, I I'd love to have the
[00:53:56] opportunity to go through and redline
[00:53:58] them as I'm sure Bill does and
[00:54:00] >> Okay.
[00:54:01] >> So we table it to the next meeting, make
[00:54:03] the changes and approve it. May 28th.
[00:54:06] Yes.
[00:54:09] >> Okay. February 18th.
[00:54:11] >> February 18th.
[00:54:16] I went through it
[00:54:22] before I did not get
[00:54:37] still the spelling errors in this one
[00:54:39] too.
[00:54:39] >> Yeah, it's just and and also I mean like
[00:54:43] um yeah like Jeffrey Schmidt Jeffrey
[00:54:46] Smith
[00:54:47] >> um stuff like that
[00:54:49] >> scheme is also
[00:54:50] >> Yeah. Yeah, that's hacked pretty good.
[00:54:53] >> All right,
[00:54:54] >> we should table it.
[00:54:56] >> All right, table make changes and then
[00:54:58] approve it. Um, and we probably just
[00:55:00] have to add a couple like if if we want
[00:55:03] deep I don't know how detailed we want
[00:55:05] to be, but who made the motion and a
[00:55:07] vote.
[00:55:08] >> That's all we really need,
[00:55:09] >> right?
[00:55:10] >> And what the motion was.
[00:55:12] >> Yeah. We just got to add that in here
[00:55:13] and there on on February 18th, 2026.
[00:55:19] >> So, we'll table that.
[00:55:23] March 4th, I'm okay with. I have no
[00:55:25] issues unless somebody else does.
[00:55:33] All right. Um,
[00:55:36] >> I have no issues with it as well. I'll
[00:55:40] move to approve the meeting minutes for
[00:55:42] March 4th, 2026.
[00:55:46] >> Second.
[00:55:49] All
[00:55:49] >> in favor?
[00:55:50] >> I
[00:55:56] >> March 9th.
[00:55:58] don't have any issues.
[00:56:00] >> Same here. Uh move to uh approve meeting
[00:56:03] minutes for March 9th, 2026.
[00:56:07] >> Second.
[00:56:09] In favor?
[00:56:10] >> I I
[00:56:11] >> So after tonight, I will go and I'll
[00:56:13] update the list to see where we are and
[00:56:15] I'll send the board an update if what's
[00:56:17] still outstanding.
[00:56:18] >> Okay.
[00:56:20] >> I was waiting to see what was approved
[00:56:21] tonight before I went ahead and did
[00:56:23] that. Yeah, that's good.
[00:56:24] >> And we're not doing the executive
[00:56:28] session minutes or are we?
[00:56:32] >> You think you're comfortable with them?
[00:56:35] >> I'm comfortable with them. I typed them
[00:56:37] up.
[00:56:42] >> Would you like to make a motion?
[00:56:43] >> I'm going to let Bill look at it first.
[00:56:46] I don't want to presume he's got no
[00:56:49] issues with them.
[00:56:53] Some of them are short and sweet.
[00:56:56] >> Well, like June 9th, I recuse myself.
[00:56:58] So, you guys
[00:56:58] >> Oh, yeah. All right.
[00:57:00] >> So, that's between the two.
[00:57:01] >> I'll make a motion to approve the uh
[00:57:04] executive session meeting meeting
[00:57:06] minutes for June 9th, 2025.
[00:57:08] >> I'll second it. All in favor?
[00:57:11] >> I.
[00:57:11] >> And you're abstaining?
[00:57:12] >> Yes.
[00:57:18] >> Now, October 14th. Yep. I don't have any
[00:57:22] issues with it.
[00:57:24] >> We'll move to approve the executive
[00:57:28] session meeting minutes for October 20
[00:57:30] 14th, 2025.
[00:57:32] >> Second.
[00:57:34] All
[00:57:34] >> in favor?
[00:57:35] >> I
[00:57:41] October 27th, 2025.
[00:57:46] >> Anything, Bill?
[00:57:47] >> Um,
[00:57:49] yeah.
[00:57:50] >> Okay. There was there was um
[00:57:54] so it says, you know, I made the thing
[00:57:56] that I recommended that the contract was
[00:57:58] invalid.
[00:58:00] Well, we needed us to amend and add
[00:58:02] because there was no public vote made by
[00:58:05] the select board. That was my statement.
[00:58:09] Sound red.
[00:58:12] All right. No public vote.
[00:58:14] >> Yeah.
[00:58:17] >> Where is it?
[00:58:19] It's It says William Tinker states the
[00:58:21] contract is invalid and the select board
[00:58:23] did not vote to sign the contract.
[00:58:26] >> Well, right. We did not We did not do a
[00:58:28] public vote.
[00:58:31] >> Did not have
[00:58:32] >> Well, have a public vote.
[00:58:33] >> Did not have
[00:58:36] >> I make that amendment.
[00:58:37] >> I can make that amendment before I post
[00:58:39] them.
[00:58:39] >> And I'm I'm just writing it down here.
[00:58:42] >> I'll make a motion to approve October
[00:58:44] 27th executive session
[00:58:46] >> as amended. as amended.
[00:58:48] >> Second.
[00:58:48] >> I'll second.
[00:58:49] >> Okay. All in favor?
[00:58:51] >> I
[00:58:58] November
[00:58:58] >> November.
[00:59:00] >> November 10th,
[00:59:02] 2025.
[00:59:08] >> And and I just make the same amendment.
[00:59:10] There was my statement was there was no
[00:59:13] public vote on the board. That's all.
[00:59:15] >> Okay.
[00:59:17] It's the same thing. Yeah, because I
[00:59:18] just copied it right over. It was the
[00:59:20] same thing.
[00:59:23] >> So, I'll make a motion to approve
[00:59:25] November 10th, 2025
[00:59:27] uh with that amendment.
[00:59:29] >> I'll second. All
[00:59:31] >> in favor?
[00:59:32] >> I
[00:59:33] >> I recruiting.
[00:59:35] >> Yeah, we are.
[00:59:36] >> This is This is not as painful as I
[00:59:38] thought it would be.
[00:59:40] >> Maybe. Don't you?
[00:59:42] >> Yeah.
[00:59:43] >> November 24th. November 24th, 2025.
[00:59:48] Let's see. Bill Tinker was not at this
[00:59:51] one.
[00:59:52] >> Right. I was not at this and I don't see
[00:59:54] um I don't know if the the public one,
[00:59:56] but I I recuse myself.
[00:59:58] >> You recused yourself?
[00:59:59] >> Yes.
[01:00:00] >> But uh our Zoom meeting was cancelled
[01:00:02] anyway.
[01:00:03] >> And there's also another executive
[01:00:06] session for that same date, November
[01:00:07] 2024.
[01:00:09] >> Yes, there is. I I have that on my
[01:00:11] computer at home. It's not part of
[01:00:14] >> what I've submitted yet.
[01:00:16] >> Okay.
[01:00:16] >> Because that is the personnel issue.
[01:00:20] >> Okay.
[01:00:21] >> But for the other the 24th is
[01:00:25] >> Yeah. This is the one at 6:05 or 6:00
[01:00:28] was when it was supposed to start. So,
[01:00:30] I'll make a motion to uh approve the
[01:00:33] November 2024
[01:00:36] uh meeting minute executive session
[01:00:39] meeting minutes
[01:00:41] uh for the 6:00 executive session.
[01:00:45] >> I'll second it. All
[01:00:47] >> in favor?
[01:00:48] >> I
[01:00:54] see the wind report. Would you like to
[01:00:59] um do your report?
[01:01:00] >> I'd love to. Thank you. Um so I've been
[01:01:05] meeting with Mark Corzac from the
[01:01:07] finance committee on the FY27 budget.
[01:01:09] Really getting the hoping to get the
[01:01:11] finance committee a really good grasp on
[01:01:13] where we are with our debt and how where
[01:01:15] we were and how we got here and what
[01:01:17] we're doing now. And u I think it's been
[01:01:20] really helpful um especially going into
[01:01:22] those joint meetings. So I have another
[01:01:23] meeting with him tomorrow.
[01:01:26] Um we had two public records appeals and
[01:01:28] one new public records request. Met with
[01:01:31] um the highway superintendent and Harry
[01:01:33] Cmerford today on the excess gravel near
[01:01:35] Roach Field. So for your next meeting um
[01:01:39] there's going to be an item to for the
[01:01:41] board to declare that gravel surplus so
[01:01:43] we can start the next process um which
[01:01:46] is um getting money for our excess
[01:01:49] gravel. So um look for that on your next
[01:01:51] agenda.
[01:01:53] had a call with Central Mass Regional
[01:01:54] Planning Commission um and Chairman
[01:01:57] Wallheim on the MVP grant project of the
[01:02:00] town of Harston. So, we got two bids
[01:02:03] back for the project and right now we
[01:02:06] are in the process of uh doing the
[01:02:07] evaluation for which one we're going to
[01:02:09] go with.
[01:02:11] Uh met with the police chief, the fire
[01:02:12] chief and fire chief from New Brainree
[01:02:14] regarding the regionalization
[01:02:15] possibility uh with the fire departments
[01:02:17] between the two communities. Um, so
[01:02:20] everything will be prepared for your
[01:02:21] next joint meeting which is next
[01:02:22] Thursday at six o'clock.
[01:02:25] >> Yeah.
[01:02:26] >> Yes.
[01:02:28] >> Um, met with Barry on the senior center
[01:02:30] regional agreement and shocker. I
[01:02:32] actually um invited chair uh Sman Tanker
[01:02:36] because I really wanted a member from
[01:02:38] the board present because I feel like
[01:02:40] every time I walk into a meeting with
[01:02:42] Barry, it gets very contentious around
[01:02:44] money. So, I really wanted a member of
[01:02:45] the select board there um because that's
[01:02:48] ultimately going to come up before the
[01:02:49] board. So, it just made sense to have
[01:02:52] everyone
[01:02:53] um be informed that way. We are
[01:02:56] advertising for a wastewater treatment
[01:02:57] plant operator, a highway equipment
[01:02:59] operator, and a van driver. We had one
[01:03:01] of our highway employees quit the other
[01:03:03] day. So, we are not just under staff, we
[01:03:06] are under staff now twice. Um we held
[01:03:09] our annual mandatory department head
[01:03:11] training. This year's training was on
[01:03:13] prioritizing and managing a
[01:03:15] multigenerational workplace. We had our
[01:03:17] insurance company, Maya, come in and do
[01:03:18] the training.
[01:03:20] Um, all the department heads were there
[01:03:22] and assistant department heads. It was a
[01:03:23] really good turnout and I think um, for
[01:03:25] the most part, everyone really enjoyed
[01:03:26] it.
[01:03:28] I attended the Massachusetts Municipal
[01:03:30] Managers Association conference on risk
[01:03:32] management for town managers,
[01:03:33] administrators, and navigating personnel
[01:03:36] problems and legal landmines.
[01:03:38] Um, just a fun little tidbit, I've been
[01:03:42] elected for the fourth year in a row to
[01:03:43] the Massachusetts Education and
[01:03:44] Government Association. Uh, we
[01:03:46] specialize in workers comp for
[01:03:48] municipalities and school districts. Um,
[01:03:50] so I've been elected for the fourth
[01:03:51] time. Um, I attended a quab watershed
[01:03:54] meeting.
[01:03:56] Um, for recognition, I want to recognize
[01:03:59] three of our firefighters that graduated
[01:04:00] the fire academy.
[01:04:02] Firefighter Christian Lul, firefighter
[01:04:05] Kevin Thompson, and Joel Ek. and
[01:04:08] firefighter Thompson also received the
[01:04:10] outstanding student award.
[01:04:12] >> Excellent.
[01:04:13] >> Yeah, he's a friend friend of my sons.
[01:04:16] >> Good job.
[01:04:18] >> Um, important dates. Representative
[01:04:20] Bertham and Senator Durant are holding
[01:04:21] their April office hours here on April
[01:04:24] 7th from 10 to 11 and our
[01:04:30] annual town election is May 2nd. So
[01:04:33] that's what I have tonight. Mr. Mr.
[01:04:34] Chair, question.
[01:04:36] >> Yes, sir.
[01:04:37] >> I didn't hear anything in the town
[01:04:38] administrator's report regarding the
[01:04:40] town accountant passing or not passing
[01:04:42] the test that she was taking that was
[01:04:44] talked about in the last meeting.
[01:04:45] >> She doesn't know. I don't know. I wasn't
[01:04:47] I haven't seen her. I was at my
[01:04:49] conference last week. I was
[01:04:50] >> hoping for an update. Okay.
[01:04:52] >> Thank you.
[01:04:55] >> Round table.
[01:04:57] >> I have nothing at the moment.
[01:05:03] >> Round table.
[01:05:04] Um, for the most part this week I I'm
[01:05:07] not going to really mention anything.
[01:05:08] Um, I'll mention that at the next
[01:05:10] meeting once I have some answers on some
[01:05:12] stuff. That's all. Okay. The uh grant up
[01:05:18] at the old town hall is uh uh hurting.
[01:05:23] Uh we couldn't get any bids.
[01:05:26] Um we didn't get any interest. Well, we
[01:05:30] did a walk through.
[01:05:32] Um, the first time,
[01:05:35] not very many people showed. Second time
[01:05:38] we had five or six contractors running
[01:05:42] around. And, uh, and this last week we
[01:05:47] had another walkth through and nobody
[01:05:49] showed at all. So, um, DBPC is breaking
[01:05:53] it up,
[01:05:54] uh, and trying to contact people who
[01:05:58] asked for plans,
[01:06:01] >> but it's not looking too wonderful.
[01:06:07] >> Do you have a feel for why it's
[01:06:11] >> I don't
[01:06:14] I'm not really familiar with the scope
[01:06:16] of work or what you're trying to do up
[01:06:18] there. Okay. gutters. Uh originally
[01:06:22] rebuilding windows,
[01:06:25] storm windows, gutters.
[01:06:28] The front
[01:06:30] where the stone the portico
[01:06:33] is uh years some years ago it was dug
[01:06:37] out for an inspection by some
[01:06:41] architectural
[01:06:42] historical something
[01:06:45] and they took out clay and they replaced
[01:06:48] it with sand. So now it at that portico
[01:06:53] the stones that are laid there
[01:06:56] the water just goes right in goes down
[01:06:58] into the cell.
[01:06:59] >> So the scope didn't include that. It
[01:07:04] included patching the stones at the
[01:07:08] surface level with you know cement.
[01:07:11] >> Yep.
[01:07:12] >> So that's pretty much it. Paint the port
[01:07:16] the cupula. Okay. So, my thinking, and
[01:07:20] it's just an idea or a thought, you
[01:07:22] know, is can we use some of this grant
[01:07:25] money and offer employees in this town
[01:07:28] to say do the gutters and pay them time
[01:07:30] and a half, but do a Friday, do a
[01:07:33] Saturday. We bring in a gutter guide and
[01:07:35] make the gutter right on site and they
[01:07:37] hang it with a box truck.
[01:07:38] >> It's an excellent idea.
[01:07:41] No, we'll find out.
[01:07:42] >> Okay.
[01:07:48] And then you know other areas like you
[01:07:50] know you mentioned the sand like dig out
[01:07:51] the sand fill it with clay
[01:07:55] >> you know
[01:07:55] >> that would be pay all these people time
[01:07:58] and a half you know I mean basically
[01:08:00] we'd be asking Marty and his guys if
[01:08:03] that would something they want to do but
[01:08:04] we and we could put it out to the water
[01:08:06] guys as well. I mean, any employee
[01:08:08] that's filing will do some
[01:08:10] >> better tradesmen in in town, they're
[01:08:13] largely busy, but the grant expires in
[01:08:17] August. So,
[01:08:18] >> right. So, the more more we can do,
[01:08:20] >> it's just a suggestion.
[01:08:21] >> No, I'll check with with the uh
[01:08:24] controllers.
[01:08:25] >> Okay.
[01:08:30] >> Anybody else?
[01:08:32] >> If I may, Mr. Yeah, the uh I just want
[01:08:35] to learn what kind of went wrong in this
[01:08:37] process so we can maybe avoid it next
[01:08:39] time. Would it be fair to say that the
[01:08:44] original scope of work that was bid with
[01:08:46] PBPC was
[01:08:49] >> was um
[01:08:50] >> too large,
[01:08:51] >> too expensive. I mean, we we were not
[01:08:53] really going to get something that came
[01:08:54] in at $95,000 or less. And then you're
[01:08:58] we're unable or the PBPC is unable to
[01:09:01] like at that time adjust it and say,
[01:09:04] "Well, how about you just do half of the
[01:09:06] work for for half of the money that you
[01:09:08] that you bid." I mean,
[01:09:09] >> well, that was tried. They chopped it up
[01:09:11] >> and they can't and that doesn't work,
[01:09:13] right? So, you can't
[01:09:15] >> parcel it up or
[01:09:16] >> Yeah, they they broke it down and it
[01:09:18] would have been possible this last time
[01:09:22] to do pieces of it, but not. So,
[01:09:27] and I wasn't involved in the original
[01:09:31] scope of work or the clay sand thing
[01:09:35] would have kind of a fixed cuz that's
[01:09:38] probably the easiest thing to part.
[01:09:41] But, yep. So, hoping for a fix and I'll
[01:09:45] check that out. Try to get some room for
[01:09:49] local tradesmen. Okay.
[01:09:54] >> Anything else, Mr. Chairman
[01:09:56] >> looking for a motion to adjurnn.
[01:09:58] >> So moved.
[01:10:00] >> Second. All in
[01:10:01] >> favor. All right.
